Post-Game Talk: GAME 57 - Disaster in the Third Period - Vegas 4 BRUINS 3

[Dr Hook]

I stand corrected it was a scout, but I would think Sweeney would of been pretty well aware of who he was drafting but given the results of the previous year, all bets are off.

The Bruins Admitted They Purposely Drafted A Third Line Grinder In The First Round

The Bruins' obsession with bottom-six grinders became a parody of itself at the draft.

www.cbsnews.com

"[Frederic] is not going to be a top-two-line guy, we know that," Bruins director of amateur scouting Keith Gretzky told reporters at the draft, according to Steve Conroy of the Boston Herald. "But he has some jam. He plays hard with the penalty minutes. We were fortunate to get him.

Well there you go, Keith Gretzky, the architect of the 2015 first round. There's a reason he's not with the organization any more. Anyway, JFK, Studnicka, and yes, I'll throw Frederic in there because his college coach pumped his tires as a skilled centerman, with the point being that Sweeney has tried to address the skill deficit. Senyshyn, JDB, and you can add in Poitras and Lysell. Largely unsuccessfully, as Lou pointed out and who I was initially responding to. It is worth noting, though, that he hasn't merely drafted only bottom 6 grinders with no upside like is often charged here. I'd say that is actually a strike against him as GM, however.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

I can't blame Sweeney and the scouting staff for not being able to step in shit better than some other teams.



2 one-goal games.

We must have a different definition of laid down.

As I acknowledged, it's not easy. But Don's been doing this for a long time. Since 2015, he's drafted precisely three forwards post the first round that have played in the NHL - Studnicka, Lauko and Poitras - a bust, an ok 4th liner and a we-shall-see. Plus he unearthed Brazeau, a JAG bottom 6 forward. That's it, in 9 years. Is it not reasonable to expect at least a little more than that? Yeah you can easily make excuses, and you have to look at the scouting staff too, but success demands greatness, plus a dose of luck, and I'm not sure Sweeney has had either in this regard.

 

[Bruin4]

Well there you go, Keith Gretzky, the architect of the 2015 first round. There's a reason he's not with the organization any more. Anyway, JFK, Studnicka, and yes, I'll throw Frederic in there because his college coach pumped his tires as a skilled centerman, with the point being that Sweeney has tried to address the skill deficit. Senyshyn, JDB, and you can add in Poitras and Lysell. Largely unsuccessfully, as Lou pointed out and who I was initially responding to. It is worth noting, though, that he hasn't merely drafted only bottom 6 grinders with no upside like is often charged here. I'd say that is actually a strike against him as GM, however.

You’d say a strike against the GM ? Yea, I’d say so.

He’s in charge of the draft and has final say and Gretzky did say "[Frederic] is not going to be a top-two-line guy, we know that,"

I mean everyone and their brother in the hockey world new when Frederic was picked that he wasn’t an high end offensive player and I find it hard to believe Sweeney wasn’t privy of Gretzky and the scouts opinion on their draft board. They all agreed that they were drafting a 3rd liner Sweeney included.

Same with 2015,he’s the man who says yes or no and if he has no clue on any of these players who’s on the draft boards he should of been fired years ago for pure fck stupidity on top of negligence!

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

It's been clear as day for a month now. They had a nice stretch after they canned Monty but they quickly proved again that it wasn't what this team really is. But the Bruins being sellers would be Donny admitting failure and his ego is just too big for that.

You are right about his ego and not admitting he blew it so for the optics of that they will use the word "retool" rather than rebuild so it'll probably be half measures (like moving out Freddy) rather than big moves like trading Marchand.
Lack of high end talent is so glaring though a full roster make over is what's really needed. Won't happen but it is needed.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

As I acknowledged, it's not easy. But Don's been doing this for a long time. Since 2015, he's drafted precisely three forwards post the first round that have played in the NHL - Studnicka, Lauko and Poitras - a bust, an ok 4th liner and a we-shall-see. Plus he unearthed Brazeau, a JAG bottom 6 forward. That's it, in 9 years. Is it not reasonable to expect at least a little more than that? Yeah you can easily make excuses, and you have to look at the scouting staff too, but success demands greatness, plus a dose of luck, and I'm not sure Sweeney has had either in this regard.

His 2015 1st Round picks, were arguably the three worst consecutive picks at their spots going back to the 2006 Draft.

That's generationally bad drafting. He compounded it the next 2 years drafts by taking the wrong player in Frederic and Vaak (who fell during the year).

They miss the PO, that's the main reason and he deserves to walk the plank.

 

[22Brad Park]

His 2015 1st Round picks, were arguably the three worst consecutive picks at their spots going back to the 2006 Draft.

That's generationally bad drafting. He compounded it the next 2 years drafts by taking the wrong player in Frederic and Vaak (who fell during the year).

