GDT: Game 50 @ Predators 5pm

[dmcccdmn]

Hilarious game. Trading for Georgiev may prove to be a brilliant move if we end up with Schaefer.

Man, it must be exhausting if you're not on team tank. To me, this was one of the best games of the season. Playing a team fighting for 1st overall pick with you and leading them 5-1 in the first only to end up losing in regulation time. Plus, Celebrini scored and Askarov wasn't playing. If you're playing the long game as a fan, you should be happy. I am.

What a game. Need more of this against CHI and other bottom feeders. Being the worst team guarantees top-3 picks. That is more important than any win this season.

 

[Star Platinum]

Being the worst team guarantees top-3 picks. That is more important than any win this season.

 

[Shark Finn]

So.. 6eorgiev?

Grier is playing 3-D chess.

...instead of watching this team play, probably.

 

[ThePlanet]

Hot take: A lot of hot takes here.
Wario is light years better at coaching than Quinn was, or ever will be, and that's coming from someone who sympathizes with the position in which Quinn was placed. We're a much more competitive squad, far more entertaining to watch this season, there's some semblance of a system in place, and they're also seems to be a much higher level of buy-in with the players. The Little Warsofski is also the youngest coach in the league, in his first season being in charge behind the bench. We're just a couple years into a rebuild, and the talent level on this team leaves something to be desired. We essentially have a bunch of 4-7 defenseman, a couple of middle sixers, a bunch of forwards that would be fourth liners or call-ups on contenders, and Celebrini. All this to say that it's gonna take time, and there will be major rough patches. Be patient. Don't pull an Ottawa.
Thus concludes my Sharks-apologist posting for the evening.

 

[Star Platinum]

Hot take: A lot of hot takes here.
Wario is light years better at coaching than Quinn was, or ever will be, and that's coming from someone who sympathizes with the position in which Quinn was placed. We're a much more competitive squad, far more entertaining to watch this season, there's some semblance of a system in place, and they're also seems to be a much higher level of buy-in with the players. The Little Warsofski is also the youngest coach in the league, in his first season being in charge behind the bench. We're just a couple years into a rebuild, and the talent level on this team leaves something to be desired. We essentially have a bunch of 4-7 defenseman, a couple of middle sixers, a bunch of forwards that would be fourth liners or call-ups on contenders, and Celebrini. All this to say that it's gonna take time, and there will be major rough patches. Be patient. Don't pull an Ottawa.
Thus concludes my Sharks-apologist posting for the evening.

I dunno. I read stuff like this and it makes me wonder if the coach is in over his head. I realize it's not his job to give good answers to questions, but...

 

[OrrNumber4]

Man, it must be exhausting if you're not on team tank. To me, this was one of the best games of the season. Playing a team fighting for 1st overall pick with you and leading them 5-1 in the first only to end up losing in regulation time. Plus, Celebrini scored and Askarov wasn't playing. If you're playing the long game as a fan, you should be happy. I am.

I get the idea of short-term pain for long-term gain, but I think there's a fair argument that the nth-order effects of losing so much will override the (slightly) higher draft position.

I dunno. I read stuff like this and it makes me wonder if the coach is in over his head. I realize it's not his job to give good answers to questions, but...

Players and coaches being snide/glib with the media always irritate me. It's their job to ask questions, and it is part of your job to answer them.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[TheBeard]

I dunno. I read stuff like this and it makes me wonder if the coach is in over his head. I realize it's not his job to give good answers to questions, but...

He’s 100% in over his head and I’m starting to think he was hired partly for that reason. Grier knew it was gonna be as much of a learning experience for him as the kids so he sorta knew (hoped) he wouldn’t have any immediate success.

Imagine giving up 4 to Boston in the third with a lead, saying the same garbage and then repeating the same only worse against a lesser team. It tells me War doesn’t really know how to rally the troops and without any sort of leadership on the ice and veteran leadership off, there’s no reason to expect to see different results or lessons learned this year.

 

[Star Platinum]

He’s 100% in over his head and I’m starting to think he was hired partly for that reason. Grier knew it was gonna be as much of a learning experience for him as the kids so he sorta knew (hoped) he wouldn’t have any immediate success.

Imagine giving up 4 to Boston in the third with a lead, saying the same garbage and then repeating the same only worse against a lesser team. It tells me War doesn’t really know how to rally the troops and without any sort of leadership on the ice and veteran leadership off, there’s no reason to expect to see different results or lessons learned this year.

I certainly hope he hired him thinking that he would be a great tank commander coach because if he hired him thinking he was going to be a good developmental coach, then I seriously question whether Grier should be our GM going forward.

 

[mogambomoroo]

This was the worst game I've watched in terms on emotion.... Yeah this Sharks needs a reset really badly, this is not acceptable.

