GDT: Game 77: Red Wings at habs 7:00 pm et 4/8/25

[FMichael]

you fellas think? gonna b at least 15x8 IMO if he becomes a UFA if not more.

Gonna be that guy...If Marner goes UFA and signs elsewhere the most he'll get in contract length is 7 years...

 

[Ulysses31]

Who cares.
Holl, Tarasenko and Compher make like 14M and they all suck.

Why not overpay an actual good player for a change?

That said, no chance Marner would want to sign here. That is a dreamworld just imagining we have a chance…

hmm would i do it? Its a tough call IMO. Marner excellent player but certainly would b taking a sledgehammer to the teams cap structure. Also if boston, NYI, BJs get him it will be that much more difficult to make the POs in the coming years.

As for SY I kind of doubt he would throw 15+x7 at marner, which is what it will probably cost to get him here.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Mitch Marner is one of the best offensive players in the league. Why would that be "sad, but true?" On all but like four teams, he'd probably be the most offensively gifted player.

Gifted, you are right. But he is not successful. He would certainly help getting us to the dance, but when there he disappears with some bat-faced girl under the bleechers and is MIA. No interest, especially at 13mil or more. With that money you can revamp the entire defense.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Our best player is Larkin. That’s why you’re only better than 6 teams year in year out

Gotta be honest I don’t think he was our best player last season (Raymond) or this year (Raymond+Debrincat).

Still think the team’s bottom 5 players is a far bigger problem than the top 5. Even this game is a good example. I don’t think it was their top players outplaying ours, it was them taking advantage of our depth guys.

 

[Winger98]

I mean how much would winning the lottery really have helped us? Lafrenière is clearly a step below Raymond, and it’s 50/50 is Hughes is really more valuable than Seider with how much time he has missed.

Not falling back when we had Holland would have helped, but he’s not exactly known to make great draft decisions either

I'm not sure we take Lafreniere. I think the Wings were reportedly very high on Stutzle, and I wouldn't have been surprised to see them take him 1st.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Got to do something with the defense. I think most expected or thought the same our last exit but it got worse. Everything about the offseason was weird with Walman and Trouba. Gus can stay as a number 7 at the maximum, Holl has got to go and I'm not a big Petry hater but he will be a year older so adios Jefe.

I can't watch anymore.

Not Chiarot-Seider
Ed-ASP/AlJo/someone not Petry or Holl
Chiarot-Not Petry or Holl
Gus

 

[KJoe88]

Yup. If we win, I hope we win out.

If we lose ... tank tank tank cuz it’s all over.

Good season boys. See you at the draft. Love ya.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I'm not sure we take Lafreniere. I think the Wings were reportedly very high on Stutzle, and I wouldn't have been surprised to see them take him 1st.

I mean he was the unanimous #1 on just about every single list available, including ones polling actual NHL scouts. These “reports” are typically bogus click bait.

Even if that were true, Stutzle isn’t any better than Raymond

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Who cares.
Holl, Tarasenko and Compher make like 14M and they all suck.

Why not overpay an actual good player for a change?

That said, no chance Marner would want to sign here. That is a dreamworld just imagining we have a chance…

Because he has not won anything and is a perimeter p***y in the playoffs. Although I agree that overpaying for high-end talent is certainly better than have overpaid plugs. But even those you can get rid of. Send down Holl, trade Tarasenko for future considerations. See if Compher bounces back (horrific drop-off by him), and if not send him away with some retention and a 4th.

That is still the beauty of the situation, we are flexible and do not have year-long anchor contracts.

 

[Reddwit]

I'd be more worried and fire Yzerman or whatever if the kids stunk and all were busting.

Same. It’s not like the wheels have fallen off. Things are progressing slower than expected but they’re still progressing.

Steve does need a big win this off-season though in terms of trades and free agent signings. His results thus far are untenable. Calling them mediocre would be generous. I’ve been patient until now because I think an unacknowledged reality is that it’s tough to get premium free agents to sign in Detroit. I don’t think we’re a bottom of the barrel destination but our city isn’t tax free, on the beach, or a hotspot. We can’t compete with a lot of teams in off-paper benefits. But time’s up, man. There can’t be any more excuses. Something big needs to happen, and it needs to yield a major net positive in overall roster composition. Fans shouldn’t tolerate more lateral moves and incrementally small gains.

 

[Oddbob]

Pathetic!

 

[Winger98]

I mean he was the unanimous #1 on just about every single list available, including ones polling actual NHL scouts. These “reports” are typically bogus click bait.

Even if that were true, Stutzle isn’t any better than Raymond

And Yzerman has shown he's more than willing to draft who he likes, not necessarily the consensus pick. I think Stutzle is more an Yzerman pick than Laf, and just plugging in whoever was picked 1st isn't necessarily who the Wings would have taken.