They miss the PO, that's the main reason and he deserves to walk the plank.

Never mind walking plank ,throw him over it's quicker.

 

[EverettMike]

Well, don, I'm thinking trading Mac would be easy; however, trading his 9.5 mil contract will be virtually impossible. B's would have to eat a portion of that.
The 'tradable' players on this team may get the B's some draft choices, but not high ones.

I think this is a truly insane take.

Teams would easily take McAvoy and his contract for real assets.

I am very much worried about the stagnation of his development, which at times actually feels like a regression, but we have lost our minds on this board thinking that he's a negative value contract.

 

[LouJersey]

Outside of Washington and Florida the east is bad. How on the hell are the bruins still in it. Its bad because the absent gm and his fat partner will try to make playoffs and trade away assets for a run at playoffs. Mistake imo

yeah all these teams with the games in hand seem to stink and it's evening out. Still think the Bruins sneak in even if they sell some pieces.

 

[Number8]

I stand corrected it was a scout, but I would think Sweeney would of been pretty well aware of who he was drafting but given the results of the previous year, all bets are off.

The Bruins Admitted They Purposely Drafted A Third Line Grinder In The First Round

The Bruins' obsession with bottom-six grinders became a parody of itself at the draft.

www.cbsnews.com

"[Frederic] is not going to be a top-two-line guy, we know that," Bruins director of amateur scouting Keith Gretzky told reporters at the draft, according to Steve Conroy of the Boston Herald. "But he has some jam. He plays hard with the penalty minutes. We were fortunate to get him.

I’ve never seen this frank admission. Not sure how I missed it. Boils my blood now, though

 

[EverettMike]

I’ve never seen this frank admission. Not sure how I missed it. Boils my blood now, though

I lost my mind at the time lol.

 

[TorontLoL 67]

To me it all comes down to dysfunction. This is a dysfunctional team. Are they lacking talent? Absolutely. But they're not completely bereft of talent either. Makes me wonder what this team would look like with a quick retool (cut some dead weight), install a brand new coach with a brand new system (and brand new assistant coaches) and give them a solid off-season plus camp to try and gel as a team. Sway has the potential to be a top goaltender in the league but it seems he lacks confidence at times, maybe due to the entire team lacking confidence. They're dazed and confused a lot and I think a big portion of that comes down to coaching. Time for a fresh start, thank the Sac for his duties and send him (and the rest of his coaching staff) down the ol dusty trail.

 

[22Brad Park]

I think this is a truly insane take.

Teams would easily take McAvoy and his contract for real assets.

I am very much worried about the stagnation of his development, which at times actually feels like a regression, but we have lost our minds on this board thinking that he's a negative value contract.

Yup & especially with cap going up next 3 seasons.Marchand should draw a 1st + for sure if they went that route.Trading McAvoy to me does nothing but create another hole.

 

[Bruin4]

yeah all these teams with the games in hand seem to stink and it's evening out. Still think the Bruins sneak in even if they sell some pieces.

Have you seen the schedule in March ? 4 at home and 10 on the road, their 9-15-3 away from TD Garden, scoring 68 goals while allowing 106. I just don't see it.

 

[Bruin4]

Never mind walking plank ,throw him over it's quicker.

Nay, make it a slow fearful walk

 

[Aussie Bruin]

His 2015 1st Round picks, were arguably the three worst consecutive picks at their spots going back to the 2006 Draft.

That's generationally bad drafting. He compounded it the next 2 years drafts by taking the wrong player in Frederic and Vaak (who fell during the year).

They miss the PO, that's the main reason and he deserves to walk the plank.

To me the 2017 draft was almost as bad as 2015. Pick 18 is a solid pick, and to wind up with only a 3rd pair D who ended up as a small part of a trade package (at least Lindholm was the return) was disappointing, compounded by also missing out in the 2nd round. As you say, there's a price to be paid from all those misses, and we're certainly seeing that now.

 

[TorontLoL 67]

Nay, make it a slow fearful walk

I think the worst part of this season when it comes to DS is the complete radio silence. Minus the game @ NYR when he joined the broadcast for a hot 90 seconds, when has anyone heard anything from him? This team is rolling in shit at the bottom of the barrel and he's no where to be found. Someone's gotta answer for this, who better than the guy who made this mess to begin with?

 

[22Brad Park]

I think the worst part of this season when it comes to DS is the complete radio silence. Minus the game @ NYR when he joined the broadcast for a hot 90 seconds, when has anyone heard anything from him? This team is rolling in shit at the bottom of the barrel and he's no where to be found. Someone's gotta answer for this, who better than the guy who made this mess to begin with?

Missing playoffs will get Jacobs attention for sure.

