GDT: Slovakia vs. USA, Feb. 18, 8.00 PM Torino, 2.00 PM EST

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NYR2 said:
What about Cole?

Very decent.. I think his line (Rolston - Modano - Cole) was the best one.. Cole wasn't very accurate in the few chances he got though, but he was scrappy and skated hard.
 
GPF said:
Exactly !!!!

but a good game by Team USA .. remember game 1!!! this was a good effort .. but somebody has to start to score ...


agreed, we need to be averaging more than 2.6 goals/game

i agree that Drury/Modano need to be seeing more ice time as well
 
If the US could hit the net they would have had like 50 shots. Seriously, what the hell is going on with our finishing? I mean at least hit the net a couple times!
 
Fan-of-#9 said:
The US is not going to win many games if they are relying on Gomez and Gionta double shifting, they are good players, but they cannot carry a team in this type of tournament.

True, but they were coming off two great games so it's understandable. Just don't think they should get the icetime with so much talent behind them.

Guerin and Tkachuk were dissapointing I thought. Guerin moreso than Tkachuk..
 
btn said:
Cole is an above average true power forward, and there are not that many of those around these days. He looked fine for Carolina in their playoff run before Staal got there.

9 points in 23 games? I guess that's "fine" but I want more than "fine" from my Olympic team.

Even if he is an above average power forward (I think he is a glorified 3rd winger and his career stats before Staal back this up), he was getting ice time like a Hall of Famer.
 
Fan-of-#9 said:
Too much Gomez and Gionta IMO for the US. Modano was flying today and should have gotten more shifts. (From what I saw)


Well, since Gionta has 2 goals and Gomer has an assist in all three games, what should the coaching staff do? The only other player that's doing anything offensively is Rolston.
 
Ott = Snott said:
True, but they were coming off two great games so it's understandable. Just don't think they should get the icetime with so much talent behind them.

Guerin and Tkachuk were dissapointing I thought. Guerin moreso than Tkachuk..

Agreed. The US would be best playing a team game, rolling 4 lines pretty evenly.
 
Why are they showing it on the West coast in time-delay.

This is really stupid - unless NBC is purposefully trying to reduce the hockey ratings. Most of they hockey fans already know the score...
 
jtuzzi said:
Brian Rolston is such an underrated player.. 24 goals on the Wild is pretty damn impressive.

He didn't really created many chances though.. he just shot whatever passed his way. It worked though so I'm not complaining, his teammates need to watch and learn.
 
Laviolette needs to play with his line combos. Nothing seems to be clicking. The US needs to do a better job at getting into the slot and getting higher percentage shots.

The last powerplay they had was possibly the best I've seen this tournament for the Americans, and considering it failed to produce anything when it mattered most, that says everything. Quit playing the perimeter. The chance Drury had in the 3rd was exactly what the US needs to do more often.

I still don't have any idea why they aren't using Drury on the powerplay at all.


Getting a win tomorrow is crucial.
 
That was a real fun game to watch. Defensively responsible, yet offensive chances are there for the taken.

Bummed for Team USA, really needed a point or two there. But I thought except for the Chelios flop that led to the go-ahead goal, it was real solid. Of course it's a game of mistakes, right?
 
He has a point though, I don't get the PP lines either.

I'd probably use:

Keith Tkachuk - Mike Modano - Bill Guerin
Doug Weight - Mathiue Schneider

Brian Rolston/Erik Cole - Scott Gomez - Brian Gionta
Brian Rafalski - JM Liles
 
sabresrat said:
9 points in 23 games? I guess that's "fine" but I want more than "fine" from my Olympic team.

Even if he is an above average power forward (I think he is a glorified 3rd winger and his career stats before Staal back this up), he was getting ice time like a Hall of Famer.

Were you watching the game? If you were, you already know that Cole was a catalyst out there more than almost anyone on the team. Along with Gomez, Gionta, and Rolston, he was the only consistant threat to do something every time he hit the ice. He drew two penalties today almost single handedly. He was skating better than anybody else out there today.

Going by statistics from that playoff run is also a mistake. That playoff run where he did "fine" made him a household name and many expected him to break out that next year and be a point per game player. He totally abused Scott Stevens in the Devils series, and was responsible for breaking the armor of Jose Theodore, back when he was a wall, and allowed the Hurricanes to advance past them. It took him a little longer because he played on two ABYSMAL teams after that run, but he finally has another player to work with in Carolina and his true potential is being fullfilled. Take a look at the leading scorers from those two years in Carolina after the cup run.

Go to NHL.com and look at the goals that Cole has scored this year and continue to tell me with a straight face that he's a glorified third line player. Also show me any of those goals that were a direct result of a play by Eric Staal. I'm not saying that Staal isn't a great player, but Cole is making his own chances and finishing at even strength better than anybody in the entire league this year. He was out on the ice because he deserved to be.
 