Maybe. I prefer the center just because of the position but hard to go wrong with either guy.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

Wings were for sure taking Stutzle at #1 if they got that pick. No question.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Got to do something with the defense. I think most expected or thought the same our last exit but it got worse. Everything about the offseason was weird with Walman and Trouba. Gus can stay as a number 7 at the maximum, Holl has got to go and I'm not a big Petry hater but he will be a year older so adios Jefe.

I can't watch anymore.

Not Chiarot-Seider
Ed-ASP/AlJo/someone not Petry or Holl
Chiarot-Not Petry or Holl
Gus

How about...

Provorov/Gavrikov - Mo
Edvinsson - Walker
AlJo - ASP
Gustafsson

Trade Chiarot

 

[Father Roy Richards]

GG boys

 

[Holden Caufield]

Because he has not won anything and is a perimeter p***y in the playoffs. Although I agree that overpaying for high-end talent is certainly better than have overpaid plugs. But even those you can get rid of. Send down Holl, trade Tarasenko for future considerations. See if Compher bounces back (horrific drop-off by him), and if not send him away with some retention and a 4th.

That is still the beauty of the situation, we are flexible and do not have year-long anchor contracts.

Toronto has no goaltending or Defense for years. But It’s Marner’s fault ?

Marner scores at same rate as Matthews in playoffs….

He won a Memorial Cup and was named MVP. Won the 4 nations…

 

[datsyukfan]

And ya lose your last chance at the playoffs cuz some kid thinks he is too cool to tighten his chin strap lol

Oh good god, I’ve seen his helmet come off a grand total of 0 times this year before tonight. What a ridiculous comment

 

[JoesuffP]

Trying to think of a franchise center whose accomplished less than Larkin?

 

[FMichael]

hmm would i do it? Its a tough call IMO. Marner excellent player but certainly would b taking a sledgehammer to the teams cap structure. Also if boston, NYI, BJs get him it will be that much more difficult to make the POs in the coming years.

As for SY I kind of doubt he would throw 15+x7 at marner, which is what it will probably cost to get him here.

Good point on Marner signing with a Eastern Conference rival - watch Boston make a few moves to free up space, or did Mitch happen to have Buffalo Sabres pajamas?

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

Toronto has no goaltending or Defense for years. But It’s Marner’s fault ?

Marner scores at same rate as Matthews in playoffs….

He won a Memorial Cup and was named MVP. Won the 4 nations…

Right, the same as Matthews, who is also not good enough in the playoffs. Roughly 70pts in 80+ games each is not good enough for 13mil players. They have been outta the 1st rd once. And why is their goaltending subpar? Because the playoff non-performers Matthews and Marner eat up all the cap space.

HE did not win the 4 nations, Canada did. Without a salary cap. Do not care about trophies in junior.

Watch back some Leafs playoff games of the past. He is soft and did not produce, when it mattered.

 

[datsyukfan]

And this is why I’m still in on Yzerman. I don’t really care about players he’s been signing the last handful of years because they’re irrelevant to the long term plan here. The best players on this team are either his picks/Cat. And the prospects are looking good while they develop. Up until this season, we had seen linear progression. Every team that rebuilds has setbacks that they then need to overcome. The Wings did it in the 90’s losing to SJ, NJ, and Colorado before cashing in.

The problem is he has exactly 0 superstar talents. If you aren’t going to have any superstars you aren’t going to win. He needs to find a way to get one and stop throwing money at awful players. You guys are crazy if you aren’t all in on Marner. Don’t care what the price is you have to get a superstar or you have no chance

 

[Winger98]

Right, the same as Matthews, who is also not good enough in the playoffs. Roughly 70pts in 80+ games each is not good enough for 13mil players. They have been outta the 1st rd once. And why is their goaltending subpar? Because the playoff non-performers Matthews and Marner eat up all the cap space.

They ate that much cap space because their gm got stupid with his contracts and then went after Taveras to boot despite having bigger needs elsewhere.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

They ate that much cap space because their gm got stupid with his contracts and then went after Taveras to boot despite having bigger needs elsewhere.

That is certainly part of the problem, but does not change the fact that he was vastly overpaid as a winger to begin with. Do not know what he demands these days, but for 15 f***in million dollars I expect a proven playoff performer. That is almost twice Rayomonds salary.

 

[FMichael]

I'm not sure we take Lafreniere. I think the Wings were reportedly very high on Stutzle, and I wouldn't have been surprised to see them take him 1st.

This...I'm certain Stutzle would've been a Red Wing if he were available.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Right, the same as Matthews, who is also not good enough in the playoffs. Roughly 70pts in 80+ games each is not good enough for 13mil players. They have been outta the 1st rd once. And why is their goaltending subpar? Because the playoff non-performers Matthews and Marner eat up all the cap space.

HE did not win the 4 nations, Canada did. Without a salary cap. Do not care about trophies in junior.

Watch back some Leafs playoff games of the past. He is soft and did not produce, when it mattered.

Right… Marner and Matthew’s suck.
Leafs are probably winning the division because of Joseph Woll and Chris Tanev.