Post-Game Talk: GAME 57 - Disaster in the Third Period - Vegas 4 BRUINS 3

[Aussie Bruin]

Pavel Dorofeyev is the kind of player Sweeney can't draft - a deeper, post-second round pick who turns out to be a genuine, talented middle 6 forward who's good for 25+ goals and comfortably over .500 PPG. Yes it's very hard to do but if you want to be a perennially contending team then you need to find these sorts of buried nuggets of gold occasionally to stay competitive and dodge cap crunch.

Don's done ok with the D and of course getting Sway in the 4th was huge, but the lack of home-grown forward talent really hurts.

 

[Thirty Seven]

Unable to play a full 60 mins consistently, not sure what's up with this team but the compete isn't there. Get a couple, give a few.

 

[bruinmann77]

They laid down the last two games and that sign of a losing team trade what you can keep that first

 

[The Un4casted Storm]

I ain't mad to be honest. I'd rather the wheels fall off in order to force management into a much needed re-tool rather than limp along to a 9th or 10th place finish. This group just doesn't have it.

 

[22Brad Park]

You trade Pasta and you're accepting a full rebuild and the beginning of a process that will take well over 5 years, and that's IF it works. The alternative is a quicker re-tool but are there realistic odds that it could actually succeed? If the answer to that is 'no' then that's where jumping straight into a rebuild makes sense and saves time that would otherwise most likely be lost to no purpose.

Regardless, for better or worse they won't rebuild yet. Will try and shake things up over the next 6 months and hope that works. Then we see what happens with that and go from there.

I can't wait to see this myself.Even a retool is going to take longer because they have nothing and I mean nothing to take to the table outside their best players.

 

[BruinsFan37]

I ain't mad to be honest. I'd rather the wheels fall off in order to force management into a much needed re-tool rather than limp along to a 9th or 10th place finish. This group just doesn't have it.

I kinda agree with this. Missing the playoffs on the final game of the season sucks way more than being 5-10 games out and already been eliminated for the previous couple of weeks. Not only do you just miss the playoffs you're stuck with a bad/mediocre team, at least if the team is trending down (which the Bruins definitely are).

 

[bobbyorr04]

You are what your record says you are

 

[PlayMakers]

I thought the Marchand line stepped up and had a good game. They were the only line to outshoot the other team.

Zadorov played 26 minutes had 2 points and was +2.

Swayman was spectacular up until that weird goal that he dropped and then knocked in.

 

[nORRis8]

Freddy played 18 shifts over 14 minutes..He had 1 shot 1 take away 1 penalty .I have a serious problem with this kind of effort.Sooner he is gone the better.

He's had plenty of those nights this year and yet some have said" no way, he was our best player that period!"
Yes, he was our best player by bumping a goalie then talking to him, maybe fighting a 40 year old opponent, then float around doing dick all the rest of the way.
Wow!
Give that man a contract!

 

[lopey]

Outside of Washington and Florida the east is bad. How on the hell are the bruins still in it. Its bad because the absent gm and his fat partner will try to make playoffs and trade away assets for a run at playoffs. Mistake imo

 

[Mione134]

Dunno..he has 3 goals in his last 20 games..Jake scored some big goals but too many nights he mailed it in..lindholm contract not great, but neither is Jake's imo

He always showed up in the playoffs though.

This team misses his speed, him on the powerplay, and special teams.

He's sitting at 19 goals. 14 assists.

Lindholm has 10 goals.
Freddy has 8 goals.


Do I think him staying would of made a difference? No. But not replacing him or having a plan after you didn't try to re-sign him I think is asinine.

Matt Grzelcyk has 27 assists on the Pens right now. He looks like his old self.

Losing guys who fit in our locker room without replacing them is embarrassing. The lack of veteran leadership looms large too. Ask the players how much they loved Shattenkirk last year. And Forbort.

You take the leaders out of room and don't replace them, you get a team like we have right now. Coaching sucks from head to assistants. No identity. No pride. No structure. What type of team is this? Because each night I see a different team playing a different gameplan. Players out of position or looking lost. No fire. No heart. No hustle.

