Post-Game Talk: Game #70: Canucks defeat Luongo and the Panthers 4-3 in the shootout
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Wilch
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You guys are probably right, but ugh, what a depressing thought-- Some retool that is. The only significant player leaving is the only guy who played well the entire year, is our biggest gamebreaker, the guy with the fewest weaknesses, and is the youngest guy in our core.
I'd prefer if Bieksa and Garrison were among the ones shipped out, personally.
I tried to play it. I only made it through the first section but it just seemed terrible.
So, Jensen is emerging as a potential long term fixture in our top six. I am so stoked we didn't drop him for picks or as part of a package for an older player.
A healthy team looks deadly, on paper anyway:
Daniel-Henrik-Kassian
Burrows-Kesler-Jensen (this line would be golden the way Kesler was and Burrows and Jensen are now playing)
Higgins-Matthias-Hansen
Booth-Santorelli(for depth purposes, let's be real here, Santo's not on our 4th line...)-Richardson
Sestito, Dalpe, Archibald, Schroeder(see notes on Santo), Lain, Greiner...whoever
The hypetrain asks:
Could Jensen be the "One" top six forward we were looking for all along?
Nah, but good on the kid, he's helped kick his teammates in the arse to get them moving, and he's seeing some production after adjusting to the NHL.
A healthy team looks deadly, on paper anyway:
Daniel-Henrik-Kassian
Burrows-Kesler-Jensen (this line would be golden the way Kesler was and Burrows and Jensen are now playing)
Higgins-Matthias-Hansen
Booth-Santorelli(for depth purposes, let's be real here, Santo's not on our 4th line...)-Richardson
Sestito, Dalpe, Archibald, Schroeder(see notes on Santo), Lain, Greiner...whoever
The hypetrain asks:
Could Jensen be the "One" top six forward we were looking for all along?
Nah, but good on the kid, he's helped kick his teammates in the arse to get them moving, and he's seeing some production after adjusting to the NHL.
The Bob Cole
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From January until Olympic break, he spent ~45% of his even strength minutes playing with Kes on the 2nd line. He was starting to get more opportunities. Coming out of the break he was moved up and down the entire lineup due to injuries, and looked ok, but not amazing. Then he made the stupid hit.
I don't agree with his use, but this is what I am trying to say. Torts is using old coaching techniques to prove to Kassian what he needs to do for the team, in order to be a top player on it. He started to earn the trust, but I think he lost much of it with the suspension. Not my preference, but that's how it looks like he's being treated.
For all the love Jensen is getting, don't forget, Jason King. (Yes, I know different pedigree, but don't forget your opinion of Jensen just 2 months ago, either.)
A few games do not make him a fixture, or a reliable one, in our top 6 next year.
Unless we purposely go in with a young lineup for a 'rebuild', would be foolish to expect to rely on him as a productive top 6 winger.
Let's put things in proper perspective. Tanks do not occur because management orders players to play bad on purpose. Tanks are coordinated attempts by the higher ups in the organization. The product they put on the ice leads to the so called "tank". They can trade away necessary parts to winning a la Schneider and Luongo and receive draft picks, not ready prospects, and throw ins with a single year left on their contracts in return e.g. Halak and Markstrom, and fill out the remainder of the lineup with call-ups, newly signed prospects out of college, and maybe a European pickup or two. If they are still not bad enough, rearrange the call-ups for lesser talent replacements.
Buffalo has carried out this plan brilliantly. Their players and coaches kept working every game to find a way to win and then at the trade deadline they were weakened even further with more trades. Thye also leave their top drafts in Jrs. until they have to leave and then send them to the AHL for more development. The players can't win no matter how hard they try as the talent pool just isn't there. Next season they will be just as bad. That's a tank and the players have nothing to do with losing on purpose.
Then the hope is to bring in the developed prospects, their tank acquired top picks, a top UFA or two and combine them with the core of top talent they have left after the contracts run out on the guys they don't want and they send the not so good AHLers back down and now play to win. They'll tweak the squad as play dictates who isn't going to answer their needs and hope to contend for years to come. Buffalo will be at the point of unveiling their new look in the 2015-16 campaign.
At this stage of the game finishing in the bottom five this season with all the talent they bring back to start next season would not constitute a true tank. It's just a word being thrown around for lack of a better word for what they'd like to see in the short term, a high draft pick in this year's draft which is felt to fall off quickly after the first few picks.
So, Jensen is emerging as a potential long term fixture in our top six. I am so stoked we didn't drop him for picks or as part of a package for an older player.
