GDT: Game 56: Columbus at Anaheim | 2/3 10PM EST

[HockeyGuy1964]

Any team that has a guy like Bob in net is a cup contender if they make the playoffs. Seriously, he's the real deal.

Hockey is 75% goaltending. It's 100% if you don't have it though.

 

[blahblah]

Any team that has a guy like Bob in net is a cup contender if they make the playoffs. Seriously, he's the real deal.

Hockey is 75% goaltending. It's 100% if you don't have it though.

As far as the game last night, I though Bob was the #1 star. Having said that, if we hadn't matched the Ducks in intensity we lose that game and Bob gives up 2 or 3 more.

Good goal tending is a requirement for most teams, especially as you reach the post season. But putting Bob on the Pathers doesn't make them a Cup contender if they squeaked into the playoffs. Certainly wouldn't with Edmonton either. A team like Boson or the Blues runs them out of rink.

I tend to agree with some of the odds I'm seeing, we have about a 1% chance of winning the Cup. About the 4th or 5th highest percentage in the East. We have a shot, even if it's a small one. There could be an upset, a goal tender could be off, a team could get cold. But I doubt that luck holds up over the course of a few rounds.

Right at this moment, Lundqvist is outplaying Bob. Meaning a team like Boston or NY could easily sport a goal tender just as hot as ours.

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

I'm pretty sure I didn't say, or even hint, that Florida or Edmonton was a cup contender with Bob in net. Neither of those teams are even close to being a playoff contender especially Edmonton.

I can think of 4 teams from the last 15 years right off the top of my head that were not as good/very similar as this Columbus team right now that made it all the way to the Stanley Cup final so don't try to tell me that they are not contenders if they make the playoffs.

The things this team & 1999 Buffalo, 2002 Carolina, 2003 Anaheim, 2004 Calgary, & 2006 Edmonton have in common:
Well coached
Work hard & hard to play against & have a real team identity they take pride in
Got great goaltending. I'm stretching on this one because he hasn't done it yet but I contend that he's for real & am not worried about him at all.
These are the only 3 things you really need to be successful. If you can score enough goals & have enough depth to withstand the inevitable injuries you can go a long way.

 

[blahblah]

Any team that has a guy like Bob in net is a cup contender if they make the playoffs. Seriously, he's the real deal.

Hockey is 75% goaltending. It's 100% if you don't have it though.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say, or even hint, that Florida or Edmonton was a cup contender with Bob in net. Neither of those teams are even close to being a playoff contender especially Edmonton.

O'Rly?

Hockey is, obviously, more than 75% goal tending. If your numbers were accurate, Edmonton could be a playoff contender by simply adding a Vezina quality goal tender. I understand where you are coming from, but your analysis is over simplistic - even with your laundry list of teams.

I gave you that the Jackets have an outside shot.

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

O'Rly?

You have reading comprehension issues.

what part of "if they make the playoffs" is written in chinese?

Pretty sure Edmonton & Florida are nowhere close to making the playoffs. I'll even go out on a limb though & say that if the Oilers won their next 30 in a row to squeek into the playoffs in 8th, teams wouldn't be lining up to play them because they'd have miraculously aquired the 3 things I've already listed that a team needs to be successful.

 

[blahblah]

But putting Bob on the Pathers doesn't make them a Cup contender if they squeaked into the playoffs. Certainly wouldn't with Edmonton either. A team like Boson or the Blues runs them out of rink.

I tend to agree with some of the odds I'm seeing, we have about a 1% chance of winning the Cup. About the 4th or 5th highest percentage in the East. We have a shot, even if it's a small one. There could be an upset, a goal tender could be off, a team could get cold. But I doubt that luck holds up over the course of a few rounds.

Right at this moment, Lundqvist is outplaying Bob. Meaning a team like Boston or NY could easily sport a goal tender just as hot as ours.

O'Rly?

Hockey is, obviously, more than 75% goal tending. If your numbers were accurate, Edmonton could be a playoff contender by simply adding a Vezina quality goal tender. I understand where you are coming from, but your analysis is over simplistic - even with your laundry list of teams.