It's not sustainable. We looked like a TEAM last year. Our pk was one of the best. Now? Ooh boy. Same old shit on the powerplay which is embarrassing. Why that hasnt been addressed for years is beyond me.

Donny f***ed up big time. Mgmt f***ed up. Something is off with this team. We saw it in training camp. That locker room feels off. The chemistry was chemistrying last year and years prior. Now? Apart from maybe a few players, it's gone.

Play the kids. To go from consistently being in the hunt for the last what? Decade? To this year? Inexcusable. The product on the ice sucks. I don't know who this team is. And it makes me sad.

The return of the Dave Lewis era is here. Embrace the suck.

 

[smithformeragent]

They don’t have the horses.

Simple as that.

No quick fixes here.
Deal what you can at the deadline, but we’re not talking about franchise shifting moves.

Not yet, anyway.

I continue to look at a team like Pittsburgh, and it’s scary to turn into them. I’d rather blow it up than be Pittsburgh.

But for now, you move out tertiary pieces you don’t intend to re-sign.

You’re locked into McAvoy, Pastrnak, Swayman, as well as E. Lindholm, H. Lindholm, and Zadorov.

Marchand, I could go either way on. Ultimately, if I can get a 1st for him, I do it. Thanks for everything. My favorite Bruin of this current era. (Post Cup)

I’ll continue to watch. Not expecting a run at the playoffs, but there are other reasons to watch, especially if they turn the roster over a bit and see what you’ve got with some of these other guys moving forward.

Celtics have a shot at repeating. I’m watching last night’s game on DVR. Zero interest in the Super Bowl tonight.

 

[LouJersey]

Pavel Dorofeyev is the kind of player Sweeney can't draft - a deeper, post-second round pick who turns out to be a genuine, talented middle 6 forward who's good for 25+ goals and comfortably over .500 PPG. Yes it's very hard to do but if you want to be a perennially contending team then you need to find these sorts of buried nuggets of gold occasionally to stay competitive and dodge cap crunch.

Don's done ok with the D and of course getting Sway in the 4th was huge, but the lack of home-grown forward talent really hurts.

he would still be in Providence, or even Russia. Team needs to let skill players be skill players and realize it's ok to have defensive warts. You can always teach better defensive structure, but you can't teach skill and it's been an issue for a decade.

 

[UncleRico]

We knew the forward group would struggle at times going into the season.

However I didn’t expect the defense to be bottom 1/3 in the league. Carlo’s had a down year, zadorov has been underwhelming, and Peeke just flat out sucks with the puck on his stick. Then the injury to Hampus and it’s been hard to watch overall

 

[LouJersey]

They don’t have the horses.

Simple as that.

No quick fixes here.
Deal what you can at the deadline, but we’re not talking about franchise shifting moves.

Not yet, anyway.

I continue to look at a team like Pittsburgh, and it’s scary to turn into them. I’d rather blow it up than be Pittsburgh.

But for now, you move out tertiary pieces you don’t intend to re-sign.

You’re locked into McAvoy, Pastrnak, Swayman, as well as E. Lindholm, H. Lindholm, and Zadorov.

Marchand, I could go either way on. Ultimately, if I can get a 1st for him, I do it. Thanks for everything. My favorite Bruin of this current era. (Post Cup)

I’ll continue to watch. Not expecting a run at the playoffs, but there are other reasons to watch, especially if they turn the roster over a bit and see what you’ve got with some of these other guys moving forward.

Celtics have a shot at repeating. I’m watching last night’s game on DVR. Zero interest in the Super Bowl tonight.

There is no shame in having a season like this after the success they have had, but they need to sell. Looking at this team contract wise and "core" wise you have

xxxxx-xxxxx-Pasta
xxxxx-Zacha-Coyle
xxxxx-Lindholm-Poitras
xxxxx-Kastelic-xxxxx

Zadorov-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Lohrei-Peeke

Swayman-Korpisalo

Move Coyle and Carlo. Sell Marchand, Geekie and Freddy. Honestly we know we will be lucky if one of those guys gets moved.

they are a 1c and THREE out of four top 2 line wingers away from contending for a title. Can't get all of that one offseason. You could argue that Zacha is not a legit top 6 C as well.

