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Post-Game Talk: Game XVII: Guess who’s back? Ned is back! Tell a friend

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Zbynek

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LOGiK said:
Bollocks!
That is true! :cry:
I wonder how that team list works? Is it done upon signing or upon getting moved? Has to be on signing, no? Otherwise he'd know he was being shipped if they have to call to get his 12 teams....
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Pretty sure he and his agent submit a list every year in July. First year ('23/'24) was probably submitted at the time he signed the contract.
 
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Zbynek said:
Pretty sure he and his agent submit a list every year in July. First year ('23/'24) was probably submitted at the time he signed the contract.
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His agent may be slick, but I'd not expect much brain smarts to come out of Jarry... (regarding which teams to avoid).
So there is that....
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I would love to understand why the deeper NZ presence that consistently produces not just wins, but shutout wins, is seemingly a fly by night approach that only makes appearances at random times.
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I think the easy answer here is coaching. At the end of the day, it's the coaching staff's job to ensure the structure and style of play are in place and consistent. We all see it - when they are dedicated to their structure, they make it very miserable for the other team. They protect the goalie and limit high-danger chances. It's not hard to see how we lead the league in SOs (I believe).

The more difficult answer may lie in the tendencies of the older core. It's not the 3rd or 4th line that starts running and gunning and free-wheeling. Typically, it's Sid or Geno for a shift or two (based on the ebbs and flows of the game), and then it compounds from there. So it might be that a guy like Sid or Geno feels the need to break from the structure at times. Whether or not that's a natural response to needing a boost in the game, that tying goal, etc, who knows but I would suggest that when we start to not look great, it does tend to start with them. Then it looks like that self-destructive "Oh, I made a mistake, I need to fix it, and then get back to the structured game".

And just how much control Sullivan and the coaches have over that...honestly, it's hard to say. We know the political, no-bias, non-reality-based answer is "well they are the coaches, they have 100% control," but I don't think it's that easy. This is where I tend to wonder about the relationship and true dynamics of the relationship between Sid/Geno/Letang and the coaching staff. I don't see Sullivan having (whether he wants to or not) a super tight leash on them.
 
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I think the easy answer here is coaching. At the end of the day, it's the coaching staff's job to ensure the structure and style of play are in place and consistent. We all see it - when they are dedicated to their structure, they make it very miserable for the other team. They protect the goalie and limit high-danger chances. It's not hard to see how we lead the league in SOs (I believe).

The more difficult answer may lie in the tendencies of the older core. It's not the 3rd or 4th line that starts running and gunning and free-wheeling. Typically, it's Sid or Geno for a shift or two (based on the ebbs and flows of the game), and then it compounds from there. So it might be that a guy like Sid or Geno feels the need to break from the structure at times. Whether or not that's a natural response to needing a boost in the game, that tying goal, etc, who knows but I would suggest that when we start to not look great, it does tend to start with them. Then it looks like that self-destructive "Oh, I made a mistake, I need to fix it, and then get back to the structured game".

And just how much control Sullivan and the coaches have over that...honestly, it's hard to say. We know the political, no-bias, non-reality-based answer is "well they are the coaches, they have 100% control," but I don't think it's that easy. This is where I tend to wonder about the relationship and true dynamics of the relationship between Sid/Geno/Letang and the coaching staff. I don't see Sullivan having (whether he wants to or not) a super tight leash on them.
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Structured play or not, it's easy to see the last few games how the cookie crumbled when goals were allowed. It's awful decisions from the guys up top.

Crosby gave away that awful turnover against the Canes two nights ago that opened the flood gates.

He then followed it up with an awful Rookie Sid penalty in the Vegas game when the team had the lead.

The "trap" style of play will only be 100% if the top guys give 100% commitment. It sure as hell would help ease these games if these same guys scored more than once a month on the man advantage.

Based on last year and the 17 of so blown third period leads, the top two lines have not earned the right to play this bullshit high risk style of play.
 
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Couldn’t watch, and as usual they win when that happens!

Great to have A-Ned back. Happy for the guy.

Good win. They’re showing the ability to beat good teams, they’re just so inconsistent.
 
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Icarium said:
I don't say it often but kudos to Sully for keeping Malkin on the ice for an empty net goal chance, he was flying all night and deserved a reward
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This had nothing to do with Sullsma.

Vegas pulled their goalie in the middle of Malkin’s shift, he was out there anyway. The Pens then immediately retrieved the puck, got it to Malkin, and he scored. Also, the only reason Malkin was there on a line with Guentzel and Sid in the first place was because the Pens were coming off a PK and Rust was a bit gassed.

Sullsma was fuming about the whole thing.
 
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It’s just so refreshing to watch an actual nhl game from this team. Some of the people here have watched brain dead goalie play so much that they actually believe that every defensive breakdown should result in a goal.

Breaking news: lots of trash teams in this league give up WAY more high danger scoring chances than the penguins but manage to have better GAA and sv%.