Fan-of-#9 said:
Why would they use Drury? They have Gomez and Gionta! :sarcasm:

The Gomez-Gionta PP line is doing fine.
Put Drury on the other one to liven it up if you must.

I sure wish he could have converted in the third period off the breakaway. Talk about being bitter, it reminded me that he didn't seem to miss any of those in 2001.
 
Yellowcard said:
A little bitter are we?

How many goals does Drury have again?

Not bitter about Drury seeing little ice time. More bitter about the fact that I placed a small wager on the US today and saw Gomez and Gionta out there as if they were Jagr and Lemieux during the Pens Stanley Cup years. If I was American I'd be questioning the coaching staff's theory of relying on those 2 guys to lead me to success during this tournament.
 
I really don't see us beating Sweden or Russia, which puts our chances of reaching the middle round as not very high. I still don't understand the *******s at NBC. Tape delay the AMERICAN game to show a bunch of Norwegians and Germans doing cross country skiing? Women at that, too.
 
The US just isn't that good. A lot of the good players are getting older and their aren't many great youngsters replacing them. Chelios/Schneider/Hatcher/Weight/Modano/Tkachuk are not spring chickens anymore.
 
Caniacforever said:
Were you watching the game? If you were, you already know that Cole was a catalyst out there more than almost anyone on the team. Along with Gomez, Gionta, and Rolston, he was the only consistant threat to do something every time he hit the ice. He drew two penalties today almost single handedly. He was skating better than anybody else out there today.

Cole is one of the U.S.'s best energy players.

I keep calling him reckless. He's so manic, he seems so out of control, but he's fun to watch ... and he gets chances.

I just wanted to add, esp. since I don't make a career of praising Modano, that his line did a superb job against the Hossa-Demitra-Gaborik line at full strength. They really gave them nothin'.
 
Caniacforever said:
Were you watching the game? If you were, you already know that Cole was a catalyst out there more than almost anyone on the team. Along with Gomez, Gionta, and Rolston, he was the only consistant threat to do something every time he hit the ice. He drew two penalties today almost single handedly. He was skating better than anybody else out there today.

Going by statistics from that playoff run is also a mistake. That playoff run where he did "fine" made him a household name and many expected him to break out that next year and be a point per game player. He totally abused Scott Stevens in the Devils series, and was responsible for breaking the armor of Jose Theodore, back when he was a wall, and allowed the Hurricanes to advance past them. It took him a little longer because he played on two ABYSMAL teams after that run, but he finally has another player to work with in Carolina and his true potential is being fullfilled. Take a look at the leading scorers from those two years in Carolina after the cup run.

Go to NHL.com and look at the goals that Cole has scored this year and continue to tell me with a straight face that he's a glorified third line player. Also show me any of those goals that were a direct result of a play by Eric Staal. I'm not saying that Staal isn't a great player, but Cole is making his own chances and finishing at even strength better than anybody in the entire league this year. He was out on the ice because he deserved to be.

Ah, HF Gospel #1, if the truth hurts, claim the other person doesn't know hockey or didn't watch the game.

Cole can "catalyze" all the 1 goal games he wants, it isn't good enough. Let me know when he starts finishing and maybe I will care.

He's a great grit player, but Laviolette is using him like he is a bonafide first line superstar. He clearly isn't. This is the problem with using NHL players. Coaches can be blinded by their allegiance to players instead of using logic to apportion ice time.
 
ScottyBowman said:
The US just isn't that good. A lot of the good players are getting older and their aren't many great youngsters replacing them. Chelios/Schneider/Hatcher/Weight/Modano/Tkachuk are not spring chickens anymore.

I kinda like the way the youngsters are playing. The prob. def is that the spring chickens aren't their former selves, but that's just the way it goes.

Please don't forget to add Guerin to that list.
 
Fan-of-#9 said:
Not bitter about Drury seeing little ice time. More bitter about the fact that I placed a small wager on the US today and saw Gomez and Gionta out there as if they were Jagr and Lemieux during the Pens Stanley Cup years. If I was American I'd be questioning the coaching staff's theory of relying on those 2 guys to lead me to success during this tournament.
I don't think you can fault the coaching staff for playing Gomez and Gionta as much as they did. For the first two games they were the only ones creating every time they were on the ice. I do, however, think they were less dangerous today for whatever reason, but they were still creating.

To be honest, I think Tkachuk should be taken off that Gomez and line and replace him with Cole. And even on the powerplay I be more than happy to see Drury replace Tkachuk, as he can seem to neither be able to create or finish anything that comes his way. My only point earlier was that I don't get how you can slam the coaching staff for playing the only two guys who were consistently creating so far, "too" much.
 
ScottyBowman said:
The US just isn't that good. A lot of the good players are getting older and their aren't many great youngsters replacing them. Chelios/Schneider/Hatcher/Weight/Modano/Tkachuk are not spring chickens anymore.

I hope things are better in 2010. I think they will be, there is some good young talent that should be playing in the next games. A new generation I guess.
 
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