GAME #49 - Despite loss Claude remains as coach - Chicago 1 BRUINS 0 F

[Slapshot18]

3 years ago I had said 8 to 10 bad years. That can be shaved down by flawless drafting down to 6 as you say. I'm going to stick to 8 though because I believe there's a good chance Krejci-Bergeron have just played too mhany hard miles. If in a few years we're starting from scratch at C, it's gonna be real tough.

Got a cup in my lifetime and went to game 6. I'll just hold on to that memory during the lost years.

Nothing personal but I'm still pretty young and all of the older guys I talk to tell me how lucky I am to have seen the bruins at such a high point...haha. I agree with the drafting. They have (hopefully) restocked with some high end talent and I think if they can get some of these guys and in the lineup soon and again *hopefully* future prospects in while players like Bergeron Marchand and Tuukka are still playing at a High level. Wishful thinking I suppose. I wish I knew how to solve their current problem. I guess that's why I don't get paid millions to figure it out but it disgusts me to see the same issues for three years in a row. I know it doesn'tmake a huge impact but I'm a diehard fan and have stopped spending my money watching embarrassing games

 

[ODAAT]

The offense has a ton of talent but can't score.

Name a team with the talent on offense we have that has scored less goals. You won't be able to.

a "ton of talent"??????? Um, no, they have some talent but outside of Marchand and at times Pasta, they have NOBODY who forces the D to be consistently aware of their opponents

 

[bobbyorr04]

Read this. Bruins Management Failed to Fix Broken Roster (via https://br.app.link/get-the-app ) http://teamstre.am/2j3V1PD

Thanks for the links, although I didn't read the Bleacher report because I'm usually on my laptop.

I understand that the Bruin's roster still needs improvement, but after the last two "choke jobs" this team pulled off at the end of the last 2 seasons, I mostly blame the head coach, and I'm starting to lose my patience with Neely too.

I think this team needs a BIG shakeup soon, but I'd start with the coach first.

 

[ODAAT]

Thanks for the links, although I didn't read the Bleacher report because I'm usually on my laptop.

I understand that the Bruin's roster still needs improvement, but after the last two "choke jobs" this team pulled off at the end of the last 2 seasons, I mostly blame the head coach, and I'm starting to lose my patience with Neely too.

I think this team needs a BIG shakeup soon, but I'd start with the coach first.

where it SHOULD start and where it will start are two totally different things

Writing is on the wall for Julien, but I`d happily pack up Neely`s belongings and ask him to escort himself out the door

 

[Ryan77]

I am not sure the new coach will make these guys score any better. When they put Tim Schaller in the top 6 that a players issue

This is just it. Claude is an excellent system coach but IMO has always struggled understanding his personnel. He did the same with Paille and Campbell. He would try and make them something they are not and that's 4th liners.

Schaller is having a good year and by no means is this a shot at him, but he's a 4th liner. Period

 

[northeastern]

where it SHOULD start and where it will start are two totally different things

Writing is on the wall for Julien, but I`d happily pack up Neely`s belongings and ask him to escort himself out the door

98.5 was talking about firing CJ last night and said the only reason they don't think Sweeney and Neely will do it is so at the end of the year when they miss the playoffs CJ is the guy that's fired and maybe not them.

 

[bobbyorr04]

where it SHOULD start and where it will start are two totally different things

Writing is on the wall for Julien, but I`d happily pack up Neely`s belongings and ask him to escort himself out the door

It wouldn't bother me if they were both fired on Monday.

 

[mjhfb]

Claude is still here because management sees a team that had several scoring opportunities, but could not score. The coaches job is to create a system that creates opportunities; the players have to finish.

I agree its probably time for him to seek employment elsewhere, but he is not the main reason they are faltering.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Claude is still here because management sees a team that had several scoring opportunities, but could not score. The coaches job is to create a system that creates opportunities; the players have to finish.

I agree its probably time for him to seek employment elsewhere, but he is not the main reason they are faltering.

Beautiful, the simple truth.

No one can coach the puck into the net.

 

[NeelyDan]

What do we know that is a) tangible and b) factual about Cam Neely?

Anything at all?

Or is there a real danger that he's become a scapegoat?

 

[Oates2Neely]

What do we know that is a) tangible and b) factual about Cam Neely?

Anything at all?

Or is there a real danger that he's become a scapegoat?

I'm curious as well. Seems popular here to blame Neely for all that's gone wrong here.

 

[SPLBRUIN]

Beautiful, the simple truth.

No one can coach the puck into the net.

