GDT: Game # 72 - New York Rangers vs Pittsburgh Penguins - 7pm EST - ESPN+/Hulu ( Battle for Home ice edition)

[SnowblindNYR]

It's been all of them. Our PP has inflated Zibs, Fox and Panarin when they weren't playing well

For years we were hoping for a good PP, we finally get one and all we talk about is how it shouldn't count or something.

 

[Machinehead]

right, but if I got 75 Rangers games on ESPN+ I would cancel their cable, keep their internet and they lose about $100 a month

No, it's all literally the same company.

ESPN is owned by Disney. Hulu is owned by Disney. ABC is owned by Disney. Probably 75% of nationally televised sporting events you've ever watched are owned by Disney (and like, 95% of movies).

They have a contract with Verizon worth many billions of dollars to offer that content so you're getting it even if you cancel the cable, and Verizon is getting paid to offer it as part of their internet package. The other telecom company (and by that I mean THE other one) AT&T is in talks to secure a contract with *checks notes* Disney.

You don't actually have a choice and neither does anybody else because Walt Disney Incorporated basically owns most of entertainment.

The Rangers are unique in that they have their "own" network but it's only a matter of time before we get the MSG streaming service or a partnership with an existing service because that's the way it's going.

By the time Lafreniere's career is over, "tv" will be a relic of the past.

 

[17futurecap]

People should be happy it’s only one streaming service right now, if you want to watch every Yankees game this year you need Amazon, Peacock and Apple TV, along with YES, ESPN and FS1.

 

[duhmetreE]

For years we were hoping for a good PP, we finally get one and all we talk about is how it shouldn't count or something.

No. It's that it's not really conducive to how they've been playing 5v5.

Pointing to point totals which are predominantly because of a top PP do not dismiss 5v5 concerns with our top players. At this point it's Fox dragging behind. This is the worst he's looked in his NHL career. If I were just to look at his gamelog/point totals, it would not reflect that.

Same can be said for Zibs to start the year

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This is more than a bit misleading.

It's "team" not "teams" and that team is Vegas.

Like, yeah, Vegas have won more series in the last four years than any team but Tampa. If they get in and start with that clean slate, they're instantly one of the contenders.

They also have like 50% chance of making the playoffs and that should be factored in the calculation. We have 4 more points tan the Penguins, so we are in the driver's seat for home ice in the first round and the Pens have a 70%+ chance of winning in the first round. How are they determining odds? Fancy stats?

 

[Chaels Arms]

Speaking of streaming, are our playoffs games going to be on MSG or ESPN+ or something else?

 

[Kane One]

Speaking of streaming, are our playoffs games going to be on MSG or ESPN+ or something else?

First round is still MSG, however ESPN could probably decide to take a game or two. I believe ESPN has the rights to half of all first round games, however I’m not sure what percentage of that are exclusive rights.

 

[Machinehead]

They also have like 50% chance of making the playoffs and that should be factored in the calculation. We have 4 more points tan the Penguins, so we are in the driver's seat for home ice in the first round and the Pens have a 70%+ chance of winning in the first round. How are they determining odds? Fancy stats?

As far as I know they use expected goals and shot metrics for the whole season, which...you know how those look.

I do think we've been better since the deadline.

 

[JimmyG89]

Speaking of streaming, are our playoffs games going to be on MSG or ESPN+ or something else?

We should be set for the 1st round all games on MSG unless it is a nationally televised game on ABC or TNT/TBS. Usually those are the weekend games.

The local networks always get round 1. Once they get to Round 2 it is all nationally televised.

The good news is that the NBA playoffs are starting very soon. Round 1 should be over before the Stanley Cup playoffs begin, so less games there.

My concern is in Round 1 for out of market fans. NBC figured out a way to use all their channels to have every playoff game on TV and not streamed only. TNT has TBS and TruTV that can be used (think the NCAA tourney).

ESPN has multiple channels, including ESPNNews, ESPNU, ESPN2, but because ESPN+ has been their selling point, will that be used as overflow for those out of the market.