Until then, it's a hop on Swayman's back and hope to sneak in and have him still rounds and rounds

 

[Therewolf31]

All about special teams.

They play scared on the PK

 

[bruins19]

Yes as far as playing to the Whistle but dump and chase and winning is dead. Without the red line all you are doing with your intensity is having the puck come back at you.

Agree it is dead for us. If you are not winning the race to the puck or the battle for it once you get there, it’s just a long turnover.

 

[shelbysdad]

Hey Don.....do you know what we are yet or are you still evaluating

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

Probably his best intro yet

 

[Bruin4]

You trade Pasta and you're accepting a full rebuild and the beginning of a process that will take well over 5 years, and that's IF it works. The alternative is a quicker re-tool but are there realistic odds that it could actually succeed? If the answer to that is 'no' then that's where jumping straight into a rebuild makes sense and saves time that would otherwise most likely be lost to no purpose.

Regardless, for better or worse they won't rebuild yet. Will try and shake things up over the next 6 months and hope that works. Then we see what happens with that and go from there.

Why not both? Start with the re-build of the front office and coaching staff and then a Re-tool of the line-up around Pasta, McAvoy and Swayman.

This has clearly become Sweeneys team, a GM who took over with a Bergeron, Lucic, Hamilton, Tuukka, Marchand, Krejci, Krug Chara and a Pastrnak on it, would be leaving it not nearly as rich with assets, when he took over.

The only 2 remaining pieces are the 2 leading scores Pasta and Marchand, and their clearly isn't another dangerous scoring threat among the Bruins forwards, its more than time for a change. Unfortunately the new GM wont have nearly the arsenal Sweeney had to start with, certainly an up-hill battle, but it can be done with the right hire.

 

[DaBroons]

he would still be in Providence, or even Russia. Team needs to let skill players be skill players and realize it's ok to have defensive warts. You can always teach better offensive structure, but you can't teach skill and it's been an issue for a decade.

We wouldn't have drafted him. Sweeney doesn't draft Russians (only 2). His drafts mainly focus (except 2015 & 2022) on college, US players (USHL and USNTDP), and Scandinavian players.

 

[Ozzy Osbourne]

I understand some may find my position cynical, but honestly I hope they keep losing.

In two recent podcasts, the supposition among hosts and guests was that Sweeney would move a piece or two, Frederic, etc.
Actually engage in rentals before the deadline.

"Crying, Hoping, Wishing."

That's the name of a country song.

That is the absurd, tiresome, loser mentality approach of Don Sweeney and Cam Neely.

I apologize.

I'm so sick of Don Sweeney's foolishness I can't see straight. Sick of his face, sick of his act. Sick to f*cking death.

I believe Mike from Everett had it best,

"Fire Sweeney into the sun."

Again, I understand many will not agree, but I'm glad they lost today. And in typical fashion.

I hope Charlie has decent hearing.

Because he should be hearing an earful.

I’m also sick of looking at his smug, craggy face. He wants to let everyone know just how smart he is by wearing glasses depending on the situation. The guy inherited a very loaded roster and has destroyed it over a decade to the point that it’s become an unwatchable steaming pile of crap. Most disappointing, dismal failures would have been relieved of their duties long, long before now. Unfortunately for us it became a good old boys club a long time ago.

At least he seems to have a good grip on the “important” and very “exciting” Four Nations garbage.

 

[analyser]

Agree it is dead for us. If you are not winning the race to the puck or the battle for it once you get there, it’s just a long turnover.

They are scared of Eichel for sure, he had all the time he needed to setup the winning goal. No one even challenges him so he can just wait for the perfect play to materialize. At the very least try to cover the front of the net with so little time left on the PK. Just throwing points out the window and now as many think they are out of the playoff picture.

 

[Terrier]

 

[Bradely]

They play scared on the PK

IMO it can change the game. The PK is really really bad. Huge problem