Excuses excuses, people have a million of them for Julien. The sad truth is that since our playoff collapse against the Habs in 2013 Julien has failed as a coach. How else to explain what happened in 2014, missing the playoffs after leading the entire NHL in points in 2013. Then we all know what happened last year, still cannot believe that Julien survived that, especially that 6-1 beatdown at home against the mighty Sens who had about 5-6 regulars out in a must win game. This year is more of the same, although I will say that for the most part they look better then last year, however it's almost certain that we headed for another playoff miss for the 3rd freaking year in a row. Teams like Ottawa and Toronto with mediocre lineups are getting it done, we are not. Julien has had a heck of a run here, but his message has gotten stale, the vets have gotten very complacent, we need new ideas, more talent in the lineup that won't be punished for their every mistake while Julien's many veteran binkies screw up every game with no consequences.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Excuses excuses, people have a million of them for Julien. The sad truth is that since our playoff collapse against the Habs in 2013 Julien has failed as a coach. How else to explain what happened in 2014, missing the playoffs after leading the entire NHL in points in 2013. Then we all know what happened last year, still cannot believe that Julien survived that, especially that 6-1 beatdown at home against the mighty Sens who had about 5-6 regulars out in a must win game. This year is more of the same, although I will say that for the most part they look better then last year, however it's almost certain that we headed for another playoff miss for the 3rd freaking year in a row. Teams like Ottawa and Toronto with mediocre lineups are getting it done, we are not. Julien has had a heck of a run here, but his message has gotten stale, the vets have gotten very complacent, we need new ideas, more talent in the lineup that won't be punished for their every mistake while Julien's many veteran binkies screw up every game with no consequences.

Very true.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Excuses excuses, people have a million of them for Julien. The sad truth is that since our playoff collapse against the Habs in 2013 Julien has failed as a coach. How else to explain what happened in 2014, missing the playoffs after leading the entire NHL in points in 2013. Then we all know what happened last year, still cannot believe that Julien survived that, especially that 6-1 beatdown at home against the mighty Sens who had about 5-6 regulars out in a must win game. This year is more of the same, although I will say that for the most part they look better then last year, however it's almost certain that we headed for another playoff miss for the 3rd freaking year in a row. Teams like Ottawa and Toronto with mediocre lineups are getting it done, we are not. Julien has had a heck of a run here, but his message has gotten stale, the vets have gotten very complacent, we need new ideas, more talent in the lineup that won't be punished for their every mistake while Julien's many veteran binkies screw up every game with no consequences.

Guess you can't handle the simple truth.

 

[Gee Wally]

With the local airwaves and cyberspace abuzz with speculation that the guillotine hangs above coach Claude Julien’s neck, the Bruins knew they needed a strong performance in the wake of ugly losses this week to the Islanders and Red Wings.

Suffice to say the B’s did not play like a team that wanted to see their coach get the ax. Indeed, what they put on display was how effective the Julien system is in shutting down the uber-talented Blackhawks most of the night. They played mostly mistake-free hockey for 58-plus minutes. A few errors at the end spelled the difference between a point or two, and another empty night. And, no doubt, more “Fire Julien†chatter.

“It’s (a) results-based (business),†said Bruins defenseman Torey Krug. “If you’re going to keep losing games, probably something is going to happen. Right now we’re pretty down emotionally, so I don’t want to look at the big picture. We’re just focused on what’s going on in this room and hopefully we can come back with a good effort next time.â€

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...time_running_out_for_bruins_and_claude_julien

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

With the local airwaves and cyberspace abuzz with speculation that the guillotine hangs above coach Claude Julien’s neck, the Bruins knew they needed a strong performance in the wake of ugly losses this week to the Islanders and Red Wings.

Suffice to say the B’s did not play like a team that wanted to see their coach get the ax. Indeed, what they put on display was how effective the Julien system is in shutting down the uber-talented Blackhawks most of the night. They played mostly mistake-free hockey for 58-plus minutes. A few errors at the end spelled the difference between a point or two, and another empty night. And, no doubt, more “Fire Julien” chatter.

“It’s (a) results-based (business),” said Bruins defenseman Torey Krug. “If you’re going to keep losing games, probably something is going to happen. Right now we’re pretty down emotionally, so I don’t want to look at the big picture. We’re just focused on what’s going on in this room and hopefully we can come back with a good effort next time.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/...time_running_out_for_bruins_and_claude_julien

Well stated and true.

Not only did they shutdown the Hawks for 58 minutes, they outshot them and out-chanced them. With a defense of Morrow, Liles, McQuaid, a 20 year old & a 40 year old.

 

[whitetape]

I could be proven wrong as early as today, but my gut feeling is Claude has just been told he's the coach for the rest of the season. He seemed more relaxed in his post-Chicago-game comments, and it makes sense that management would have met with him to discuss the ongoing rumors. Maybe he even demanded such a meeting.