This is the only thing I could find about that: Stanley Cup Playoffs TV schedule

 

[romba]

There was a study that was quoted on fivethirtyeight.com (A Home Playoff Game Is A Big Advantage — Unless You Play Hockey), but they found that home ice actually had very little effect in the NHL playoffs as a whole. I think part of it is the format the teams play (2-2-1-1-1) and part of it is that due to the relatively low scoring in hockey, that luck and skill can play a greater factor in overcoming any slight advantages

Same reason 8 seeds beat 1 seeds, or take them far in the series regularly. Once you get to playoffs, teams are very closely matched, lack of pentalties muck up the play, and skill actually is less of a factor than normally, especially compared to other sports. It’s really a coin toss sometimes, so home or away makes no difference.

 

[romba]

They also have like 50% chance of making the playoffs and that should be factored in the calculation. We have 4 more points tan the Penguins, so we are in the driver's seat for home ice in the first round and the Pens have a 70%+ chance of winning in the first round. How are they determining odds? Fancy stats?

Don’t be pissed, just use it to get rich!

 

[LORDE]

No, it's all literally the same company.

ESPN is owned by Disney. Hulu is owned by Disney. ABC is owned by Disney. Probably 75% of nationally televised sporting events you've ever watched are owned by Disney (and like, 95% of movies).

They have a contract with Verizon worth many billions of dollars to offer that content so you're getting it even if you cancel the cable, and Verizon is getting paid to offer it as part of their internet package. The other telecom company (and by that I mean THE other one) AT&T is in talks to secure a contract with *checks notes* Disney.

You don't actually have a choice and neither does anybody else because Walt Disney Incorporated basically owns most of entertainment.

The Rangers are unique in that they have their "own" network but it's only a matter of time before we get the MSG streaming service or a partnership with an existing service because that's the way it's going.

By the time Lafreniere's career is over, "tv" will be a relic of the past.

This sadly.

My career is ending pre-maturely because of TV evolution, and COVID escalation

Anyone and everyone can be an analyst or host from anywhere.

My time has come and I thought I'd be the last of my generation to make a living off of it.

NOPE

 

[Kane One]

No, it's all literally the same company.

ESPN is owned by Disney. Hulu is owned by Disney. ABC is owned by Disney. Probably 75% of nationally televised sporting events you've ever watched are owned by Disney (and like, 95% of movies).

They have a contract with Verizon worth many billions of dollars to offer that content so you're getting it even if you cancel the cable, and Verizon is getting paid to offer it as part of their internet package. The other telecom company (and by that I mean THE other one) AT&T is in talks to secure a contract with *checks notes* Disney.

You don't actually have a choice and neither does anybody else because Walt Disney Incorporated basically owns most of entertainment.

The Rangers are unique in that they have their "own" network but it's only a matter of time before we get the MSG streaming service or a partnership with an existing service because that's the way it's going.

By the time Lafreniere's career is over, "tv" will be a relic of the past.

How are the Rangers unique here? Disney doesn’t own RSNs.

Disney was forced to sell the Fox Sports RSNs once they bought it in the Fox Entertainment deal.

MSG is no different than the regional Bally Sports, NBC Sports, YES, SNY, NESN, MASN, and whatever else there is.

 

[Machinehead]

How is MSG unique here? Disney doesn’t own RSNs.

Disney was forced to sell the Fox Sports RSNs once they bought it in the Fox Entertainment deal.

The Rangers are unique in the sense that they're not under the local Fox banner which most teams are.

And those teams will end up on a Fox-affiliated streaming service.

That's the way it's going and the cable companies are very much here for it. People used to say the newspapers would go out of business. They all just adapted to the new format.

 

[Kane One]

The Rangers are unique in the sense that they're not under the local Fox banner which most teams are.

And those teams will end up on a Fox-affiliated streaming service.

That's the way it's going and the cable companies are very much here for it. People used to say the newspapers would go out of business. They all just adapted to the new format.