I gave you that the Jackets have an outside shot.

You have reading comprehension issues.

what part of "if they make the playoffs" is written in chinese?

Pretty sure Edmonton & Florida are nowhere close to making the playoffs. I'll even go out on a limb though & say that if the Oilers won their next 30 in a row to squeek into the playoffs in 8th, teams wouldn't be lining up to play them because they'd have miraculously aquired the 3 things I've already listed that a team needs to be successful.

Dur, dee, dur.... Understood everything you said. The assumption would be that the goaltender would be on the team at the start of the season, not 56 games in. Too funny that you think I'm talking about a slightly before the dead line Vezina quality goal tender trade.

Hockey is sure as hell more than 75% goal tending then isn't it?

Back to my point. The Jackets really aren't a true Cup contender. Sure they might get some luck and make a run, might even win it. They would need more luck than Bob simply playing great.

 

[Heinze 57]

Probably putting the cart way before the horse, but if our core continues to develop at their rate and we can keep Bob after two years I can definitely envision this team being a cup contender (Which I'd define as teams in the top third). It's not so absurd to think of this group winning it all as it may have been with the 11-12 team.

There's a long way to go, but making the playoffs this year would be huge for the young guys and getting them winning and postseason experience can't hurt. If they get in I can see them winning in the first round, but I don't really think they're ready to go beyond that.

 

[Cash for Nash]

Probably putting the cart way before the horse, but if our core continues to develop at their rate and we can keep Bob after two years I can definitely envision this team being a cup contender (Which I'd define as teams in the top third). It's not so absurd to think of this group winning it all as it may have been with the 11-12 team.

There's a long way to go, but making the playoffs this year would be huge for the young guys and getting them winning and postseason experience can't hurt. If they get in I can see them winning in the first round, but I don't really think they're ready to go beyond that.

I would love to see us host ONE playoff round. Start at home on a clean slate.

Maybe have people bring little plastic cannon ball replica's and throw them on the ice after we score

 

[HockeyGuy1964]

Dur, dee, dur.... Understood everything you said. The assumption would be that the goaltender would be on the team at the start of the season, not 56 games in. Too funny that you think I'm talking about a slightly before the dead line Vezina quality goal tender trade.

Hockey is sure as hell more than 75% goal tending then isn't it?

Back to my point. The Jackets really aren't a true Cup contender. Sure they might get some luck and make a run, might even win it. They would need more luck than Bob simply playing great.

Okay let's be honest. My douchebaggy snarky response was to your one word douchebaggy snarky response & while I was writing mine you were editing yours to make it into more than a one word douchebaggy snarky response that added nothing to the discussion.

We're in almost total agreement except I believe that if they make the playoffs they are a contender because they have the 3 qualities I believe any team needs to be successful. When a team does what they did down the stretch last year & has done well so far this year, it's a little more than luck & a hot goalie. Any team that wins it gets some breaks along the way, whether it's health, timely scoring, favorable stylistic matchups, etc. but luck has very little to do with it so why not CBJ?

BTW, I've already said goaltending is 100% of hockey if you don't have it so I don't really understand the bolded part. Unless you're wanting to argue about the totally subjective number(75%) that I pulled right right out of my ass so I could make the witty remark that goaltending is 100% of the game if you don't have it. It's just a way of saying you can't win anything without goaltending.

BTW#2, your first paragraph shows me you have no idea what I said because it makes zero sense. Go back & read, really slowly, the part of my quoted post that you bolded. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[Mayor Bee]

I have a dream.

A dream that one day, this board can move on from discussing what Scott Howson should or shouldn't get credit for.

People finally stopped talking about XGMDM, so it can happen, folks...

What's funny is that this latest flare-up has taken place without me saying anything, intimating anything, or even slipping in a coded message of any type.

 

[pete goegan]

What's funny is that this latest flare-up has taken place without me saying anything, intimating anything, or even slipping in a coded message of any type.

I thought you were dead.

 

[Mayor Bee]

I thought you were dead.

You've confused "thinking" with "wishing" again.

 

[NotWendell]

What's funny is that this latest flare-up has taken place without me saying anything, intimating anything, or even slipping in a coded message of any type.