A healthy team looks deadly, on paper anyway:
Daniel-Henrik-Kassian
Burrows-Kesler-Jensen (this line would be golden the way Kesler was and Burrows and Jensen are now playing)
Higgins-Matthias-Hansen
Booth-Santorelli(for depth purposes, let's be real here, Santo's not on our 4th line...)-Richardson
Sestito, Dalpe, Archibald, Schroeder(see notes on Santo), Lain, Greiner...whoever
The hypetrain asks:
Could Jensen be the "One" top six forward we were looking for all along?
Nah, but good on the kid, he's helped kick his teammates in the arse to get them moving, and he's seeing some production after adjusting to the NHL.
IMO we split the sedins
Burrs-Hank-Jensen
Dank-Kesler-Kassian
That way we have good trigger men and playmakers distributed throughout our top six
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mossey3535
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The thing with Jensen watching him these past few games is that I haven't seen him make that kind of head-scratching completely brain dead mistake that Kassian has made on and off all year.
I am cheering for Kassian and he has come a long way this year. But he always seems to shoot himself in the foot with suspensions or idiotic decisions. And he still doesn't look great defensively.
It's not surprising to me that Jensen is tried out on the 1st line, plays decent defensively and shows some energy and as a consequence gets to stay on that line. He's already shown me more effort and hustle in these few games. Not that Zack can't do that but he is quite sporadic about it.
Now, the decision to play guys like Hansen more than Kassian is unconscionable. I'm not going to sit here and defend Tort's personnel decisions because they're a lot like AV's old personnel decisions except with a sprinkling of overuse of his first line. But Jensen deserves the opportunities he's been given IMO.
I am cheering for Kassian and he has come a long way this year. But he always seems to shoot himself in the foot with suspensions or idiotic decisions. And he still doesn't look great defensively.
It's not surprising to me that Jensen is tried out on the 1st line, plays decent defensively and shows some energy and as a consequence gets to stay on that line. He's already shown me more effort and hustle in these few games. Not that Zack can't do that but he is quite sporadic about it.
Now, the decision to play guys like Hansen more than Kassian is unconscionable. I'm not going to sit here and defend Tort's personnel decisions because they're a lot like AV's old personnel decisions except with a sprinkling of overuse of his first line. But Jensen deserves the opportunities he's been given IMO.
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Perhaps it is due to the quality of his line mates?
“(Jensen) is something we need, we need young guys to push,†Henrik said. “I see a guy who has taken a big step from last year. He’s stronger.
“You see what he’s battled through this year, and it’s important for us we let him do his thing, and when he makes mistakes we are there to cover for him.
“As long as he plays like this, we are extremely excited.â€
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/h...s+Jensen+continues+impress/9624266/story.html“You see what he’s battled through this year, and it’s important for us we let him do his thing, and when he makes mistakes we are there to cover for him.
“As long as he plays like this, we are extremely excited.â€
mossey3535
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Well, we could interpret that like Kassian's linemates aren't willing to let him do his thing and cover for him when he makes mistake...
Or we could realize that trying to dangle around two guys at your own blueline when you're last man back isn't a function of your linemates.
Again, I like Kassian. But he makes dumb decisions, fairly often. That frequency is going down, but I'm not surprised he hasn't been promoted to the top line.
It's not top line or bust for me, I just think he has proven that he deserves more ice time than Hansen. The makeshift top line we have going right now is doing great, so I wouldn't want to split them up.
RandV
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Only thing I'd like to point out to anyone trying to apply this to Vancouver is with Buffalo it didn't happen over night. Two years ago they finished with 89 points missed the playoffs and traded Gaustad, last year they were on pace for 82 points Pominville, this year they'll finish with 50-60 points and traded Vanek, Miller, Ott.
It takes several years to dismantle a team that effectively, and what you're starting with is also a big factor. Vancouver could follow suite but they won't have the team prepped in time like Buffalo for the McDavid draft. This season we've fallen so low largely thanks to injuries, next season probably won't be as bad and even with Kesler and maybe Edler traded we'll probably finish around 10th-20th overall in the league.
Yeah, there is a reason why the coaching staff shows trepidation with him and its pretty evident when he's on the ice. Beast at protecting the puck in the o-zone, can make nice passes but his intensity and focus isn't the same in the other 2 zones. His situational hockey sense also leaves something to be desired.
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So Botchford wrote an article about the game, and a local sports writer took issue with the jabs Jason took at the game attendance. Kinda funny.
....Why? Lack isn't over worked, and he's used to playing back to back games from his AHL tenure. If Torts is going all in until we officially miss the playoffs, I fully expect him to start Lack. I fail to see how in any way that is a poor decision.
I think Torts is riding Lack because we are desperate for points right now in order for playoff push.....I sure Markstrom will play one of the "weaker" team
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