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You’re right. Here’s my hot take: this is a playoff team WITHOUT SMITH. He’s that f***ing bad. Put him in the ECHL. As the f***ing Zamboni driver.
You’re right. Here’s my hot take: this is a playoff team WITHOUT SMITH. He’s that f***ing bad. Put him in the ECHL. As the f***ing Zamboni driver.
You’re right. Here’s my hot take: this is a playoff team WITHOUT SMITH. He’s that f***ing bad. Put him in the ECHL. As the f***ing Zamboni driver.
Uhh Patty's rookie year was coming off a team that finished last in the league.It doesn’t track that Marleau, Pavs, Couture, Bernier, Michalek, Setoguchi, Meier, and on and on and on all got to ease into their careers on playoff teams?
While Smith is skating onto an ice sheet covered in dog shit?
These are, without question, the worst two sharks teams since the early 90s, cut the kid some slack.
So you're saying we're rushing Smith to the NHL because the big club is bad? That would be incredibly near sighted. I hope that's not it.Pavs - Sharks were 2nd in the Pacific when he played 16 games in the AHL.
Logan - Sharks were 1st in the Pacific when he was playing 42 games in the AHL.
Hertl - Played two games in the AHL.
So what makes Smith different?
- He is a higher rated prospect.
- Team is much worse than when those players were developing.
- The three players mentioned played a total of 60 games in the AHL.
His issues with speed and read of the game is better developed in the NHL IMO. He isn't going to magically gain size, so the AHL is no benefit there. He needs to get NHL game speed built up - which won't be done in the AHL.
All the more reason to send him to the A. You walked right into that one.Logan went 9th and that is the only thing that matters as far as pedigree. And again it cannot be overstated how much not having Celebrini is messing things up for Smith at this time. Logan had Joe f***in Thornton dominating above him and Ryane Clowe crushing anything in the vicinity. Smith has absolutely no one as good as either of those guys, let alone the other players that populated the top 6 when Logan came in.
This is a good question. Let me clarify: I'm not saying send him down because he is bad or causing the team to lose. I'm saying send him down because playing on this loser team is bad for his development and developing the kids is all that really matters this season.Who cares? It's not as if he's blocking someone who deserves his spot more. The critique of Smith is that he's not standing out from all the other Sharks that haven't scored yet.
How’d they finish in his rookie season? Think this team can come close to that?Uhh Patty's rookie year was coming off a team that finished last in the league.
You can't act like he's the first highly touted C prospect we've had step into a terrible team when he's living with a guy who literally had that same story and fared much better (so far) in a much lower scoring era.
I’m actually saying Couture and Pavs didn’t come straight into the NHL because there were established NHLers ahead of them. I don’t think Pavs 16 game stint really developed his game. In fact he developed whilst in the NHL.So you're saying we're rushing Smith to the NHL because the big club is bad? That would be incredibly near sighted. I hope that's not it.
Also, Hertl played a couple of years in a pro men's league before coming to NA.
And I keep saying it, but Smith was not a higher rated prospect than Couture.
Lastly, I think it's Elliot Friedman who often say this (or someone on 32 Thoughts) but the NHL is not a development league. We've got to get out of that mindset. You come here when you are ready to play not to get ready to play.
It’s been 6 games. Smith has the skill to play in the NHL. It’s perfectly fine to be patient with him. Marleau and Couture both had 6 points after 20 games in their rookie seasons. Let’s see where Smith is at that benchmark.So you're saying we're rushing Smith to the NHL because the big club is bad? That would be incredibly near sighted. I hope that's not it.
Also, Hertl played a couple of years in a pro men's league before coming to NA.
And I keep saying it, but Smith was not a higher rated prospect than Couture.
Lastly, I think it's Elliot Friedman who often say this (or someone on 32 Thoughts) but the NHL is not a development league. We've got to get out of that mindset. You come here when you are ready to play not to get ready to play.
All the more reason to send him to the A. You walked right into that one.
No. The point of that was to show why Couture and Pavs (Marleau was a 2nd OA, not equivalent pedigree) seemed to fare much better when making the transition, they were in so much more of a position to put up numbers. Smith is not at this time a 1C so without benefiting from playing behind an actual 1C (Granlund is a margin 1C at best), he is going to do worse than he will when there is an impact 1C ahead of him.All the more reason to send him to the A. You walked right into that one.