Jarry’s expected goals against is, last time I saw it, very negative. He’s not doing the bare minimum. He’s doing less than the bare minimum. People were joking yesterday about which backup we could bring back. We could use a shooter tutor and it would perform as well as Jarry.

His fans really need to break out of their shit tending coma.
 
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BillyOcean said:
Structured play or not, it's easy to see the last few games how the cookie crumbled when goals were allowed. It's awful decisions from the guys up top.

Crosby gave away that awful turnover against the Canes two nights ago that opened the flood gates.

He then followed it up with an awful Rookie Sid penalty in the Vegas game when the team had the lead.

The "trap" style of play will only be 100% if the top guys give 100% commitment. It sure as hell would help ease these games if these same guys scored more than once a month on the man advantage.

Based on last year and the 17 of so blown third period leads, the top two lines have not earned the right to play this bullshit high risk style of play.
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Damn! The guy with the highway usage on the team had a turnover?!

It’s too bad mentally challenged jarry is still on factory settings where “every turnover needs to result in my net” is set to true.

Actual nhl goalies play on teams where the top players turn the puck over. And then they make saves. It’s not illegal.

Also, just to be clear, I’ll always take the side of a top-5 player of all time over a goalie whose only meaningful accomplishment is robbing Dubas. If he could only rob opposing shooters Like he did the penguins FO
 
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IcedCapp said:
It’s just so refreshing to watch an actual nhl game from this team. Some of the people here have watched brain dead goalie play so much that they actually believe that every defensive breakdown should result in a goal.

Breaking news: lots of trash teams in this league give up WAY more high danger scoring chances than the penguins but manage to have better GAA and sv%.

Jarry’s expected goals against is, last time I saw it, very negative. He’s not doing the bare minimum. He’s doing less than the bare minimum. People were joking yesterday about which backup we could bring back. We could use a shooter tutor and it would perform as well as Jarry.

His fans really need to break out of their shit tending coma.
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Does Jarry have fans here? I'm less negative than some, but even I'm in the camp that says he's inconsistent and more bad than good lately.

I'm not looking to pay assets to get out of his deal though because I remain convinced that the NHL does not have 32 consistent starting goalies. Jarry isn't good, but it's not like there are a dozen sure fire better options waiting to be acquired.
 

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Damn! The guy with the highway usage on the team had a turnover?!

It’s too bad mentally challenged jarry is still on factory settings where “every turnover needs to result in my net” is set to true.

Actual nhl goalies play on teams where the top players turn the puck over. And then they make saves. It’s not illegal.

Also, just to be clear, I’ll always take the side of a top-5 player of all time over a goalie whose only meaningful accomplishment is robbing Dubas. If he could only rob opposing shooters Like he did the penguins FO
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This is also true. I dealt with Smiles giving up backbreaking goals for almost 2 decades.
 
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IcedCapp said:
Breaking news: lots of trash teams in this league give up WAY more high danger scoring chances than the penguins but manage to have better GAA and sv%.

Jarry’s expected goals against is, last time I saw it, very negative.
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It's positive right now. Problem is, he is the definition of feast or famine goalie and the Penguins lose every time he is in famine mode. Everyone knows his limitations, no need to exaggerate by saying every turnover ends up in the back of the net when Jarry is in net. It's far from the truth but the Penguins are too mentally weak to win games in which their goalies are shaky regardless who said goalies happen to be. Jarry being ridiculously unclutch makes things worse, of course, but I am not at all convinced that with an average NHL goalie the mental midgetry will suddenly disappear. Let's see if we can beat any divisional opponents before crowning Ned as the answer.
 
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AuroraBorealis said:
The moves in the summer were primarily made to improve defensively.
We're 7th in GA/G and 9th on the PK. It sucks that it's not enough for a playoff spot.
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It was good enough last week. And might be again next week. That's simply the nature of standings watching in November.

Let's see what it looks like after we've seen each divisional team a couple times. Sadly we've lost the two more important games of this stretch.
 
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IcedCapp said:
Jarry’s expected goals against is, last time I saw it, very negative. He’s not doing the bare minimum. He’s doing less than the bare minimum. People were joking yesterday about which backup we could bring back. We could use a shooter tutor and it would perform as well as Jarry.
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Jarry's goals saved above expected is +2.3 right now, so I don't know where your numbers are coming from.

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Icarium said:
It's positive right now. Problem is, he is the definition of feast or famine goalie and the Penguins lose every time he is in famine mode. Everyone knows his limitations, no need to exaggerate by saying every turnover ends up in the back of the net when Jarry is in net. It's far from the truth but the Penguins are too mentally weak to win games in which their goalies are shaky regardless who said goalies happen to be. Jarry being ridiculously unclutch makes things worse, of course, but I am not at all convinced that with an average NHL goalie the mental midgetry will suddenly disappear. Let's see if we can beat any divisional opponents before crowning Ned as the answer.
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Once again, I’m not crowning anyone anything, unless “more reliable than jarry” is crown-worthy

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Yeah, that's what happens when a season is 15 games old and stats vary significantly game to game.
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Well then saying “I don’t know where you got your numbers from” seems weird as f***.
 
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