Post-Game Talk: GAME #48 - B's blow 3 goal lead but get the loser point - Detroit 6 BRUINS 5 F/SO

[ap3lovr]

Since Rask took that puck off the head he has looked out of sorts. We will see if he bounces back or not. It doesn't matter though, the team in front of him took their foot off the gas. They stopped sending 2 guys deep in the 2nd period and tried to win the game 3-0. Once a team stops pushing, it is hard to start again in game.

 

[BruinDust]

Backes was putrid...put him back on wing

Backes looked like he was lost in the defensive zone. Countless times he was up high trying to do the wingers job, even though the winger was already there.

But let's not act like he can't play center. Guy's been a Selke nominee as a center. But moving from wing to center is a tough adjustment when you haven't played there in months, despite playing the position previously for another club. Combine the fact Backes has all of 2 games experience in Claude's system as a center.

Heck he practice just that morning as a winger.

Just more player mismanagement from this coaching staff. Backes should of seen time at center several times before this game, even on a on-off basis. Get him familiar with the system as a center, because it's a tough gig under Julien in the middle.

Instead, Julien has been married to the Krejci-Backes combo for far too long.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Well, the Joe is an old dilapidated building. Doors are bound to be off their hinges.

The world is an imperfect place, screws fall out all the time...

 

[pgm16]

They have blown a huge opportunity to get within 3 or 4 points of Montreal. I realize the games in hand that Toronto & company have will probably eliminate us, hope it doesn't, however my goal is to catch Montreal !!!! Heck that is my goal every year....

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

rask is literally the least of our problems along with pasta. almost any other player, coach or exec comes first.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Any talk of coming away with a loser point has no relevance in the conversation as it truly doesn't warrant that. Feels like more than a mere loss and a very painful one at that. Struggle to explain how to even describe what transpired. Often talk of the team showing a Jekyll and Hyde personality from game to game. This was more from period to period. Confusing as hell and oh so hard on the head for any fan.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

love vatrano on that first line.

now we have to get spooner centering pasta.

rask plays like he had all season we win that game 5-1.

liles and morrow are also a downgrade defensively to the two millers. it also gives the old man more icetime.

 

[Ryan77]

Jesus. I've been critical of Rask previously, even this season. But which goals this game were on him? Maybe one, to go with a gamble on a shootout attempt which made him look silly. He had saves to make up for it, and if not for defensive breakdowns, it could've been a 5-1 game. He has the same SVS% as Price, and 2.11 GAA to Price's 2.35, Rask has one more win and one more loss, as well as 5 shutouts to Price's 2... and Rask has a patchwork defence with a somewhat up and down Chara as its leader, compared to Montreal's fairly seasoned D (although missing Markov for a while) with Shea ****ing Weber in his late prime. Our backups have amongst the worst stats in the league, while Montoya is just outside the top 30 in SVS%.

Settle down. As far as goalies go, we couldn't be doing much better, if at all.

Couldn't disagree more, we could be getting the same production from someone and paying 4 million. The conversation is not if Rask is a good goalie, it's is he worth his 7 million cap hit. The answer is not. IMO as a team your better to build a could team around a goalie making 3-5 million.

Didn't like the Rask deal from day one and hate it even more. Just my opinion.

 

[Terrier]

Billy Jaffe will be on 98.5(the Clode Watch) at 1 p.m. to discuss whatever carnage breaks by then.

 

[BruinDust]

love vatrano on that first line.

now we have to get spooner centering pasta.

rask plays like he had all season we win that game 5-1.

liles and morrow are also a downgrade defensively to the two millers. it also gives the old man more icetime.

Offensively I like it.

My main criticism is he REALLY struggled on break-outs on the right-hand side. And it helped keep the Bergeron line hemmed in far too much in the 2nd period onward.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Couldn't disagree more, we could be getting the same production from someone and paying 4 million. The conversation is not if Rask is a good goalie, it's is he worth his 7 million cap hit. The answer is not. IMO as a team your better to build a could team around a goalie making 3-5 million.

Didn't like the Rask deal from day one and hate it even more. Just my opinion.

Show me a list of all the readily available guys putting up Vezina finalist numbers over multiple seasons, that are making $4 mil or less.

 

[BsEuphoria]

I know I'm almost alone, but I still think there's real talent on this team.

Your not alone, and I think that's why I'm so annoyed with this team this year.

 

[Gnome17]

So I just finished watching this game. Went to bed after the first period.
This team..It´s beyond frustrating. So soft, mentally.
They showed how well they can play hockey in the first period.
And then what happened. Ugh.
Pastrnak is starting to frustrate me beyond belief. It´s not just that he doesnt score goals, most things he does out there seems lazy and badly executed. He has so many bad yolo passas every game..ugh.
Frustrating.

 

[mislysBB]

Show me a list of all the readily available guys putting up Vezina finalist numbers over multiple seasons, that are making $4 mil or less.

Don't ask for a list, they won't give you one.

And the fact that someone mentioned getting Bishop in an earlier post is incredibly laughable. Please.

 

[JCRO]

Couldn't disagree more, we could be getting the same production from someone and paying 4 million. The conversation is not if Rask is a good goalie, it's is he worth his 7 million cap hit. The answer is not. IMO as a team your better to build a could team around a goalie making 3-5 million.

Didn't like the Rask deal from day one and hate it even more. Just my opinion.

And there are many that couldnt disagree more with this. You build from the net out. If you brought this point up last season, I may have been more enticed to side with your point. However Rask is earning his contract this season. His contract IMO is the least of the Bs worries in terms of pay and duration.

