Garth Snow Pt. III - Snow’s inactivity

[Glory Days]

It’s not a grudge if it’s true

Why not, haven't you ever seen someone hold a grudge over something true

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Again, I'm really not disagreeing with your assertion here. I am not trying to claim that Snow is a top notch draft GM. My only real point was that the original study was flawed. I used this methodology, because it was the methodology being used when people were using the original study as evidence.

If you do have a good way of trying to measure this statistically though and the data isn't too difficult to compile, I'd probably be interested in taking a look at it the next time I have some free time at work.

I've got nowhere near the stats background to even attempt something complex enough to withstand any sort of scrutiny.

However, in vague terms, I'd probably favor some kind of analysis that breaks these players down into tiers, with much higher weights assigned to, say, players who fit into the 60+ point tier versus players like, say, a Matt Martin or a Max Talbot, who are NHL players but not necessarily impact guys.

Again, I wouldn't have the first idea how to go about doing it. But I think the best method would be one that puts more emphasis on the high end players drafted, and less weight on a team that has drafted a bunch of middle six or lower types.

Reason being, I think if a team can draft high end guys successfully, it's much easier to "fill the holes" via trade or free agency with the middle six guys than it is for a team who drafts a lot of middle six guys then having to fill the "elite" holes through trade or free agency. Hence my wanting to come up with some sort of evaluation that focuses heavily on the high end players each team has drafted.

I also think where a team drafts should be accounted for. For instance, a team continually drafting in the top 5 should be more heavily punished (in whatever evaluation method) for not having any elite players to show for it than a team who drafts in the 20-30 range should.

Ex. a team drafting in the 20-30 range every year probably should consider it good drafting if they come away with a Brock Nelson. But a team drafting in the top 5 should aim higher than that.

 

[Nassau Revisited]

Botta with A+ work as usual. The part about the kool aid really hit home!

 

[aronjudge11]

I think snow will be here for years. Untill all 3 owners sell. if that ever happens. If snow is not fired before the playoffs than hes not being fired. Odds are JT leaves snow already has excuse for next year. Semi rebuild. You cant fire a gm during a rebuild till year 15 acording to islander tradition. It will never get worse than this season because expectations will be lowered..semi rebuild...someone will teach doug how to coach defense. ISLES are doomed for failure for most of our lives. Ive watched 1 bad owner after another for 30 years but this current 3 headed monster erases all hope because they essentially telling the fans we arent selling we dont care about how bad we are we only care that snow and his boyz keep the entourage going.

 

[periferal]

Botta mentions Chris Lams as an internal GM candidate. If L&M can hire Lou Lams as President and his son becomes GM, I think I'd be okay with that.

Listen...I'll take my chances with almost anyone if snow is fired, but Chris Lamoriello is NOT the answer. I'm convinced he'd be at the assistant level if his father wasn't one of the most powerful men in hockey for 20+ years.

 

[Big L]

Recent article on The Athletic talked about the shelf life of GMs, and how it’s getting shorter. It said it used to be a GM had a 5 year plan. Now they’re squeezed to about a 3 year plan.

So Garf has had over two - 5 year plans. And zero to show for it. Currently on his third 5 year plan.

SMH FML. Why the hell does this buffoon still have a job....

 

[Lame Lambert]

Recent article on The Athletic talked about the shelf life of GMs, and how it’s getting shorter. It said it used to be a GM had a 5 year plan. Now they’re squeezed to about a 3 year plan.

So Garf has had over two - 5 year plans. And zero to show for it. Currently on his third 5 year plan.

SMH FML. Why the hell does this buffoon still have a job....

Have patience with the rebuild

 

[sabremike]

Recent article on The Athletic talked about the shelf life of GMs, and how it’s getting shorter. It said it used to be a GM had a 5 year plan. Now they’re squeezed to about a 3 year plan.

So Garf has had over two - 5 year plans. And zero to show for it. Currently on his third 5 year plan.

SMH FML. Why the hell does this buffoon still have a job....

I didn't read the article, but did it give the key reason GM's are allowed less failure these days: the league has essentially rigged things where parity is the rule, thus constantly missing the playoffs pretty much means you are completely incompetent and need to be fired? For example the team that last year was the worst of the post lockout era looks like they will make the playoffs this year.

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

I didn't read the article, but did it give the key reason GM's are allowed less failure these days: the league has essentially rigged things where parity is the rule, thus constantly missing the playoffs pretty much means you are completely incompetent and need to be fired? For example the team that last year was the worst of the post lockout era looks like they will make the playoffs this year.

Not to mention an expansion team that is one of the top contenders for the Cup, something we have not been a single time in 12 years under Garth Snow. Every single piece of evidence, stats, gut instincts, common sense points to Snow being out after this season to the point where it is criminal if these owners keep him on. And as others have said, if he is not fired after this season, there is almost no chance he is fired within the next 2-3 years because the expectations will be lowered and they will use the excuse of needing "time" for the "rebuild."