The MLB is in discussions with different leagues to create region-specific streaming services to finally end blackouts. So in NY, we can hypothetically have all the teams here in one package.

The MLB notably created MLB.tv and the underlying software for it under their MLB Advanced Media brand, which has since been sold to, you guessed it, Disney.

Also note that Fox Sports RSNs no longer exist and are now Bally Sports. So it has nothing to do with Fox or Disney.

 

[GG96]

NHL66 boys. All of them. Cast them.

 

[Gluten Free Breadman]

It’s a shame that he didn’t get the opportunity to crack 100pts either of the last two shortened seasons, makes his career stats look so much less impressive through no fault of his own having his two absolute peak seasons those two years. He came so close (95pts) in only 69 games, that’s a 113pt pace. Then last year paced for 113 as well lol. This year he’s on pace for exactly 100. But as of late he’s producing at a much higher rate, he needs 16pts in 11 games to pull it off. Definitely possible.

To add: Panarin is playing in his 500th NHL game tonight, 177 of which have been with the Rangers. In those 177 games he has 237 points. That's 1.34 points per game or 110 pace per 82.

Panarin has been our best player since he joined the team and has been our best skater since Jagr. Zibanejad had paced for 59 goals, Kreider is on pace for 54, Fox has a Norris, and Igor may win the Vezina, but Panarin, I think is above our other stars in terms of his skill. He is so good at stick handling and protecting the puck, making perfect passes and shots. I think we all forget how good he is sometimes and expect a perfect game from him every night. The simple things this guy does just amaze me all the time. Here's to 500 more games.

I love this highlight video about him even if the music is annoying.

 

[EdJovanovski]

To add: Panarin is playing in his 500th NHL game tonight, 177 of which have been with the Rangers. In those 177 games he has 237 points. That's 1.34 points per game or 110 pace per 82.

Panarin has been our best player since he joined the team and has been our best skater since Jagr. Zibanejad had paced for 59 goals, Kreider is on pace for 54, Fox has a Norris, and Igor may win the Vezina, but Panarin, I think is above our other stars in terms of his skill. He is so good at stick handling and protecting the puck, making perfect passes and shots. I think we all forget how good he is sometimes and expect a perfect game from him every night. The simple things this guy does just amaze me all the time. Here's to 500 more games.

I love this highlight video about him even if the music is annoying.

Soooo underrated. I always say this but there are so many GDT’s where our fans are complaining about Panarin and then I go to the opposing teams GDT and everyone is fawning over Panarin that very same game. We definitely take him for granted, he is so much better than Fox to me. May also be that I’m not from New York so it’s less sentimental for me, I feel a lot of fans overrate Fox because of his backstory in all honesty. Not saying he isn’t excellent but I think Panarin is on another level. I could dig up old posts of mine when Panarin was still on the Jackets where I said even if Panarin isn’t the best player in the league, he’s my favorite player in the league to watch. He is so skilled and plays the game in a beautiful way, you can tell how much fun he has playing hockey. His hands are right there with Kane’s as the greatest in the game IMO.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Prediction: The Pens get several calls and non calls in their favor tonight

 

[duhmetreE]

The MLB is in discussions with different leagues to create region-specific streaming services to finally end blackouts. So in NY, we can hypothetically have all the teams here in one package.

The MLB notably created MLB.tv and the underlying software for it under their MLB Advanced Media brand, which has since been sold to, you guessed it, Disney.

Also note that Fox Sports RSNs no longer exist and are now Bally Sports. So it has nothing to do with Fox or Disney.

But you get free streaming of the RSNs with a Gym Membership

 

[GAGLine]

Prediction: The Pens get several calls and non calls in their favor tonight

You're really going out on a limb there.

 

[duhmetreE]

last time Reaves didn't play against Pittsburgh, they started taking cheapshots and swinging their purses.

We'll see if the same thing happens tonight

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Game Day Media Availability. Coach Gerard Gallant.

 

[Fitzy]

GG has so much more patience with reporters than Torts has, but you can still tell when he's exasperated.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Anyone have a free stream for tonight's game?