GDT: Game 77: Red Wings at habs 7:00 pm et 4/8/25

[saska sault]

Marner isn't coming to Detroit. If he did want to then Yzerman will pay him. He isn't get 15 million from anybody in my opinion... depending where he wants to go 12 to 13.5 is my prediction.

 

[Go Wings]

And this is why I’m still in on Yzerman. I don’t really care about players he’s been signing the last handful of years because they’re irrelevant to the long term plan here. The best players on this team are either his picks/Cat. And the prospects are looking good while they develop. Up until this season, we had seen linear progression. Every team that rebuilds has setbacks that they then need to overcome. The Wings did it in the 90’s losing to SJ, NJ, and Colorado before cashing in.

In the last 6 years including this one Detroit has finished 8th, 7th, 6th, 7th, 5th and 6th. That is not progression that is absolutely pathetic.

Comparing the current Wings to the 90s Wings couldn't be more far off. The Wings in the 90s were constantly one of the best teams in the NHL. They had 2 bad years and then every year had well over 90 points most year had 100 plus points.

You don't care about those signings eh. Those terrible signings and trades have cost the Wings the playoffs for a second year in a row.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Right… Marner and Matthew’s suck.
Leafs are probably winning the division because of Joseph Will and Chris Tanev.

I do not care about division titles, nor do I care about squeaking in the playoffs to get curb stomped in rd 1. I care about championships. Marner and Matthews have not delivered and frankly haven't even gotten close. And that is partly because their scoring dries up when the going gets rough. The results speak for itself. I have no time for pointing fingers at goalies or defensemen and making excuses for the players up front, when you are paying your forwards 70% of the cap and 50% to four forwards.

 

[FMichael]

In the last 6 years including this one Detroit has finished 8th, 7th, 6th, 7th, 5th and 6th. That is not progression that is absolutely pathetic.

Comparing the current Wings to the 90s Wings couldn't be more far off. The Wings in the 90s were constantly one of the best teams in the NHL. They had 2 bad years and then every year had well over 90 points most year had 100 plus points.

You don't care about those signings eh. Those terrible signings and trades have cost the Wings the playoffs for a second year in a row.

Outside of 2002 Cup winning squad - our 1997 and 1998 teams were made of smart draft picks, savvy trades, and a few key free agent signings.

 

[saska sault]

If you guys aren't with us (Yzerdaddy lovers) when we finish 20th overall again, dont come around when we finish 15th in 1 to 2 seasons and get a wild card birth.

 

[nbwingsfan]

And Yzerman has shown he's more than willing to draft who he likes, not necessarily the consensus pick. I think Stutzle is more an Yzerman pick than Laf, and just plugging in whoever was picked 1st isn't necessarily who the Wings would have taken.

Maybe. I prefer the center just because of the position but hard to go wrong with either guy.

Sure, but there’s no actual credible source saying we would have taken Stutzle.

As far as I can remember, the unanimous #1 pick has never not actually gone 1st overall. No one takes that risk.

 

[Holden Caufield]

I do not care about division titles, nor do I care about squeaking in the playoffs to get curb stomped in rd 1. I care about championships. Marner and Matthews have not delivered and frankly haven't even gotten close. And that is partly because their scoring dries up when the going gets rough. The results speak for itself. I have no time for pointing fingers at goalies or defensemen and making excuses for the players up front, when you are paying your forwards 70% of the cap and 50% to four forwards.

Same things were said about Yzerman and Fedorov throughout the mid 90’s. Too soft. Regular season type players. Who cares about winning the division.

Until they got goalies and started winning championships (When Yzerman was 30+ years old)

 

[nbwingsfan]

Wings were for sure taking Stutzle at #1 if they got that pick. No question.

Based on….?

When has a unanimous #1 pick among all polled scouts and scouting services not gone 1st?

 

[datsyukfan]

How about...

Provorov/Gavrikov - Mo
Edvinsson - Walker
AlJo - ASP
Gustafsson

Trade Chiarot

Sign me up

 

[nbwingsfan]

Gifted, you are right. But he is not successful. He would certainly help getting us to the dance, but when there he disappears with some bat-faced girl under the bleechers and is MIA. No interest, especially at 13mil or more. With that money you can revamp the entire defense.

Revamp the entire D how though… have you seen the UFA D available?

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Same things were said about Yzerman and Fedorov throughout the mid 90’s. Too soft. Regular season type players. Who cares about winning the division.

Until they got goalies and started winning championships (When Yzerman was 30+ years old)

Pretty sure Vernon got there in 94. The glue or missing peace was Shanahan btw.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Based on….?

When has a unanimous #1 pick among all polled scouts and scouting services not gone 1st?

Positional need, friendship with our defense cornerstone drafted a year prior, Steve Yzerman rarely takes a consensus pick.

 

[FMichael]

Marner isn't coming to Detroit. If he did want to then Yzerman will pay him. He isn't get 15 million from anybody in my opinion... depending where he wants to go 12 to 13.5 is my prediction.

Well he certainly won't grace us with his presence with that attitude

 

[Winger98]

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Pretty sure Vernon got there in 94. The glue or missing peace was Shanahan btw.

It was Murphy and his hot dogs.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Revamp the entire D how though… have you seen the UFA D available?

Depends on how much change you want and how quickly. We agree on ASP making this team? Then I think you get 1 dman (Provorov or Gavrikov) in UFA and acquire another via trade. Ship out Chiarot in that case.