 

[beach]

Agreed. People like to reminisce about Nystrom, Tonelli, Morrow, etc., but the Isles had a dynasty mostly because they had HOFers Trottier, Potvin, Bossy and Smith.

Agree that there would not be 4 Cups without the HOFers, but I also think there would be no Cups at all without the amazing surrounding cast assembled by Torrey.

 

[Nassau Revisited]

Does Snow sign Davidson to a 5 year deal before the season ends or does he wait until next year?

 

[Lame Lambert]

 

[Nassau Revisited]

Botta forgot the biggest injury of all.. Toews!!!

 

[Lame Lambert]

Botta forgot the biggest injury of all.. Toews!!!

Can only fit so many excuses in one tweet

 

[Columbia]

Officially boycotting the team financially until this piece of shit and Weight are out.

 

[doublechili]

Listen...I'll take my chances with almost anyone if snow is fired, but Chris Lamoriello is NOT the answer. I'm convinced he'd be at the assistant level if his father wasn't one of the most powerful men in hockey for 20+ years.

I hear you, but my assumption is that Chris would be tantamount to a high level Asst GM and Lou would be the GM Whisperer.

Improvement on Snow? Let me think about i...YES!

 

[Lame Lambert]

I hear you, but my assumption is that Chris would be tantamount to a high level Asst GM and Lou would be the GM Whisperer.

Improvement on Snow? Let me think about i...YES!

Yeah that’s a no brainer. Anything that brings Lou in would be incredible.

 

[sabremike]

Literally the only way L&M don't pull the plug is if they are the most crude parody of slumlord owners that some ranting here say they are. Again everything I hear says a housecleaning is coming. If not I'll contemplate a class action lawsuit for us STH's who renewed on the grounds that they fraudulently claim to be an NHL organization. If that went to a Nassau jury the only way they'd rule against us is if they were all rags fans.

 

[BMOK33]

Not to mention an expansion team that is one of the top contenders for the Cup, something we have not been a single time in 12 years under Garth Snow. Every single piece of evidence, stats, gut instincts, common sense points to Snow being out after this season to the point where it is criminal if these owners keep him on. And as others have said, if he is not fired after this season, there is almost no chance he is fired within the next 2-3 years because the expectations will be lowered and they will use the excuse of needing "time" for the "rebuild."

Vegas will probably be out in the 1st round. I think they're a fluke who just started hot, got confidence, and stayed hot. I would not be surprised if things are real ugly for them in 2018-19

 

[BelovedIsles]

Spot on again.

If snow is still around after this season, I’m going to follow these boards more than I do the actual New York Islanders.

 

[DerekKingSnipes]

Literally the only way L&M don't pull the plug is if they are the most crude parody of slumlord owners that some ranting here say they are. Again everything I hear says a housecleaning is coming. If not I'll contemplate a class action lawsuit for us STH's who renewed on the grounds that they fraudulently claim to be an NHL organization. If that went to a Nassau jury the only way they'd rule against us is if they were all rags fans.

I agree he has to be fired and I think we will see as soon as season ends. If he's still here maybe Monday or Tuesday after the game in Detroit then we're stuck with him. I personally believe we will see a complete GM/coach firing. I have no idea who they'd hire and it seems like the upcoming guys don't want Carolina job and scarily enough I believe our job(assuming JT stays) with a pretty good top six forward group and 4 picks in top 60 this year(two lottery picks) would be very appealing.

 

[periferal]

I hear you, but my assumption is that Chris would be tantamount to a high level Asst GM and Lou would be the GM Whisperer.

Improvement on Snow? Let me think about i...YES!

Trust me when I tell you...You don't want Chris L as GM. Bad enough he's in the NHL due to severe nepotism.

 

[aronjudge11]

Spot on again.

If snow is still around after this season, I’m going to follow these boards more than I do the actual New York Islanders.

I follow the boards more than the games. I think I watched 10 games this year all in the 1st half 3 in person 4 on tv 3 on the radio. Its like watching your adult son whos a drinker and drug addict ...thats the vibe watching these lousy owners and their friends and family hockey entourage.

 

[aronjudge11]

Trust me when I tell you...You don't want Chris L as GM. Bad enough he's in the NHL due to severe nepotism.

nepotism is dipietro having to be the starter because wang likes him...or wang keeping milbury and snow here because he likes them...Chris L..is not nepotism. Did he get his foot in the door due to connections? most actors do as well

 

[IslesNorway]

Listen...I'll take my chances with almost anyone if snow is fired, but Chris Lamoriello is NOT the answer. I'm convinced he'd be at the assistant level if his father wasn't one of the most powerful men in hockey for 20+ years.

The better Lamoriello surely