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Well, I saw that Meszaros handled NHLer Bergeron along the boards without problem. He plays the puck too much but that's the only weakness I see in his game.
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Well, I saw that Meszaros handled NHLer Bergeron along the boards without problem. He plays the puck too much but that's the only weakness I see in his game.
I"ll be shocked if he gets 100 pts as a rookie. But would you have thought he could have ddone what he did as a rookie last year? He won't start his NHL career playing with strong teammates who were the same age the way Gretzky did. He won't have a Hall of Fame 2nd line center to carry some of the burden, he won't play with other Hall of Fame wingers the moment he steps in to the league.Unbiased Canadian said:
He'll step into the league in the era of defensively responsible teams, where the size and speed of the average player is better than it was 10 years ago and much more than 20 years ago. And he's going to face good goalies on every team compared to what they were like 15 years ago.
140 pts in a season? Not in the next two years. But ever? Maybe.
50 goals in 39 games? Probably not, but when Gretzky came in to the NHL you would have been laughed at for suggesting he would do what he did.
Odds are seriously stacked against him that he won't match the numbers that Gretzky and Lemieux put up. And until he steps in to the NHL and performs all this talk about what he'll do is largely pointless. All I'm saying is never say never.
Habs4Life said:
I agree, I think they played over half the game. I'm sure it will be more balanced once a second pair of Seabrook-Coburn could be put together. I hope they don't get too burnt out before we play a formidable opponent, which may not occur until the semifinals, even though that's looking very far ahead.
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Ya know its funny, if Bergeron hadnt already played a year in the NHL this board would be overcome with prospect hysteria at what he is doing in the WJC's. I am glad that so many of you see what a special player he is though. There are actually a few knuckleheads on the Bruins board that think he is best suited to a 3rd line.....thats a laugher.
I try to think of another player he reminds me of and the only thing I can come up with is a tougher version of Ron Francis. Anyone else have any comparisons?
I try to think of another player he reminds me of and the only thing I can come up with is a tougher version of Ron Francis. Anyone else have any comparisons?
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My thoughts on the game:
Didnt Valabik seem SLOW to you people? On the 6th goal, he could have done SOMETHING, rather than just watching McArthur score. And his wristshot takes a LOT of time to load.
Meszaros is playing good and was our top D-man.
Halak played well and the majority of goals he got he couldnt save them.
A nice game, although at 5-3 and the 5 on 3 PP for us I was hoping we would score to make it 5-4 (watching it re-live not knowing the score).
Didnt Valabik seem SLOW to you people? On the 6th goal, he could have done SOMETHING, rather than just watching McArthur score. And his wristshot takes a LOT of time to load.
Meszaros is playing good and was our top D-man.
Halak played well and the majority of goals he got he couldnt save them.
A nice game, although at 5-3 and the 5 on 3 PP for us I was hoping we would score to make it 5-4 (watching it re-live not knowing the score).
That game left me a little concerned about the team.
The PCB line was absolutely dominant. Perry didn't have the puck going his way last night, but aside from Dion Mustard (a HF poster) who has a major hard on for being anti-Knights, I doubt you will find too many who will say he was out of place on the line. He made a number of really nice passes, and had a couple of really good scoring chances in the game. Crosby and Bergeron were exactly what you expected so there really isn't much to say about them.
I was disappointed in Belle's game again. He seems to be weak with the puck, which I think is the biggest weakness of the team. The defense are big and good, but they lack a true puck moving defenseman that they have had in past tournaments. I like big defensemen, but I like the puck being moved from the defense, something that I haven't seen enough of with the team.
Goaltending still should be a concern for the team. Yes it was only game 1 of the tournament, and Beauchemin hasn't had his opportunity, but coming in to the tournament, that would be what I would have said would be Canada's undoing, and to this point I still feel that way. Some weak goals, and losing the puck a lot.
Syvret had a bad break with the brutal (it's winter USA - get with the program - heat isn't an excuse) ice, but you still have to hold a guy accountable. He was fine the rest of the game though, and I think you need him for the PP. If Seabrook can come back, I would take Belle out. But back to the goal off Syvret's coughup, Glass shouldn't have let a goal in there. He had absolutely no clue what was going on and the puck went through his legs through a massive hole that never closed.
Also on the 1st Slovak goal, the 5-hole remained open the entire time. They showed the view from the net-cam, and a puck along the ice right at Glass went through a big hole that never closed. Paddle down.
The Getzlaf-Carter combo struggled in the third period. They had problems on the PP, and led to the 5-on-3 advantage for the Slovakians because they had trouble keeping with the puck. I was kind of surprised that Brent Sutter kept on throwing their line out shift after shift over a 5 minute period when this happened as they were having real problems.
Now, my post focused on the negatives of the team mostly, but otherwise the team played really well. The first half of the game they were a team on a mission that wasn't going to let anything get in their way. They played the body, but still had a lot of offensive chances.