If you want to keep more of your powder, then you sign either a UFA or you trade for a dmen and keep Chiarot. But that would mean AlJo or ASP have to shoulder top4 minutes. Cuz Chiarot should play bottom pair IMO.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Positional need, friendship with our defense cornerstone drafted a year prior, Steve Yzerman rarely takes a consensus pick.

No one drafts a player because they’re friends with someone

I’ll ask again, when has a unanimous #1 not gone 1st? There is a MASSIVE difference in going off the board later in the 1st versus the 1st overall pick.

You can’t just say he wouldn’t have picked him because you have a gut feeling lol.

He went with the consensus on ASP, Raymond and MBN. Same with Drouin and Connelly with Tampa

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

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It was Murphy and his hot dogs.

Or the arrival of Craig Janney's wife in Detroit, powered by Big Dick Energy á la Irishman.

 

[Air Budd Dwyer]

In the last 6 years including this one Detroit has finished 8th, 7th, 6th, 7th, 5th and 6th. That is not progression that is absolutely pathetic.

Comparing the current Wings to the 90s Wings couldn't be more far off. The Wings in the 90s were constantly one of the best teams in the NHL. They had 2 bad years and then every year had well over 90 points most year had 100 plus points.

You don't care about those signings eh. Those terrible signings and trades have cost the Wings the playoffs for a second year in a row.

They had more points in 20-21 than 19-20, more points in 21-22 than 20-21, more points in 22-23 than 21-22, etc. If you were to put that on a graph, it would make an ascending straight line from left to right.

And I’m making that comparison to show even with CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER teams, there are still setbacks. Why wouldn’t there also be setbacks with a team that’s in the thick of a rebuild?

No, I couldn’t care less about Yzerman’s free agent signings at this stage. He has to ice a team, he needs to sometimes bring in players that aren’t just AHL level talent to do so. Compher, Copp, Tarasenko, Holl, Talbot, etc. will not be on this team when they have championship aspirations. Now, if in 4 years he’s signing bleh players, I’ll have an issue with it. This team doesn’t even have their goalie yet. Yzerman isn’t going to give a hoot about this team just making the playoffs before Cossa (I think Augustine will be the better goalie) is the full time starter in net.

I think this rebuild is on the timeline that it takes for drafted goalies to become NHL players. I actually think it’s really obvious. Unfortunately for the impatient, most goalies take a while to develop.

 

[Bondurant]

 

[Go Wings]

They had more points in 20-21 than 19-20, more points in 21-22 than 20-21, more points in 22-23 than 21-22, etc. If you were to put that on a graph, it would make an ascending straight line from left to right.

And I’m making that comparison to show even with CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER teams, there are still setbacks. Why wouldn’t there also be setbacks with a team that’s in the thick of a rebuild?

No, I couldn’t care less about Yzerman’s free agent signings at this stage. He has to ice a team, he needs to sometimes bring in players that aren’t just AHL level talent to do so. Compher, Copp, Tarasenko, Holl, Talbot, etc. will not be on this team when they have championship aspirations. Now, if in 4 years he’s signing bleh players, I’ll have an issue with it. This team doesn’t even have their goalie yet. Yzerman isn’t going to give a hoot about this team just making the playoffs before Cossa (I think Augustine will be the better goalie) is the full time starter in net.

I think this rebuild is on the timeline that it takes for drafted goalies to become NHL players. I actually think it’s really obvious. Unfortunately for the impatient, most goalies take a while to develop.

Ah yes a nice point progression when they have finished 5th once in the last 6 years what amazing progress.

Serious question do you work for the government? You sound like you would be amazing at it. We are year 6 in the project and well we put the footings in but that's about it. But don't worry the structure will be built soon!

Cossa is now blocked by the amazing Mrazek and Augustine went back to college because they didn't have room for him in GR. We might have a starting goalie in what 2-4 years of Yzerman doesn't sign anymore bums to block them.

The way Yzerman signs players they won't make the playoffs next year either.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Odd that we have more regulation wins this year than last year. Just won more OT games.

 

[Squirrel in the Hole]

I think we need to be realistic. Ottawa, Montreal and Columbus are now ahead of us in the rebuild we started 6 years ago. You can debate the reasons, but the facts still remain.

 

[Winger98]

Based on….?

When has a unanimous #1 pick among all polled scouts and scouting services not gone 1st?

I do this knowing you're just going to go into the weeds of how consensus of a pick it was but 2022 with Shane Wright. Slaf was seen as a bit of a surprise and then Wright slid two more spots to fourth.

 

[datsyukfan]

Ah yes a nice point progression when they have finished 5th once in the last 6 years what amazing progress.

Serious question do you work for the government? You sound like you would be amazing at it. We are year 6 in the project and well we put the footings in but that's about it. But don't worry the structure will be built soon!

Cossa is now blocked by the amazing Mrazek and Augustine went back to college because they didn't have room for him in GR. We might have a starting goalie in what 2-4 years of Yzerman doesn't sign anymore bums to block them.

The way Yzerman signs players they won't make the playoffs next year either.

Guarantee ASP will start in GR, absolutely pathetic

 

[Ulysses31]

Marner isn't coming to Detroit. If he did want to then Yzerman will pay him. He isn't get 15 million from anybody in my opinion... depending where he wants to go 12 to 13.5 is my prediction.

ill be the first to dunk on myself if im wrong but im 90% certain it will be 14x8 from the leafs if he stays there or 15+x7 if he signs as a UFA assuming he signs for max term.

obv just my opinion/estimation but will be intereeting to see where and what he signs for.