 

[Fenway]

Here are the lowlights

 

[Ryan77]

And there are many that couldnt disagree more with this. You build from the net out. If you brought this point up last season, I may have been more enticed to side with your point. However Rask is earning his contract this season. His contract IMO is the least of the Bs worries in terms of pay and duration.

I have brought this up time and time again, last year, year before that and this year.

Rask has good numbers so far this year but he lacks the ability to come up big when needed (last night he was needed) he starting to show his true colours. I get it the defence is not great but he's suppose to help that out on a consistent basis. He's just not the goalie I would have signed but hey not my call I guess

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Carey Price not as good as most think either, CBC and RDS all ooh and ah over every simple save he makes. I am just saying Rask himself not elite because some on here think he is, but he is not. He can be good for stretches, but he is not a cup winning goalie IMHO, 2013 vs the Hawks he collapsed and no other years he did anything to win games on his own or carry the team, so to me that is not elite. I would trade his big salary for a top pairing d man and then try get a guy like Murray for less $$.

I'll say that there's a corrolary - Rask IS elite (and his numbers and overall performance backs that up) despite some on here who says he's not. People on here saying he's overrated need to get their head out of their collective *****.

 

[Ryan77]

Show me a list of all the readily available guys putting up Vezina finalist numbers over multiple seasons, that are making $4 mil or less.

Vezina finalist numbers season after season??? Last year and the year before that were Vezina numbers??

Are you asking who I would replace with Rask provided his NMC would be waived

He won the Vezina one year while having an amazing defensive core.

Just saying when your team scores 5 goals and gives up 26 shots, that's a game you have to win period.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

But we didn't and when we needed him he was not there, game 4 losing 6-5 he could not stop a beach ball, then of course the famous collapse in game 6. I admit that was his best season and he was the reason we beat the Pens in the ECF, but outside of that year he has not really ever carried the team at times like elite goalies do. Would rather have Matt Murray young goalie on cheaper deal and I think he is a very good goalie, then we deal Rask for a d- man.

Let me ask you this - if neither Rask nor Price are elite (as you've repeatedly said in this thread), exactly who in this league IS elite?

 

[Dr Hook]

I'll say that there's a corrolary - Rask IS elite (and his numbers and overall performance backs that up) despite some on here who says he's not. People on here saying he's overrated need to get their head out of their collective *****.

Yes, Tuuka is one of the top 5, maybe top 3 goalies in the league- at times I've thought he might even be the best, but at that level it's a close run thing. He didn't look bad on any of the goals to me. He got the Dobby/Subban/McIntyre treatment last night from his teammates and from the post-game interviews, it is clear he wasn't the least bit happy about it.

 

[Noweare]

I know I'm almost alone, but I still think there's real talent on this team.

Your right, there is. But these days there is a lot of talent through out the league. Not like we are back in the 60's.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Had no problem with Spooner on the last goal either.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one.

 

[LSCII]

I'll say that there's a corrolary - Rask IS elite (and his numbers and overall performance backs that up) despite some on here who says he's not. People on here saying he's overrated need to get their head out of their collective *****.

This is exactly right. He covered up the porous defense for 2 months, but eventually all players cool off. Now that he's not throwing up a .940 save percentage, the team is being exposed. This whole season has been a house of cards. Forwards being asked to come back and cover more for the crappy d. Goalies being expected to play out of their minds just to cover up the crappy d. And yes, that speaks to a failure on Sweeney's part, but let's not forget who picks the players to dress, the TOI, and the roles they're used in. That's a huge part of it too. This nonsense for two seasons that the system is going to be tweaked, yet never does is all on Claude.

 

[BergyWho37]

What I see:

Backes loses a battle for the puck and it goes to the wall. Spooner supports and takes the body ( correct play ) as the puck moves down low . Spooner sees Morrow about to get the puck and waits for the out pass along the wall ( again, the correct play by Spooner ) while Backes drifts down low to support but over commits once he sees Morrow lose the puck. The puck comes back to the original opposing player as Spooner can't collapse to support fast enough.

Most of the blame here goes to Backes. He loses the original battle for the puck, then over commits and heads to the wrong side of the net ( looks like he's trying to anticipate where the player is going with the puck ).

Morrow loses his battle down low in what should have been an easy play: corral the puck and send it along the boards to Spooner. I can't tell what happens to the puck other than it obviously gets by Morrow. He makes the correct play by moving to the front of the net as the puck carrier takes it behind the net, but is too slow to react to the pass.

The optics look bad for Spooner because it appears he's not supporting and the eventual goal scorer is a few feet ahead of him. But, he makes the correct play twice in this sequence. You'd like to see him with more hustle going after the goal scorer, but Backes not going to the front of the net and Morrow's inability to collect the puck is not his fault. He got caught flat footed expecting the others to do their job while waiting along the wall where he should be and was too slow to react once Morrow and Backes crumbled down low.

Backes looked like he was lost in the defensive zone. Countless times he was up high trying to do the wingers job, even though the winger was already there.

But let's not act like he can't play center. Guy's been a Selke nominee as a center. But moving from wing to center is a tough adjustment when you haven't played there in months, despite playing the position previously for another club. Combine the fact Backes has all of 2 games experience in Claude's system as a center.

Heck he practice just that morning as a winger.

Just more player mismanagement from this coaching staff. Backes should of seen time at center several times before this game, even on a on-off basis. Get him familiar with the system as a center, because it's a tough gig under Julien in the middle.

Instead, Julien has been married to the Krejci-Backes combo for far too long.

This is exactly how it went down and on the 5th goal Krug chases his man behind the net to let him skate directly in front of the net and then stops covering him, just watches the pass ... Spooner last minute sees him, try's to cover with basically no hope coz he already has body position.

Mean while Backes and Nash still try to figure out who's right wing