The team will improve as they get used to the top level talent of the tournament, and look good to take a run for the Gold.
The PCB line was absolutely dominant. Perry didn't have the puck going his way last night, but aside from Dion Mustard (a HF poster) who has a major hard on for being anti-Knights, I doubt you will find too many who will say he was out of place on the line. He made a number of really nice passes, and had a couple of really good scoring chances in the game. Crosby and Bergeron were exactly what you expected so there really isn't much to say about them.
I was disappointed in Belle's game again. He seems to be weak with the puck, which I think is the biggest weakness of the team. The defense are big and good, but they lack a true puck moving defenseman that they have had in past tournaments. I like big defensemen, but I like the puck being moved from the defense, something that I haven't seen enough of with the team.
Goaltending still should be a concern for the team. Yes it was only game 1 of the tournament, and Beauchemin hasn't had his opportunity, but coming in to the tournament, that would be what I would have said would be Canada's undoing, and to this point I still feel that way. Some weak goals, and losing the puck a lot.
Syvret had a bad break with the brutal (it's winter USA - get with the program - heat isn't an excuse) ice, but you still have to hold a guy accountable. He was fine the rest of the game though, and I think you need him for the PP. If Seabrook can come back, I would take Belle out. But back to the goal off Syvret's coughup, Glass shouldn't have let a goal in there. He had absolutely no clue what was going on and the puck went through his legs through a massive hole that never closed.
Also on the 1st Slovak goal, the 5-hole remained open the entire time. They showed the view from the net-cam, and a puck along the ice right at Glass went through a big hole that never closed. Paddle down.
The Getzlaf-Carter combo struggled in the third period. They had problems on the PP, and led to the 5-on-3 advantage for the Slovakians because they had trouble keeping with the puck. I was kind of surprised that Brent Sutter kept on throwing their line out shift after shift over a 5 minute period when this happened as they were having real problems.
Now, my post focused on the negatives of the team mostly, but otherwise the team played really well. The first half of the game they were a team on a mission that wasn't going to let anything get in their way. They played the body, but still had a lot of offensive chances.
The team will improve as they get used to the top level talent of the tournament, and look good to take a run for the Gold.
Crosbyfan said:CHECK YOUR STATS, Gretzky is 7 months older in the seasons you mentioned and Lemieux's 17 and 18 year old seasons are used where you call them 16 and 17.At Sid's current age Gretzky and Lemeiux were BOTH still in the first year you quoted for each player.
In some ways I have to agree with this. It is difficult to compare offensive statistics in today's hockey becaus now players are taught to play defense in junior, where it used to be that offense was learned in junior and defense was developed as you made your way up.
Crosby still isn't Lemieux or Gretzky to me though. He is good, and he should be great, but I just don't see him as all-time great in that same light. I fully expect years of all-star appearances, battles for the Art Ross and Rocket Richard, and a HOF career, but I just can't put Crosby in that light, especially before I see him in a pro game.
12# Peter Bondra said:
Valabik played poorly in my opinion. Slow and not good with the puck. Scurko also looked nervous or something, his skating wasn't good.
In the first two periods there were few Slovakians that looked good with the puck, perhaps they didn't believe they stood a chance.
Sekera was also unimpressive, unfortunately, in the first half of the game at least. But I did think fellow Owen Sounder Ruzicka played a decent game. Hopefully we'll get to see them play a couple times more on TV in this years tourney.
Halak, despite the score, didn't seem to be the problem. He did make some big saves for Slovakia, but for the most part his defense struggled. Mind you the Canadian offense would be hard for any blueline to stop.
How about Ryan Smith- not great at any one thing but very good at just aboutBruwinz20 said:
every thing.
markov`
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pei fan said:
Interesting, although I consider Bergeron to have a lot more offensive talent than Smyth.
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yikes, hold up here...
sakic? hossa? elias?
yeah...he's a great young player...and he had a solid rookie year last year...but i think we're jumping the gun on declaring him a future superstar. he's GOING to dominate this tournament...but there's no reason he shouldn't. he has a full season of NHL experience under his belt! he went from playing men to playing teenagers! i think that we should hold off on declaring him the next big thing...until we see a bit more in the big leagues.
sakic? hossa? elias?
yeah...he's a great young player...and he had a solid rookie year last year...but i think we're jumping the gun on declaring him a future superstar. he's GOING to dominate this tournament...but there's no reason he shouldn't. he has a full season of NHL experience under his belt! he went from playing men to playing teenagers! i think that we should hold off on declaring him the next big thing...until we see a bit more in the big leagues.
Valabik will probably always look better on the NHL sized ice than on the Euro sized ice it seems.flip588 said:
Ruzicka seemed good but didnt see him much.
It looked our team were afraid of Canada but Im not surprised. But more confidence wouldnt hurt.
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