Proposal: Gaudreau for Taylor Hall

[Taytro]

Gaudreau is a franchise player. Stop treating him as anything else. The NA team will shut up all the doubters/non-watchers/haters. He's the second best player on team North America hands down. Hell the gap between him and McDavid at this second isn't that large. Put that into perspective. The guy is a superstar. He makes every player on the ice he plays with better. Only the best players do that. He's one of the few players that can put a team on his back with his offensive abilities.

Taylor Hall is not a franchise player. He's a very, very good player.

Well... That pretty much rules out all your credibility. Gaudreau can be elite but he is not a franchise player. He doesnt compare to Eichel, McDavid, and Matthewsl in terms of potential. Skill level today? Maybe he is in that conversation but hes also 4-5 years older than those guys.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

[QUOTEHe's a better player than Monahan and MacKinnon.

no, he isn't.
There is a heirarchy based on position.
#1 Defence 1
#2 Centre
#3 Defence 2
#4 Goaltending
#5 Wingers

Didn't the Taylor Hall trade teach you anything about this heirarchy?[/QUOTE]

Why do potential #1 centers usually make up the top 5 draft picks every year?
I personally think the most important position is that #1 center slot.
Also using 1 trade from a team who had a glut of forwards and no defense as the basis for all trades is not the greatest line of thought.

 

[Boxscore]

Sorry, Gaudreau is the better player. There's no way on earth I trade him for Hall. I've never been a big "Hall guy" to be honest.

 

[RedHot]

We was born in Calgary.

I don't see why NJ does this. You give up the better player, who's signed, and most likely for less money. Especially when he hasn't yet played a game

Very debateable that Hall is better. And he did sign a bargain deal when the NHL salary world was much different, of course he will be paid less.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Well... That pretty much rules out all your credibility. Gaudreau can be elite but he is not a franchise player. He doesnt compare to Eichel, McDavid, and Matthewsl in terms of potential. Skill level today? Maybe he is in that conversation but hes also 4-5 years older than those guys.

Eichel, Matthews are not as good as Gaudreau right now. AINEC. Who's better in the future? Not sure but Gaudreau and McDavid are the two proven superstar talents as of right now on that team. Lots of potential stars Mackinnon, Ekblad, Matthews, Eichel. None have performed at the level of Gaudreau at this point in their career.

I mean he has like 140+ points since he entered the NHL. Who's even close to those numbers in the past two years on that team? No one. Monahan off the top of my head is closest and he's not even playing.

 

[Haatley]

Gaudreau wants to be in Calgary.

 

[McVespa99]

I dont do that deal if I am Jersey. Espescially not if JG wants more than Hall is making.

 

[The Nuge]

Very debateable that Hall is better. And he did sign a bargain deal when the NHL salary world was much different, of course he will be paid less.

A debate can certainly be made, since Hall's had some struggles the last 2 years, but Hall the 2 years prior was at a level Gaudreau hasn't hit. Either way, it's close, and Hall will have a better deal, so why would NJ help Calgary?

 

[Ciao]

The gap between Johnny Hockey and McDavid at this second isn't that large?

Really?

You could have fooled me there. I had no idea.

 

[Kritty]

A debate can certainly be made, since Hall's had some struggles the last 2 years, but Hall the 2 years prior was at a level Gaudreau hasn't hit. Either way, it's close, and Hall will have a better deal, so why would NJ help Calgary?

Oh you mean Hall's one year of 80 points and nothing else since? Gaudreau just hit 78 in 79 games. Give him those 3 games and he outproduces Hall. I don't get how Hall is put above Gaudreau. Gaudreau is a star, Hall is not. As someone said, Hall is a very good player but he has nothing on Gaudreau. Some people need to actually watch some hockey.

 

[viper0220]

Well... That pretty much rules out all your credibility. Gaudreau can be elite but he is not a franchise player. He doesnt compare to Eichel, McDavid, and Matthewsl in terms of potential. Skill level today? Maybe he is in that conversation but hes also 4-5 years older than those guys.

This is such stupid post, Johnny Gaudreau makes players around him significantly better(just look at Monahan ), can put up a lot of points, can play both sides of the ice pretty well, can be the face of the team(he probably is already), played very well in the small sample of the playoffs he played in, has the ability to dominate a game and win it. If a player can do all those things, than he is a franchise player, Johnny still has room to grow because he's reached about 87%-90% of his potential(he still has room to grow), just because a player is older, does not mean he still does not have any room to grow.

 

[viper0220]

The gap between Johnny Hockey and McDavid at this second isn't that large?

Really?

You could have fooled me there. I had no idea.

Don't get fooled just yet, just hold on to that fool hat of yours and let them, play this season, the gap between Johnny Hockey and McDavid, may be large or it maybe not that large, there is only one way to find out, let them play this season.

 

[RedHot]

A debate can certainly be made, since Hall's had some struggles the last 2 years, but Hall the 2 years prior was at a level Gaudreau hasn't hit. Either way, it's close, and Hall will have a better deal, so why would NJ help Calgary?

The two years that they've both been in the league Gaudreau has been better. Especially the most recent year. And he's showed well in the playoffs.

I think that's something that NJ managment would take into account, wouldn't you?

 

[viper0220]

A debate can certainly be made, since Hall's had some struggles the last 2 years, but Hall the 2 years prior was at a level Gaudreau hasn't hit. Either way, it's close, and Hall will have a better deal, so why would NJ help Calgary?

The prior two season Hall had 50 points in 45 games and then 80 points in 75 games, Johnny had 78 points in 79 games, I think that proves that Gaudreau has hit Hall's top level and Gaudreau did it in just his second season in the NHL, which you can debate that Gaudreau has probably, passed Hall's top level.