Boy, meet whip.Why are some dumping on Smith when most the team played like crap?
The only argument for not having Askarov up here right now is the trauma that he would suffer playing behind this defense. In terms of actual goaltending ability, he is far better than Blackwood and Vanacek. If he has the mental toughness to put up with all the high quality chances that our defense gives up and still be cocky afterwards, he should be up here right now.This is a good question. Let me clarify: I'm not saying send him down because he is bad or causing the team to lose. I'm saying send him down because playing on this loser team is bad for his development and developing the kids is all that really matters this season.
Everyone seems to get this with Askarov. I don't know why there seems to be some disconnect when we think about Smith.
He's a Stanley Cup Champion and therefore Knows How to Win.It really annoyed me a few games ago when he said "it (the bench) felt like last year". If that's the attitude he is taking into the room and on the bench, then what exactly is he contributing because it certainly doesn't seem to be energy on the ice or on the bench.
I thought MAC was Scottish and MC was Irish...Also I feel it important to belatedly weigh in on all the duck-related posts from earlier:
Scrooge McDuck is Scottish, not Irish.
I disagree with the bolded (the A will definitely help him with size/physicality, maybe not as much with speed but I bet it would help at least a bit with that). But I could see where you would disagree.I’m actually saying Couture and Pavs didn’t come straight into the NHL because there were established NHLers ahead of them. I don’t think Pavs 16 game stint really developed his game. In fact he developed whilst in the NHL.
You’re correct - the NHL is not a development league. But it’s also an assumption a player can’t develop in the NHL. What Smith needs to improve needs to be done in the NHL - the AHL won’t provide it for him.
And no, Couture was not a higher rated prospect than Smith.
I believe this was the case. Nothing they can do about the major setback with that injury. But I for sure know they will thrive once Celebrini is back and Smith is probably a little more seasoned player by then.All of this has me wondering if Mike Grier wanted Smith to stay up so that him and Macklin could grow, ups and downs, together. So either of them doesn’t feel so weighted down.
This is not similar to the past. We’ve been coming out of a year down that sets things very different from other years.
Patty & Logan also came in during lower scoring eras. And neither were scoreless after 6 games. Couture probably isn't fair because he came onto a stacked team but the contrast between Patty and Smith so far has not been small IMO. From your posts, I would assume you watched rookie Marleau. How would you say they compare so far?It’s been 6 games. Smith has the skill to play in the NHL. It’s perfectly fine to be patient with him. Marleau and Couture both had 6 points after 20 games in their rookie seasons. Let’s see where Smith is at that benchmark.
Marleau didn’t really do better in his 1st 6 games, 1 assist. 2 assists in 10 games. 6 points in 20 games. 7 points in 25 games. 10 points in 30 games. 12 points in 35 games.Patty & Logan also came in during lower scoring eras. And neither were scoreless after 6 games. Couture probably isn't fair because he came onto a stacked team but the contrast between Patty and Smith so far has not been small IMO. From your posts, I would assume you watched rookie Marleau. How would you say they compare so far?
I agree on the call for patience btw, and I actually think that's my point. There's no need to rush this kid to the big club.
I was much younger back then (weren't we all? ) but from what I recall, Marleau didn't look as out of place as Smith does. He was also a full year younger than Smith. AND the NHL was a lower scoring league back then. Someone smarter than me could do the math but I would guess 10 points in 30 games back then is closer to half a point per game. For an 18 year old, one of the youngest to ever play in the league. The comparison to Smith isn't flattering IMO.Marleau didn’t really do better in his 1st 6 games, 1 assist. 2 assists in 10 games. 6 points in 20 games. 7 points in 25 games. 10 points in 30 games. 12 points in 35 games.
No but comparing Marleau's rookie season to Smith's rookie season is going to have issues because of age and the team's competitive makeup. The Sharks in 1997 were trying to make the playoffs and did so. Sutter was a lot less willing to throw an 18 year old rookie out there for a lot of situations compared to Smith getting the rope he'll get here today. Smith today is playing more so far than Marleau did then.Marleau didn’t really do better in his 1st 6 games, 1 assist. 2 assists in 10 games. 6 points in 20 games. 7 points in 25 games. 10 points in 30 games. 12 points in 35 games.