I hope he sticks. Every team in the league goes through slumps, and Claude's teams usually play hard and usually stick to the system. In this case, the big problems are a) lack of a reliable backup goalie b) lots of young players who make good plays but also mistakes and c) lack of scoring depth beyond the first two lines. Some questionable personnel decisions -- Hayes, Beleskey, Khudobin, maybe even Backes (but not Moore or Nash, who have been fine role payers) -- have hurt, and some bad drafts back in the day, though not recently.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

A loss is a loss and that's how any team success is measured. Constantly confused with the team right now. Contrast the NYI game with the effort last night, in many ways polar opposites. Last night the effort was once again there yet they can't find a way to get the result. Credit to Darling as being a huge factor with his play to allow the Hawks to sneak away with a win. Do find the hawks are similar to the B's in a lot of ways. They have had some real stinker performances themselves this season. Definetly benefit from being in the west where they find ways to eke out wins in arguably a weaker conference. Bruins simply don't. Last night was a case in point.

Despite the teeth gnashing for a pound of Claude's flesh, he has tried more combinations of lines this year than in his entire tenure in Boston. As is the case with the majority of NHL teams the so called bottom 6 forwards, second/third D parings, and back ups have truly become bargain basement purchases for the league. For anyone was has ever gone that route for a purchase, the mind set is to convince yourself of a great deal even though you see the flaws and lack of quality with the purchase. You reluctantly see it through knowing full well you simply don't have much in the way of an option.

The cap has given rise to the top half of rosters getting the lions share of salary available and the remaining is spread thinly between all others. Continuing to role through options on those type players will ensure a team stays in state of mediocrity for longer than any fan can take. Largely two methods are available to change that reality. Tanking is arguably a much longer process with a long period to endure in getting back to some level of being a true contender. The other is to build through the draft which brings the pain many here are now suffering through. Building in that manner also requires a balance of trades and free agent signings to build a truly competitive roster. The draft build has been in progress, the other two pieces require timely moves to leverage getting pieces that move you forward not sideways or backwards. Once the dust has settled on the expansion draft, entry draft and cap situations, the timing for other moves may yield much better results than settling for perceived fixes to make the fan base feel better today. Patience is required but it will yield better results in the long run.

 

[TheBigBadB]

Well stated and true.

Not only did they shutdown the Hawks for 58 minutes, they outshot them and out-chanced them. With a defense of Morrow, Liles, McQuaid and a 20 year old.

Of course they want to keep him. Especially the fat and happy vets that are never held accountable for bad performances.

By the way no participation trophies are awarded for shutting down the Hawks and still losing.

So I guess you are satisfied with the current roster. Trades aren't all that easy unless you include all prospects and picks this is the team for the rest of the year

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Of course they want to keep him. Especially the fat and happy vets that are never held accountable for bad performances.

By the way no participation trophies are awarded for shutting down the Hawks and still losing.

So I guess you are satisfied with the current roster. Trades aren't all that easy unless you include all prospects and picks this is the team for the rest of the year

Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

Satisfied with the coach, not the roster.

 

[ap3lovr]

Claude is still here because management sees a team that had several scoring opportunities, but could not score. The coaches job is to create a system that creates opportunities; the players have to finish.

I agree its probably time for him to seek employment elsewhere, but he is not the main reason they are faltering.

A shot from 30 feet out is not a scoring chance. This team plays the perimeter, and they don't try to create opportunities. They would rather cycle the puck that have someone skate a lane to the net. The third man up high is the reason this team can't put the puck in the net at the rate we are expecting. You lose the 3rd man up high, and let him skate lanes or cause havok in front of the net, and we are scoring at a higher pace.

 

[bp13]

What do we know that is a) tangible and b) factual about Cam Neely?

Anything at all?

Or is there a real danger that he's become a scapegoat?

You know he took the job before 2011 and the organization was about to draft #2 overall and go win a Cup. They were neck and neck with Chicago for the envy of the league. 6 season later they are headed towards a third straight DNQ, they've traded a superstar for basically nothing, and nobody has any real idea of what the plan is.

So I would say you know that he's no good at his job. Feels like an open and shut case to me.

 

[TheBigBadB]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

Satisfied with the coach, not the roster.

Right because no coach should be fired unless they have selke winner, and a selke candidate, a Norris Trophy winner, an elite goalie ...oh wait...

The roster is not horrible, but there is malaise across the vets and Claude just lets it happen on his watch

 

[DNE3]

Julien still coaching his circa 2006 NJ Devils system hockey, clog all avenues, puck possession, and with second-rate talent this time around. Modern hockey locomotive left the train station and Claude was left behind on the platform. But let Claude finish out this season and then turn the corner. Or else be caught being a glutton for more punishment.

 

[NeelyDan]

You know he took the job before 2011 and the organization was about to draft #2 overall and go win a Cup. They were neck and neck with Chicago for the envy of the league. 6 season later they are headed towards a third straight DNQ, they've traded a superstar for basically nothing, and nobody has any real idea of what the plan is.

So I would say you know that he's no good at his job. Feels like an open and shut case to me.

I would agree, if only I could definitively state where the authority, accountability and execution broke down in reality. Many would say that's a GM failing, among other factors, before looking to a President.

That's really why I asked what we know that's factual. You are speculating.