 

[Alicat]

We knew the forward group would struggle at times going into the season.

However I didn’t expect the defense to be bottom 1/3 in the league. Carlo’s had a down year, zadorov has been underwhelming, and Peeke just flat out sucks with the puck on his stick. Then the injury to Hampus and it’s been hard to watch overall

Hampus going down was a huge blow to the D. Hopefully he’ll be back in a few weeks.

 

[Dr Hook]

You’d say a strike against the GM ? Yea, I’d say so.

He’s in charge of the draft and has final say and Gretzky did say "[Frederic] is not going to be a top-two-line guy, we know that,"

I mean everyone and their brother in the hockey world new when Frederic was picked that he wasn’t an high end offensive player and I find it hard to believe Sweeney wasn’t privy of Gretzky and the scouts opinion on their draft board. They all agreed that they were drafting a 3rd liner Sweeney included.

Same with 2015,he’s the man who says yes or no and if he has no clue on any of these players who’s on the draft boards he should of been fired years ago for pure fck stupidity on top of negligence!

Alright, but you’re keying in one player out of the several I listed. What about the rest? Anyway, I am not sure what you’re arguing about. Sweeney has tried to draft multiple skilled forwards over the years and has had little success with development. JDB and likely Poitras. That is the only point I was making. Do you disagree with that?

 

[Bruin4]

Alright, but you’re keying in one player out of the several I listed. What about the rest? Anyway, I am not sure what you’re arguing about. Sweeney has tried to draft multiple skilled forwards over the years and has had little success with development. JDB and likely Poitras. That is the only point I was making. Do you disagree with that?

No not at all. I think his actual problem was trying to win a Cup and I don't think thats a bad thing, it just makes it hard to re-stock your cupboards when your emptying them all the time. Then he has whiffed big in free-agency, in an attempt to help with the clear shortage of prospects and picks.

 

[BMC]

I think the worst part of this season when it comes to DS is the complete radio silence. Minus the game @ NYR when he joined the broadcast for a hot 90 seconds, when has anyone heard anything from him? This team is rolling in shit at the bottom of the barrel and he's no where to be found. Someone's gotta answer for this, who better than the guy who made this mess to begin with?

IMO while Sweeney has always been tight lipped about actual moves (not a bad thing really) the impression he's giving now is of someone who is as checked out as Monty was before he got fired. Sweeney is nowhere to be found anywhere. Right or wrong he is giving the impression that his work for that damn tournament is taking precedence over his work as the Bruins' GM. Bad optics if nothing else.

 

[Dr Hook]

No not at all. I think his actual problem was trying to win a Cup and I don't think thats a bad thing, it just makes it hard to re-stock your cupboards when your emptying them all the time. Then he has whiffed big in free-agency, in an attempt to help with the clear shortage of prospects and picks.

We got there in the end (with a brief Freddy detour ). 100% agree it’s been a product of going for it over multiple seasons and giving away a lot of the future to do it. It’s time for a change.

 

[chrisab123]

You’d say a strike against the GM ? Yea, I’d say so.

He’s in charge of the draft and has final say and Gretzky did say "[Frederic] is not going to be a top-two-line guy, we know that,"

I mean everyone and their brother in the hockey world new when Frederic was picked that he wasn’t an high end offensive player and I find it hard to believe Sweeney wasn’t privy of Gretzky and the scouts opinion on their draft board. They all agreed that they were drafting a 3rd liner Sweeney included.

Same with 2015,he’s the man who says yes or no and if he has no clue on any of these players who’s on the draft boards he should of been fired years ago for pure fck stupidity on top of negligence!

Mindset was different. They didn’t care at all about upside they just wanted to draft guys who had a high floor and could work on the 3rd and 4th line. Hence the Jam comment. Really ridiculous stuff. But yeah clearly haven’t learned anything over the last decade because the system is ranked close to if not the bottom annually. Sure they did eventually try to get people with higher upside but they keep missing.

 

[22Brad Park]

IMO while Sweeney has always been tight lipped about actual moves (not a bad thing really) the impression he's giving now is of someone who is as checked out as Monty was before he got fired. Sweeney is nowhere to be found anywhere. Right or wrong he is giving the impression that his work for that damn tournament is taking precedence over his work as the Bruins' GM. Bad optics if nothing else.

He is in Montreal working on his legacy

 

[22Brad Park]

You’d never get the worth. Pasta is charismatic on an off the ice and one of the most gifted offensive players in the world.

Bruins need to replace Sweeney not trade Pasta !!

Sweeney has absolutely nothing to show for this team offensively speaking in a decades worth of work. The Bruins only 2 offensively gifted players Pasta and Marchy were already here. Think about that . From what Sweeney started with to what here’s now. It’s an absolute travesty!

This is % on the money.