GDT: USA-Belarus, 7:30 p.m Local Time

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This game was very embarrassing. First, we had to listen to these god awful announcers. They didn't give the Belarus goalie any credit for some of the key saves he made early on to keep the US off the board.

They were right to start Schnyder and give Al a rest. Al had not been steady the first two games and they probably wanted to give him a night off to compose himself for the Czechs.

That being said, Schnyder gave up two bad goals of the three he allowed. I will give him a pass on the first cause it was a horrid giveaway and a shorthanded goal. But his positioning stunk on it.

The other two, ugh. One bounced thru the wickets and the other was a flat wraparound right thru the five-hole.


Part of the problem for Schnyder was the same thing Montoya has experienced. Awful defensive coverage down low. They just let the Belarussians walk out with the puck and do whatever they wanted.

This is how it was the majority of the game. Whenever Belarus attacked, the D just stood around and watched making life more difficult on the goalies. I don't care if you're Patrick Roy or Martin Brodeur. They wouldn't have had much success with this D.

And it's been brutal every game. From that aspect, it wasn't a surprise that Belarus kicked their asses. They came out with zero emotion and took them lightly. One team was much hungrier and showed it. The other thought they could just coast.

Montoya gave up that awful goal. It was very Francis-like. I seem to remember Richter recovering from that quite well. That's why I am not going to kill Al here. He's had a rough go of it.

But the 2nd goal he gave up was a direct result of Suter making a brilliant pass right to Kosititsyn. He walked in and beat Al stickside.

When they did finally show up in the 3rd, it was too late. The damage had already been done.

To his credit, Montoya played much better and gave his team a chance to comeback. He did have a couple of adventures coming out to play the puck though. That needs work.

So, who showed up tonight?

Kessel, Stafford, Fritsche and O'Sullivan. I also thought Callahan worked hard as usual when he was out there.

It's just not enough though. Kessel btw is terrific. Anyone who puts him down is kidding themselves. Nobody here is comparing him to Crosby. But I have to say he's one of the most impressive players I've seen. Great wheels and awesome moves. Good shot too and excellent offensive instincts.


What I can't figure out is what the hell the coach is doing in between these games. The U.S. had the most favorable schedule. A day off between the 2nd and 3rd games.

Why hasn't their defensive zone coverage improved? And they play a run-and-gun style. That usually results in a lot of shots and scoring chances against. Well, hello. They have been outshot in every game thus far. And it was even worse tonight against what was supposed to be an inferior opponent.

Game 1- 34 shots, 30 saves Montoya vs Russia
Game 2- 35 shots, 31 saves Montoya vs Switzerland
Game 3- 43 shots, 38 saves Schnyder and Montoya vs Belarus

That's ridiculous. Each opponent was a level down and the SOG went up along with the scoring chances.

I don't care how brutal both guys have been. The coach is not getting through to his players. Solid two-way hockey is what wins. Someone forgot to tell them.


One other point that's been lost on most- No Stuart. No Potter. No Wisniewski. They all had huge roles on last year's D and that unit was much steadier.


Big difference.


I'm not sure what to expect against the Czechs tonight. They are explosive and have Olesz and Vrana and that other hot prospect. If the U.S. doesn't respond, they could get blown out of the building.

They deserved to lose tonight and being embarrassed might actually wake them up.


Congrats to Belarus. They played great and deserved the victory. Kositisyn was terrific.
 
HabLover said:
Typical, blame it on the coach! :handclap:

Too bad he couldn't get out on the ice and actually show them how to play! :dunce:

Why not .. Had Robbie Earl been selected this situation would never have happened.. They needed a Zach Parise replacement and that was Earl :D
 
How about that hit on Fritsche. Don't remember who it was. The Belarus players had some grit tonight, and a few big hits were thrown.
 
Reading the remarks from people during gametime... Ha, loved it! Underdogs kick ass... Sorry for the bad loss to the US but it was great to see Belarus win one.
 
My take:

1)I'll give the majority of the blame to the US defensemen :deadhorse (with the exception of Hagemo) for this loss. They couldn't clear their own zone and they couldn't keep it in the opposition's zone. There was almost no offensive production from the point, and way too many bone headed cross ice passes by our blueliners, as well.

