GDT: Game 61: Sharks @ Senators 4:00pm NBCSCA

[Juxtaposer]

Goodrow and Dellandrea were both seeing ice time on conference finalists less than a year ago.

Yeah, and then they got launched into orbit by those teams.

 

[Cas]

This team since October has been worse than last season’s team. If we follow the trend, I wouldn’t expect them to keep the current - I really don’t expect them to get 19 wins at this rate.

They all look like they know they’re going to lose. That’s what I’m really concerned about - there is being competitive in losses, and then there is this constant blowing of leads going into the third. This is the kind of stuff Buffalo did and they’ve never been able to get out of the cellar.

Buffalo's problem is more that they are bad at judging talent, trading away good players for bad players, drafting below expectations, and overhyping their prospects. In other words, Buffalo is bad because they have bad management.

I don't know why people keep insisting that Buffalo sucks because they have a "losing culture." Buffalo sucks because they have too many bad players.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[Hodge]

Yeah, and then they got launched into orbit by those teams.

For contract/cap purposes. Both teams replaced them with worse players.

 

[Star Platinum]

Goodrow and Dellandrea were both seeing ice time on conference finalists less than a year ago.

Dallas played 19 postseason games last year. Dellandrea was healthy scratched in 13 of those 19 games. He did have his best game of the year yesterday.

I think Goodrow will surpass expectations. With the exception of last season he has been a consistent 30 point scorer since leaving the Sharks. If Warsofsky gives him consistent 3rd line minutes with a playmaker like Wennberg or Smith he should be able to pot 10 goals and 15-20 assists.

He better get a move on. Only 21 more games.

 

[Hodge]

Dallas played 19 postseason games last year. Dellandrea was healthy scratched in 13 of those 19 games. He did have his best game of the year yesterday.


He better get a move on. Only 21 more games.

Goodrow doesn't need to score to be part of an effective fourth line. Even keeping Dellandrea-Kunin together as a unit with an eye towards finding a younger Goodrow replacement would be smart.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Goodrow doesn't need to score to be part of an effective fourth line. Even keeping Dellandrea-Kunin together as a unit with an eye towards finding a younger Goodrow replacement would be smart.

Svoboda would be a great Goodrow replacement when his contract expires.

 

[Anomie2029]

Buffalo's problem is more that they are bad at judging talent, trading away good players for bad players, drafting below expectations, and overhyping their prospects. In other words, Buffalo is bad because they have bad management.

I don't know why people keep insisting that Buffalo sucks because they have a "losing culture." Buffalo sucks because they have too many bad players.

You’re right… San Jose definitely doesn’t overhype their prospects. Thrun is the future the way the organisation talks about him, or how over-exaggerated Ferraro was for how many seasons?

Even this season we have people raving about the prospects, but the reality is all are still in junior which means they haven’t proven shit - and the Cuda aren’t exactly developing any prospects there.

Buffalo let good players/prospects go, which is their downfall. But a lot of the time it’s because prospects break out and then crash to earth after being in the culture (look at Cozens for example). It’s also funny the number of players that didn’t perform in Buffalo but were moved and then developed in better cultures teams.

It’s comparably to the nature vs nurture argument - is it culture or prospect development/talent identification. It’s both. Personally, I’m far from impressed with Sharks ability to develop players and the culture is just losing.

 

[Star Platinum]

You’re right… San Jose definitely doesn’t overhype their prospects. Thrun is the future the way the organisation talks about him, or how over-exaggerated Ferraro was for how many seasons?

Even this season we have people raving about the prospects, but the reality is all are still in junior which means they haven’t proven shit - and the Cuda aren’t exactly developing any prospects there.

Buffalo let good players/prospects go, which is their downfall. But a lot of the time it’s because prospects break out and then crash to earth after being in the culture (look at Cozens for example). It’s also funny the number of players that didn’t perform in Buffalo but were moved and then developed in better cultures teams.

