Proposal: Gardiner/JVR+2017 unprotected 1st

[The Assclown]

lol this is so absurd

Incredibly absurd. What would Anaheim be adding to Lindholm?

 

[HarrisonFord]

Incredibly absurd. What would Anaheim be adding to Lindholm?

a lot. I honestly don't think they have the pieces to do it

 

[Mad Brills*]

wrong.

Lindholm is a top 5 dman

matthews could be a top 5 centreman.

See the difference?

 

[Maukkis]

wrong.

Lindholm is a top 5 dman

matthews could be a top 5 centreman.

See the difference?

Welome to HFBoards, where value always trumps needs in any imaginable scenario. Oh, and potential beats proven. Yay.

 

[Hockeypete49]

This is really for leafs fans. Why does it seem as though I see JVR's name popping up a lot in trade rumors that seem to be started by leaf fans. Does he fit in with the future of Toronto?

 

[sparxx87]

Sorry but that's most likely what it's going to take to get Lindholm out of Anaheim is Matthews. If this guy thinks that a deal based around JVR/Gardiner+2017 1st round pick possibly top 5 is going to get you Lindholm then he's sorely mistaken. No way does Ducks GM Bob Murray move Lindholm to Toronto without Matthews coming back.

Is Lindholm worth Kopitar? Because that's what a lot of people believe Matthews will be in a few short years...

 

[diceman934]

wrong.

Lindholm is a top 5 dman

matthews could be a top 5 centreman.

See the difference?

Only is a night mare is Lindholm worth anywhere Near Mathews.....

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

i dont even want to deal jvr, i polled our board BEFORE we got matthews, and most people didnt want to trade him unless there was a solid offer, so its quite dumb to see people throwing him around in trade threads.

 

[BatVader]

It's gonna be pretty much impossible to trade for a #1 Young RHD without purging your young super stars. Teams just do not trade them with how hard they are to acquire. You're gonna have to draft one.

Ah-hem.......

i dont even want to deal jvr, i polled our board BEFORE we got matthews, and most people didnt want to trade him unless there was a solid offer, so its quite dumb to see people throwing him around in trade threads.

Considering he only has 2 years left on his contract, is 27/28, and TO is rebuilding and won't be contenders for a few more years, it makes perfect logical sense to trade JVR to a contending team now, while he still has some value on the market, as he won't fit into your group when its ready to contend.
Problem is most teams won't value him as highly as Leafs fans because he only has 2 years on his contract. That lowers his return, unless there is a guarantee of him re-signing or if he is already signed long term prior to the trade.
If he is traded without an extension already in place, I think most TO fans will be surprised and disappointed at the return.

 

[StuckOutHere]

Not a good idea even in a 'meh' situation, especially with the effort the Leafs are putting into drafting and developing talent.

Oh, I'm not trading the first for some fringy RHD. But taking it off the table is silly considering the state of the talent in next year's draft.

 

[Prince N]

These type of proposals / trades got Toronto in this mess to begin with.

Tor keeps JVR, Gardner and top 10 pick

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

OK we need a high end RHD D-man but we don't have the Hall type player to get one so I was thinking does 1 of GArdiner or JVR plus the 2017 unprotected 1st (most likely top 5 pick) land one.
I am thinking guys like Shattenkirk, Faulk, Carlsson, Brodie, LIndholm, Risto etc level guys.

Now I understand a rebuilding team should keep their likely high 1st but I am curious if any other fanbase would make a deal?
I also understand that logically we are best served by keeping the pick due to there being 3 top end D prospects projected in the top 5

**** off. Never again.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Ah-hem.......








Considering he only has 2 years left on his contract, is 27/28, and TO is rebuilding and won't be contenders for a few more years, it makes perfect logical sense to trade JVR to a contending team now, while he still has some value on the market, as he won't fit into your group when its ready to contend.
Problem is most teams won't value him as highly as Leafs fans because he only has 2 years on his contract. That lowers his return, unless there is a guarantee of him re-signing or if he is already signed long term prior to the trade.
If he is traded without an extension already in place, I think most TO fans will be surprised and disappointed at the return.

jaden Schwartz just signed for 5.3 ish just recently and is a better player im not worried about term or $. And the way jvr plays and can skate like the wind i have no doubt he can play till his mid late 30's.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

This is really for leafs fans. Why does it seem as though I see JVR's name popping up a lot in trade rumors that seem to be started by leaf fans. Does he fit in with the future of Toronto?

We're split. A few of us think he should be re-signed for a reasonable price. A few think he'll be too expensive and too old when his contract is up. I'm the former. I'm not completely against trading JVR, but given our weakness at our LW depth, it'd have to be for quite the player or package for me to want to trade him.

 

[HarrisonFord]

wrong.

Lindholm is a top 5 dman

matthews could be a top 5 centreman.

See the difference?

uhh, what now? In what fantasy world is Lindholm better than Doughty, Keith, Karlsson, Subban, and Hedman?

 

[Donuts]

Evander kane

 

[Toby Flenderson]

uhh, what now? In what fantasy world is Lindholm better than Doughty, Keith, Karlsson, Subban, and Hedman?

Also letang, Carlson, pietrangelo, Faulk, mcdonagh and Ekblad. He's not even top 10 lol

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Is Lindholm worth Kopitar? Because that's what a lot of people believe Matthews will be in a few short years...

It doesn't matter what their perceived values look like in a bubble. You don't move a defenseman of Lindholm's ability and potential for any realistic offer. Saying that Matthews is the only deal that would work for Anaheim isn't suggesting that the Leafs would ever do it, it wasn't a proposal.

 

[Raymoondo]

wrong.

Lindholm is a top 5 dman

matthews could be a top 5 centreman.

See the difference?

lol Lindholm was just voted as #23 best defenseman in the HF poll let's calm down there

 

[go4hockey]

wrong.

Lindholm is a top 5 dman

matthews could be a top 5 centreman.

See the difference?

Lindholm is good young defenseman but you think he is top 5? Get real he is not near top 5.

 

[BatVader]

Lindholm is good young defenseman but you think he is top 5? Get real he is not near top 5.

Not true.
Lindholm is a top 5 Dman in Anaheim.

 

[Halla]

JVR+Gardiner+Toronto's 2017 1st round pick unprotected, Isn't going to get you either one of Faulk or Lindholm. Start with your best prospect and work from there.

so auston matthews +?

smh

 

[Halla]

Ah-hem.......








Considering he only has 2 years left on his contract, is 27/28, and TO is rebuilding and won't be contenders for a few more years, it makes perfect logical sense to trade JVR to a contending team now, while he still has some value on the market, as he won't fit into your group when its ready to contend.
Problem is most teams won't value him as highly as Leafs fans because he only has 2 years on his contract. That lowers his return, unless there is a guarantee of him re-signing or if he is already signed long term prior to the trade.
If he is traded without an extension already in place, I think most TO fans will be surprised and disappointed at the return.

nah we will just sign him up for 6 years, 6 million per.
we should have barrels of money with laich,greening,robidas,lupul, bozak etc giving us an additional 20M in cap space and no one to sign besides JVR/Willie

 

[HarrisonFord]

Also letang, Carlson, pietrangelo, Faulk, mcdonagh and Ekblad. He's not even top 10 lol

Exactly. I have no idea what the OP is thinking

 

[garyturner3]

What part of full rebuild with no shortcuts is difficult to understand? We're not trading away an unprotected 1st round pick when chances are it's a top 5. That is the dumbest thing a team in year #2 of a full rebuild could do. We're building through the draft the proper way, just accept it and be patient.