2)Kessell was very good, as was Fritsche, but the rest of the US forwards seemed to play way too much on the perimeter. They didn't crash the net and they didn't cycle. Also, they passed way too much and they didn't shoot enough.

3)Robbie Schremp IS getting screwed. We needed GOALS, yet Schremp sits while guys like Porter, Weller, and Dowell play? What's the deal there? :dunno:

My prediction:

US plays angry the rest of the tournement, and makes the finals. :)
 
I would agree with 'In Richards we trust'.......this game was an abberation and for Canadian fans to prematurely write of the US is idiocy of the highest rank........Canada themselves has not yet faced a decent team so let's wait and see when they have to face the Russians or Americans how well they fare.....

These 3 teams are fairly close.....writing anyone of them off at this point is so lame!!
 
which us defenseman gave that sweet pass to Kostitsyn for Andrei's goal?

was it Stuart?
 
Kastitsyn has plenty of offensive talent but I was surprised at how strong he is.

We haven't really had a SUPERstar foward since Guy Lafleur. I really hope he is our next one because it has been a long wait.
 
hahaha, i can't believe my 4-3 Belarus win prediction turned out to be almost right, but a Belarus vicotory, wow, how sweet :lol:

Sorry for American fans though ...
 
Devonator said:
I would agree with 'In Richards we trust'.......this game was an abberation and for Canadian fans to prematurely write of the US is idiocy of the highest rank........Canada themselves has not yet faced a decent team so let's wait and see when they have to face the Russians or Americans how well they fare.....

These 3 teams are fairly close.....writing anyone of them off at this point is so lame!!
You are absolutely right! BUT, Belarus is hardly a decent team, and neither is Switzerland, and the US had major problems with both. Having said that, the US still has every opportunity to win this tournament. The problem is they now are, or should be second guessing themselves in the dressing room and on the ice. This game is just as much mental as physical, and after that disgusting display, in front of the home town fans last night, they have hurt their chances to repeat. They can still end up first in the pool if they beat the Czechs today, but the whole dynamic has now changed. The Czechs were playing for 3rd in the pool, now they can make a run at 2nd. No team under the current format has won the gold having to play three elimination games. That is to say, if you don't end up first in your pool, the chips are stacked against you to win! Had the Americans come out and atleast shown Belarus enough respect to string a few passes together than they could have popped a few goals in, and that may have afforded them the luxury of resting some of their workhorses, as the game might have been in hand. I know there will be a bunch of posters on these boards trying to pin this loss on Schneider, and it's true he couldn't stop a beachball, but that US team was in LA-LA land before they ever dropped the puck. The coach did well to get Schneider in, as you want your goaltender to be sharp if called upon, unfortunately neither he nor Montoya are playing up to snuff. Coming into the tourney, it was said that the Americans didn't have as good a team returning, but they had the goaltending to get them through...Guess not!
 
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Smart Alek said:
That's fine, Vlad... you're still one of my favourite posters. (By the way, my implied arrogance is only employed to engender responses.)

Though I do believe you're wrong on this. I've watched the game twice now, and a number of the Belarusians played far above their typical games today. In essence, everything fell into place for them... and because of that, they looked great... and dominant.

Could the Americans have played better? Sure... but who cares? They weren't atrocious... just surprised.
I disagree! I can understand being surprised by Belarus scoring early, but what I saw last night was a team that hung out their already troubled goaltenders out to dry. Schneider should have made those saves, but the team should have been able to score 6 or 7 goals on Belarus aswell. Montoya has yet to play a strong game. The 10 goals he has allowed thus far have been for the most part very weak. Nobody really cares because they won against Russia and the Swiss, but he has looked awful, and last night his mates couldn't score. So what do you get when you have terrible goaltending, mixed with the inability to score goals...A LOSS! At the hands of BELARUS! I do not want to take anything away from what Belarus was able to do last night, because it was anything but a fluke. I stated earlier, that one goal or maybe two goals were a fluke, but five? And they pressured the US, they had them pinned in their own zone for shifts at a time. There is absolutely no excuse any fan of the US could make for what I witnessed last night. No No, you are not getting away with chalking it up to "Belarus played over their heads and the US were surprised". The US got beat on every square inch of that ice, and they know it. So it's important that you do too!
 
rt said:
My take:

1)I'll give the majority of the blame to the US defensemen :deadhorse (with the exception of Hagemo) for this loss. They couldn't clear their own zone and they couldn't keep it in the opposition's zone. There was almost no offensive production from the point, and way too many bone headed cross ice passes by our blueliners, as well.