 

[Anomie2029]

Hilarious armchair coaching takes in here.

What exactly would people like to see other than maybe calling a timeout? Bench the bottom two lines and run 6 forwards and 4 dmen for the last period?

1/3 of our top 6 were literal children two years ago and have never played 50 games at this level in this timeframe before. The bottom 6 is terrible and the goaltending is simply not good enough although I would really only put that 6th goal on Georgiev. Closing out games in the best league in the world is really really REALLY hard to do. Oh yea, they also played a game last night…

Shitty result, but this team is leaps and bounds better than last season. At least they are competing in these games and not getting absolutely boat raced.

Are they?

23-24 after 50 games: 14-32-4, 10RW
24-25 after 50 games: 14-30-6, 10RW

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

I have no words... honestly the game upset me to a degree I haven't been in a long time. Actually despondent after that mess...

 

[sharski]

He's sick, and he also sucks.

He doesn't want any part of this nonsense. It's not befitting a superstar of his ilk.

lmfao at Vlasic catching strays after a game he didn't play in

Reminds me of Craig getting fired on his day off in Friday

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I get being upset about the game but this type of stuff is going to happen during this process. This game isn’t indicative of anything long term for either the players or the coach or the GM. Warsofsky has won at every level but he’s a rookie coach. If we’re going to give Celebrini and Smith slack for being rookies themselves, I don’t see why we’d treat the coach differently. Nobody is going to come out clean in a rebuild season but let them have the opportunity to learn and build. It’s still just one game and we need a lot of patience.

 

[STL Shark]

Doug Houda is a quality defense coach. The players know what they're supposed to do. They played way too soft. My guess is that they are still getting over the flu and just ran out of gas in the second period, especially after playing back to back. Zone entries became ridiculously weak. They went from the San Jose Sharks to the San Jose Marshmellows.

There is no way these losses compare to last year's 10-1 and 10-2 losses. In those games we were never in it. They were unwatchable.

Losing a lead means at least we were in it. If we were looking to make the playoffs these games would sting. They don't. It's just an embarrassment for Warsofsky.

And no way were the first five goals Georgiev's fault. We should have won 5 - 2. If I were the coach I'd tell the skaters to buy Georgiev some laundry pins because they left him out to dry.

5 road games, 8 days, second half of a back to back, and a viral bug going through the locker room. Makes some sense for why there was nothing there at the end. Not saying it's all fine and dandy, but there are real reasons as to why some of that happened that isn't just "coaches suck and don't know what they're doing".

 

[STL Shark]

Man, it must be exhausting if you're not on team tank. To me, this was one of the best games of the season. Playing a team fighting for 1st overall pick with you and leading them 5-1 in the first only to end up losing in regulation time. Plus, Celebrini scored and Askarov wasn't playing. If you're playing the long game as a fan, you should be happy. I am.

What a game. Need more of this against CHI and other bottom feeders. Being the worst team guarantees top-3 picks. That is more important than any win this season.

Nashville is going to make the playoffs. 9 or 10 points back with 36 games to play. Finally getting some production from the guys that they're paying lots of money to. They've played at 101 point pace the last 6 weeks. Keep that up and they'll be around 86 points. Play a smidge better than that and get to 90-92, they're going to be right there with Calgary/Vancouver for the final WC spot.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

5 road games, 8 days, second half of a back to back, and a viral bug going through the locker room. Makes some sense for why there was nothing there at the end. Not saying it's all fine and dandy, but there are real reasons as to why some of that happened that isn't just "coaches suck and don't know what they're doing".

That being said, blowing a 5-1 lead isn't great even if this team is bad and all your points are valid

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That being said, blowing a 5-1 lead isn't great even if this team is bad and all your points are valid

No, it's pretty bad but it's still just one game in a losing rebuild season. It's not great to blow as many leads in the 3rd as they have but the players aren't good enough overall and stop playing. There's only so much a coach can do. The players need to do better if they want to start to build a winning atmosphere. Otherwise, Grier is correct to continue to stay the course for a team in the position the Sharks are in by continuing to invest into the future as much as they can. The positive is that the team is on pace to have had more games where they're going into the 3rd with a lead than they did last season. I think they had 21 games where they were winning going into the 3rd and I think this year, they are pacing for that number to be 26. The trail number is massively improved. Last year, they had 45 games where they trailed going into the 3rd period. This year, they're pacing to have that number be 38 games.

The biggest thing for me is that I have complete confidence in this team moving forward with Celebrini leading the way. The more the team leans into him as a leader, the quicker this rebuild moves along.