Oh you mean Hall's one year of 80 points and nothing else since? Gaudreau just hit 78 in 79 games. Give him those 3 games and he outproduces Hall. I don't get how Hall is put above Gaudreau. Gaudreau is a star, Hall is not. As someone said, Hall is a very good player but he has nothing on Gaudreau. Some people need to actually watch some hockey.

Hall is a star in this league, there is no doubt about that.

 

[cbzblaze]

$8 million Gaudreau still >> $6 million Hall.

Gaudreau = Kane lite
Hall = Parise lite

The discrepancy in their skill set is huge. Only point that favors Hall would be skating and even that is debatable. Hall obviously has the better top speed but Gaudreau is ridiculously shifty with his lateral movement and his balance is better. That allows Gaudreau to avoid getting hit hard, something Hall struggles with and Hall gets knocked down so easily for someone whose apparently really strong on his skates.

Gaudreau is easily the better playmaker and finisher.

 

[The Nuge]

Oh you mean Hall's one year of 80 points and nothing else since? Gaudreau just hit 78 in 79 games. Give him those 3 games and he outproduces Hall. I don't get how Hall is put above Gaudreau. Gaudreau is a star, Hall is not. As someone said, Hall is a very good player but he has nothing on Gaudreau. Some people need to actually watch some hockey.

Umm. Give Gaudreau 3 extra games, but don't give Hall the 7 he missed when he had 80 points? That makes no sense.

The two years that they've both been in the league Gaudreau has been better. Especially the most recent year. And he's showed well in the playoffs.

I think that's something that NJ managment would take into account, wouldn't you?

Hall was better for the first half of last year. They're almost the same age, and Hall showed more at a younger age. It'll be interesting to see how Hall does now that he seems to have gotten the fire back. I'd wager he out produces Gaudreau this year.

The prior two season Hall had 50 points in 45 games and then 80 points in 75 games, Johnny had 78 points in 79 games, I think that proves that Gaudreau has hit Hall's top level and Gaudreau did it in just his second season in the NHL, which you can debate that Gaudreau has probably, passed Hall's top level.




Hall is a star in this league, there is no doubt about that.

Gaudreau having less points in more games proves he's at a higher level that Hall? They're very similar calibre. Gaudreau had better seasons the last 2 years, but he still hasn't been over a PPG, which Hall has done twice

 

[COHawk]

He's a better player than Monahan and MacKinnon.

no, he isn't.
There is a heirarchy based on position.
#1 Defence 1
#2 Centre
#3 Defence 2
#4 Goaltending
#5 Wingers

Didn't the Taylor Hall trade teach you anything about this heirarchy?

Hasn't Mac been playing on the wing? Just sayin...

 

[MessierII]

Didn't Hall play in the OHL? How is Calgary "home" for him? Am I missing something?

He grew up in Calgary moved to Kingston at age 13.

 

[Captain Controversy]

The prior two season Hall had 50 points in 45 games and then 80 points in 75 games, Johnny had 78 points in 79 games, I think that proves that Gaudreau has hit Hall's top level and Gaudreau did it in just his second season in the NHL, which you can debate that Gaudreau has probably, passed Hall's top level.




Hall is a star in this league, there is no doubt about that.

Gaudreau is one year younger than hall. Gaudreau has played in the nhl for 2 years.
Hall has played in the nhl for 6 years. Their best years were actually at the same age, Thus far. They are comparable, it all depends on what your team would rather have. JG is really good intight. It is impressive.
Hall flies in from the left side with his speed.

 

[smackdaddy]

This Gaudreau crap has gone completely outta control. Let the season begin already

 

[yababy]

He was born/raised in Calgary. Moved to Pntario at some point I think?

moved to Kingston from Calgary in 2005 at the age of 14

 

[yababy]

no, he isn't.
There is a heirarchy based on position.
#1 Defence 1
#2 Centre
#3 Defence 2
#4 Goaltending
#5 Wingers

Didn't the Taylor Hall trade teach you anything about this heirarchy?

Why do potential #1 centers usually make up the top 5 draft picks every year?
I personally think the most important position is that #1 center slot.
Also using 1 trade from a team who had a glut of forwards and no defense as the basis for all trades is not the greatest line of thought.[/QUOTE]

Because that stud #1 dman is usually not there - and some teams may already have one. They take a few more yrs to develop too

 

[yababy]

The gap between Johnny Hockey and McDavid at this second isn't that large?

Really?

You could have fooled me there. I had no idea.

I laughed too. Someone needs some smelling salts

 

[MonyontheMoney]

I still have a hard time understanding how people come to the conclusion that Gaudreau wants to go home. Have there been any sources claiming such? Not that I've seen. I have, however seen Freidman reporting that both side are working on a long-term deal.

Regardless IF Gaudreau wanted to go home, which again, is only an assumption, he won't be doing it until he hits UFA, or a year prior, unless someone overpays drastically, Hall straight up for Gaudreau is not an overpayment - it's actually an underpayment IMO.

There are plenty of things that could potentially be hanging this up.

 

[ManofSteel55]

[QUOTEHe's a better player than Monahan and MacKinnon.

no, he isn't.
There is a heirarchy based on position.
#1 Defence 1
#2 Centre
#3 Defence 2
#4 Goaltending
#5 Wingers

Didn't the Taylor Hall trade teach you anything about this heirarchy?[/QUOTE]

Do draft picks end up at the top of this list? Dougie Hamilton and Johnny Boychuk were both traded for draft picks.

There is no "heirarchy". There are certain types of assets that are more in demand, and often those do command an overpayment when a team is obviously desperate for them, but there is no universal value calculator when discussing available assets. All we can do is speculate what individual GM's might think their players are worth vs players that they want or need for their team.