2)Kessell was very good, as was Fritsche, but the rest of the US forwards seemed to play way too much on the perimeter. They didn't crash the net and they didn't cycle. Also, they passed way too much and they didn't shoot enough.

3)Robbie Schremp IS getting screwed. We needed GOALS, yet Schremp sits while guys like Porter, Weller, and Dowell play? What's the deal there? :dunno:

My prediction:

US plays angry the rest of the tournement, and makes the finals. :)
Whatever helps you sleep at night!
 
AgentNaslund said:
Give the Canadians a rematch against USA last season, and IM sure they will smoke em. Enough of this What if's.


Now hold on. Don't be so sure about that. How quickly everyone forgets that the USA was the favorites to win Gold last year. Maybe if you replay the 3rd period it ends differently but no way Canada was going to smoke the USA. The Canadians played just as well in that game as the Americans and the only reason they lost was because Marc-Andre Fleury lost it in the 3rd period. But to say that the Canadians would smoke the Americans if that game was played again is completely ludacrous.



On the other hand, I'm wondering that Slava Fetisov is thinking right now. Belarus did something Russia could not.
 
jtuzzi21 said:
How about that hit on Fritsche. Don't remember who it was. The Belarus players had some grit tonight, and a few big hits were thrown.

It was Siarhei Kolasau. He's a draft pick of the Red Wings. He was supposed to play in Prince George of the WHL but had visa problems or something. Sucks I missed this game.
 
The Albino said:
Who would have thought the Belarus-USA thread would have gotten 500 posts...
US loss = lots of gloating, so I figured this would be busy. If they had won there would be 50 posts max.

Just be glad they got this stinker out of the way in the round robin.
That's about the best thing you can say about it, better now than later. It had better serve as a wake up call.
 
Coffey77 said:
It was Siarhei Kolasau. He's a draft pick of the Red Wings. He was supposed to play in Prince George of the WHL but had visa problems or something. Sucks I missed this game.

Well he played a very good game, IMO, was Belarus best d-men...as for all the Kostitsyn hyping from Habs fans on this thread, are you really surprised, most on this board are always talking about how he's a bust and he's overrated and blah, blah, blah...so it was a chance to show you what we've been saying since he was drafted, i'm not going to say he's the next big thing, but I hope some misconceptions about him have been cleared, and people can start saying he's a legitimate top prospect and stop saying he's a bust..either way, good win for Belarus, US can rebound, but you have to wonder about the goalies
 
The Old Master said:
better to have a bad game now, than later. :)

The Americans played okay against the Russians (5-4 win), played bad against the Swiss but luckily still managed to win (6-4), and played horrible against the Belarussians (5-3 loss). I agree that it is better to get all bad games out before the medal rounds... but shouldn't teams atleast play ONE GOOD game before heading into the elimination rounds?
 
Well, I hope this is a wake-up call for the team. I think they got a little cocky after beating Russia and Switzerland. This will show them they cannot take any team for granted. There were far too many cross ice passes right to Belarus, defensive turnovers, and horrible goaltending. At least it doesn't mean the end of the tournament for us, and now we MUST beat the Czechs!
 
CloudNine said:
The Americans played okay against the Russians (5-4 win), played bad against the Swiss but luckily still managed to win (6-4), and played horrible against the Belarussians (5-3 loss). I agree that it is better to get all bad games out before the medal rounds... but shouldn't teams atleast play ONE GOOD game before heading into the elimination rounds?


You're absolutely right. At least the U.S. has that chance against the Czechs tonight. If they can somwhow pull this game out, the fortunes of the team will improve drastically, at least when it comes to getting a medal. One game at a time though.
 
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