It’s comparably to the nature vs nurture argument - is it culture or prospect development/talent identification. It’s both. Personally, I’m far from impressed with Sharks ability to develop players and the culture is just losing.

Which prospects that are currently on the Barracuda do you think are worth developing? I count one and only one.

This is an interesting position to take given the recent uptick in Will Smith's play that they can't develop players.

 

[Anomie2029]

Which prospects that are currently on the Barracuda do you think are worth developing? I count one and only one.

This is an interesting position to take given the recent uptick in Will Smith's play that they can't develop players.

You mean a 4th overall pick is progressing?! It'd be more of a shock if he didn't!

It's more a matter of where are the 2nd-7th round picks that are being developed? This is the real indication of a club's ability to develop. Cagnoni is potentially the only one? The lack of development in the Sharks organization has been a criticism I've held for a long-time, and there have been no changes that have made me change my mind.

Now, we can say that the previous management's drafting wasn't great, but there still should have been salvageable prospects that could have been developed into NHLers. Between Bordeleau, Guschin, Coe, Robins, etc. there should have been at least one solid NHLer.

 

[Star Platinum]

You mean a 4th overall pick is progressing?! It'd be more of a shock if he didn't!

It's more a matter of where are the 2nd-7th round picks that are being developed? This is the real indication of a club's ability to develop. Cagnoni is potentially the only one? The lack of development in the Sharks organization has been a criticism I've held for a long-time, and there have been no changes that have made me change my mind.

Now, we can say that the previous management's drafting wasn't great, but there still should have been salvageable prospects that could have been developed into NHLers. Between Bordeleau, Guschin, Coe, Robins, etc. there should have been at least one solid NHLer.

I think you're a year early on this. Next season, there are going to be three rising forwards on the AHL team. Maybe Pohlkamp as well. We'll see where those guys are in their development then.

 

[Cas]

Now, we can say that the previous management's drafting wasn't great, but there still should have been salvageable prospects that could have been developed into NHLers. Between Bordeleau, Guschin, Coe, Robins, etc. there should have been at least one solid NHLer.

Considering all of those prospects were drafted according to the same philosophy, by the same people, at the same time, I don't believe you can just assert that "there should have been at least one solid NHLer" and pin the blame on the next management team.

How do we know "there still should have been salvageable prospects" still in the system when Grier took over? Is this just a question of "we had ten prospects, surely one of them will just turn into a success?"

 

[Sharksfan66]

You mean a 4th overall pick is progressing?! It'd be more of a shock if he didn't!

It's more a matter of where are the 2nd-7th round picks that are being developed? This is the real indication of a club's ability to develop. Cagnoni is potentially the only one? The lack of development in the Sharks organization has been a criticism I've held for a long-time, and there have been no changes that have made me change my mind.

Now, we can say that the previous management's drafting wasn't great, but there still should have been salvageable prospects that could have been developed into NHLers. Between Bordeleau, Guschin, Coe, Robins, etc. there should have been at least one solid NHLer.

Could be development. Also could be drafting. All those you mentioned were DW Jr picks, right (besides the one guy who's actually looking good)? Is it possible he just wasn't very good at his job?

Will be interesting to see how Musty, Halttunen, Chernyshov, Cagnoni, LSW, Graf & co develop over the next couple of years. If we don't get at least a couple of solid NHLers there, I would be far more inclined to chalk it up to a development problem.

Considering all of those prospects were drafted according to the same philosophy, by the same people, at the same time, I don't believe you can just assert that "there should have been at least one solid NHLer" and pin the blame on the next management team.

How do we know "there still should have been salvageable prospects" still in the system when Grier took over? Is this just a question of "we had ten prospects, surely one of them will just turn into a success?"

Beat me to it. I'm hoping it was a drafting problem, because we've clearly already altered our drafting philosophy. Would suck if it is a development problem. Time will tell.