Yeah, I'm sitting this one out too!

 

[Viqsi]

What's funny is that this latest flare-up has taken place without me saying anything, intimating anything, or even slipping in a coded message of any type.

Sometimes, you just need to sit back and let the next generation handle things.

 

[db2011]

Sometimes, you just need to sit back and let the next generation handle things.

This is getting ridiculous

 

[Viqsi]

This is getting ridiculous

Many things in life are.

(alternatively: huh? wtf?)

 

[Matt]

Maybe people should be mentioning Richards for the reason the team is doing so well. Howsen may have brought in the players but this guy has been pushing the right buttons.

 

[blahblah]

Maybe people should be mentioning Richards for the reason the team is doing so well. Howsen may have brought in the players but this guy has been pushing the right buttons.

Meh, he's ok. But I don't think there is anything magical (or even remotely genius) with his management of games and players. He is amazingly slow at times to make in-game or between game adjustments. There have been many games this season where I felt he was out-coached.

That is not to say I want him fired or anything. However I think he has a lot of growing to do. He's certainly no where near some of the elite head coaches in the league.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

For any of the So Cal CBJ fans: I called Anaheim Ice and they said the Jackets had cancelled practice today. Bummer. I was hoping to go see that.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

I've been super busy and haven't had a chance to post my thoughts on the game.

1) I saw at least 20 CBJ fans at the game. Great showing by the Jackets fans. There was actually a "Let's Go Jackets" chat that got started late in the 3rd period.

2) Nathan Horton impressed me more seeing him play in-person than on tv. He handles and protects the puck in traffic so well and was able to be in the right place and manage the puck. Johansen and Jenner are going to learn so much from him.

3) Atkinson does so much in the offensive zone without ever registering a shot on net. He really needs to work on a quicker, more accurate release or something.

4) Murray is another player that you have to see in person to realize how calm and composed he was. He just casually stopped a near breakaway that would have been a scramble if it was Savard or Nikitin, but he didn't even seem concerned at all.

 

[FANonymous]

For any of the So Cal CBJ fans: I called Anaheim Ice and they said the Jackets had cancelled practice today. Bummer. I was hoping to go see that.

****ing country club atmosphere.

 

[Viqsi]

Maybe people should be mentioning Richards for the reason the team is doing so well. Howsen may have brought in the players but this guy has been pushing the right buttons.

For one, Richards was another Howson hire.

And I kind of agree with blahblah's assessment of the guy. He's not a genius, but he's done a good job. If we want elite, we'd probably have to look elsewhere, but I'm happy with what he's done so far.

 

[major major]

I've been super busy and haven't had a chance to post my thoughts on the game.

1) I saw at least 20 CBJ fans at the game. Great showing by the Jackets fans. There was actually a "Let's Go Jackets" chat that got started late in the 3rd period.

2) Nathan Horton impressed me more seeing him play in-person than on tv. He handles and protects the puck in traffic so well and was able to be in the right place and manage the puck. Johansen and Jenner are going to learn so much from him.

3) Atkinson does so much in the offensive zone without ever registering a shot on net. He really needs to work on a quicker, more accurate release or something.

4) Murray is another player that you have to see in person to realize how calm and composed he was. He just casually stopped a near breakaway that would have been a scramble if it was Savard or Nikitin, but he didn't even seem concerned at all.

I think we were all more impressed by Horton's game than previous games. His skating and puck control has stepped up.

 

[Roadman]

I think we were all more impressed by Horton's game than previous games. His skating and puck control has stepped up.

His best is yet to come, still finding his way after the surgery. Hopefully after the break he will be at full speed for the final push and the playoffs. Chemistry with Johansen and Jenner could be very special.

 

[EspenK]

For one, Richards was another Howson hire.

And I kind of agree with blahblah's assessment of the guy. He's not a genius, but he's done a good job. If we want elite, we'd probably have to look elsewhere, but I'm happy with what he's done so far.

Somewhere in the above is a mixed message. On the one hand Richards is just an okay coach but on the other hand he is lauded as a Howson hire implying that he really is a good coach and a great add to the organIzation.