 

[Shark in Hockeytown]

The common element in the lost third period leads in the last week is the Sharks' inability to move the puck out of their own end under control (not just dumped out) when under pressure. They play the entire period in their own end, which never ends well. This failure is not surprising when your only dmen who are better than 6/7th types are castoffs from other organizations. Inability to move the puck consistently is one reason why Detroit soured on Walman. I was at the game in Detroit last week, the Wings forechecked Walman hard from the start, and he did not handle the pressure well.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

The common element in the lost third period leads in the last week is the Sharks' inability to move the puck out of their own end under control (not just dumped out) when under pressure. They play the entire period in their own end, which never ends well. This failure is not surprising when your only dmen who are better than 6/7th types are castoffs from other organizations. Inability to move the puck consistently is one reason why Detroit soured on Walman. I was at the game in Detroit last week, the Wings forechecked Walman hard from the start, and he did not handle the pressure well.

I pretty much agree with this sentiment and it applies to our best puck movers which are Walman and Liljegren. That's going to be the key for Grier to make as much improvements on the blue line as possible. It's the puck play being awful from the blue line that holds the team back consistently. I'm not sure how it gets addressed because some things might just get sort of forced on them. If they end up drafting Schaefer, I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the NHL next year and goes throw significant rookie challenges at 18. I also wouldn't be surprised if the team brings Dickinson into the fold as well and they try to let them develop and probably fail a lot. I also think the team could actually improve a decent amount now if they called up Cagnoni. He'll certainly have consistency issues but in terms of puck-movers in this organization, he's probably one of their best two or three guys.

 

[coooldude]

The common element in the lost third period leads in the last week is the Sharks' inability to move the puck out of their own end under control (not just dumped out) when under pressure. They play the entire period in their own end, which never ends well. This failure is not surprising when your only dmen who are better than 6/7th types are castoffs from other organizations. Inability to move the puck consistently is one reason why Detroit soured on Walman. I was at the game in Detroit last week, the Wings forechecked Walman hard from the start, and he did not handle the pressure well.

And Walman is our best puck mover by a mile!

Many have been saying it from preseason and earlier... This team needs to improve from the back before we're anything more than bottom 2. It's not Warsofsky's fault, it's not Goodrow's fault, it's not Kunin's fault, it's not even Ferraro's fault. It's having a solid middle pair D as our #1, two more weak middle pair D in Ceci and one half each of Ferraro/Lily, and then 4 6-7's... that is the problem. No system can fix a D corps that can't turn defense to offense with clean exits.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

And Walman is our best puck mover by a mile!

Many have been saying it from preseason and earlier... This team needs to improve from the back before we're anything more than bottom 2. It's not Warsofsky's fault, it's not Goodrow's fault, it's not Kunin's fault, it's not even Ferraro's fault. It's having a solid middle pair D as our #1, two more weak middle pair D in Ceci and one half each of Ferraro/Lily, and then 4 6-7's... that is the problem. No system can fix a D corps that can't turn defense to offense with clean exits.

It'll be interesting to see what the D pairs look like if we only end up renting out Ceci and Rutta. I would guess that they'd call up Mukhamadullin and Thompson but I'd also look to move Walman to the right side of the top pair, move Ferraro up there to help eat those minutes that will suck, have Thrun paired with Liljegren on the 2nd pair, and do Mukhamadullin-Thompson for the 3rd or if they have an issue with the experience level of that 3rd pair put Vlasic on the right instead of Thompson.

 

[TheBeard]

The common element in the lost third period leads in the last week is the Sharks' inability to move the puck out of their own end under control (not just dumped out) when under pressure. They play the entire period in their own end, which never ends well. This failure is not surprising when your only dmen who are better than 6/7th types are castoffs from other organizations. Inability to move the puck consistently is one reason why Detroit soured on Walman. I was at the game in Detroit last week, the Wings forechecked Walman hard from the start, and he did not handle the pressure well.

The common element is a complete lack of puck support from the forwards in our own zone. For whatever reason the forwards are constantly floating near the blue line or the red line waiting for a quick transition. Either the players aren’t adjusting or the coach isn’t bothering telling them to be more responsible in their own zone without the puck.

and stop playing. There's only so much a coach can do.

This is exactly what is a coach is supposed to do. If the players are playing lazy then that’s on coaching .

 

[Pinkfloyd]

The common element is a complete lack of puck support from the forwards in our own zone. For whatever reason the forwards are constantly floating near the blue line or the red line waiting for a quick transition. Either the players aren’t adjusting or the coach isn’t bothering telling them to be more responsible in their own zone without the puck.


This is exactly what is a coach is supposed to do. If the players are playing lazy then that’s on coaching .

It's on coaching in the sense that he's ultimately responsible like Grier is ultimately responsible for the performance of the players. In terms of what can actually be done within the game about it, it's not really much. The players have to go out there and put the work in to finish the game off. There aren't really coaching adjustments to make when players stop skating, can't defend anything, and can't move the puck effectively.