GDT: Game 42: Red Wings vs kraken 3:00 pm et 1/12/25

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It really makes you wonder what the heck he was doing. We've all seen coaches lose teams, but I've never seen a team skate at half speed for half a season because of a coach.
poisoned the teams water supply .. it's crazy how this team just turned the switch on.. his stupid defensive system with no shots was the problem
 
My thoughts about the game:

Refs were helpful, but i think the team created situations were the Kraken players were faced with tough choices(Most certainly not biased here).

Seider and Ben had abit of a quiet offensive game 5v5, but did a solid job defending. They're both great at winning possession behind the net in the defensive zone, looks tough for teams to cycle against this pair.

Edvinsson and Johansson did a great job activating offensively and both played great part in scoring early. It's great to see Johansson looking more confident out there, he still needs to get stronger, but he's really solid out there making good decisions with the puck.

Cat and Kane are having fun out there.

4th line looked good, could've scored if Motte wasn't.. Well Motte. Veleno has come alive, and i'd like to see him replace Berggren on the 3rd line to give it more speed.

1st line looks good and i think Kasper makes alot of underrated plays, but i still wanna see that offensive edge come out.

Holl and Gus were solid aswell, even though i have to shake my head sometimes when Holl handles the puck like a grenade.

Very fun to finally see that first proper blow-out win of the season!
 
I expected a spark, but I didn't expect a 7 game streak and such a big turnaround in energy and play. Todd's first game loss I don't even count, they said he spent about an hour with the team before the game, which is no time to change a team's system. I blame the residual Fester stank on that one.

I just wanted watchable games, the start to the season has been slow and uneventful, I'm thrilled with how they are playing now. No more 10 shots through 2 periods games.
 
7 straight wins and f*** all to show for it, because our dogshit ass division decided they wanted to show up right at the same time 👍

Only thing that sucks is we got hot, but Mtl, and a few others also got hot and we gained very little ground. We of course will cool off at some point, which shows just how hard it is to make up 8 pts that we were back before this even with a 7 game win streak.

Wondering how the team will react once the winning streak dies off and they get used to full day to day with Todd.

Love the whole teams skating effort change with the new coach, as I legit thought Kane was skating his retirement tour before the coaching change.

it was always a matter of time until someone did

someone making a wildcard spot with like 85 points or whatever was never a thing that was going to happen

realistically if the Wings want to make it they'll probably need to end up somewhere around the mid 90s in points with an outside chance of it being low 90s or high 90s instead, that was never going to not be true when it was all said and done
 
it was always a matter of time until someone did

someone making a wildcard spot with like 85 points or whatever was never a thing that was going to happen

realistically if the Wings want to make it they'll probably need to end up somewhere around the mid 90s in points with an outside chance of it being low 90s or high 90s instead, that was never going to not be true when it was all said and done
85 to 90 is enough in the east, 91 to 97 in the west.

All the teams fighting for the wild card spots are on pace for 82 to 89 points.
 
85 to 90 is enough in the east, 91 to 97 in the west.

All the teams fighting for the wild card spots are on pace for 82 to 89 points.

yes and that won't be true by the end of the season

less than 90 points has been enough for a wild card spot literally once in the entire history of the wild card system(9 full seasons) and that wasn't even in the east, it's an incredibly unrealistic thing to even hope for regardless of what paces say halfway into the season
 
Only thing that sucks is we got hot, but Mtl, and a few others also got hot and we gained very little ground. We of course will cool off at some point, which shows just how hard it is to make up 8 pts that we were back before this even with a 7 game win streak.
Right now I don't even really care about the other teams. We're on pace for like 86 points, that shouldn't be expected to be enough to make the playoffs. If we can keep going and push that number into the 91-93 point range, that's when you start to look if other teams are able to match it.

Wings need to take care of their own business, standings position doesn't matter right now.
 
How did I miss Kakko trade in December? I seen him on the ice today like wtf? Thought he was still on NYR...
I don't understand why Yzerman didn't get him. I think he would fit on our team. There was another player top 5 pick who is a center, we played his team few games ago, I don't remember which one.
I believe they both would easily outplay Copp and Compher.

No, you should go to rest/shell mode when it's a clear win. That's how Contenders will do. Game was over at 5-0. And you should not look on any late statistics on those kind of games.
I think you are the only one on this board saying we are a contender. Those young players need to build confidence. And it was very unfair to Talbot who despite the big win made a few huge saves. I hope Mclellan will address this.
And to be completely honest, your post is so contradictory that I even don't know what you mean.
Yeah. Kane is playing some of the best hockey I’ve seen.

He’s hustling. Back checking and forechecking.

I know he was held off the USA so I imagine he’s salty about. Dudes a winner. I’m not saying he’s prime Kane… he’s 36 with a replaced hip but he’s been soo damn good.

Knock on wood.
I have complained about Kane for about at least 6 months and wondered why Yzerman doesn't get rid of him. Kane has been impressive late, much better than the hot streaks last season. I didn't think he had it in him.
 
yes and that won't be true by the end of the season

less than 90 points has been enough for a wild card spot literally once in the entire history of the wild card system(9 full seasons) and that wasn't even in the east, it's an incredibly unrealistic thing to even hope for regardless of what paces say halfway into the season
Even if that was correct, you have to remember that the teams we are fighting for the playoff spot have to play as well as you think our team has to do. You understand that if we have to keep .550 pace they can't make it with .520 or .510. I find it crazy you think we need 91 points while the Bruins and the blue jackets can make it with 87.
90 points entails that all these teams have to play better than their current record, not only the Wings.
 
yes and that won't be true by the end of the season

less than 90 points has been enough for a wild card spot literally once in the entire history of the wild card system(9 full seasons) and that wasn't even in the east, it's an incredibly unrealistic thing to even hope for regardless of what paces say halfway into the season

That was two years ago, and in the last season cutoff was 91 points. Those two are the most relevant observations. East is not split across have and have-nots anymore, Bruins/Rags/Bolts/Pens declined and a lot of bad teams improved, so situation from couple of years ago is not 1-to-1 applicable. With so many teams being in the hunt they will cannibalise each other.
 
Even if that was correct, you have to remember that the teams we are fighting for the playoff spot have to play as well as you think our team has to do. You understand that if we have to keep .550 pace they can't make it with .520 or .510. I find it crazy you think we need 91 points while the Bruins and the blue jackets can make it with 87.
90 points entails that all these teams have to play better than their current record, not only the Wings.

the Bruins and Blue Jackets aren't making it with 87 either, someone will get in the 90s whether that's them or the Wings or the Senators or the Canadiens or the Penguins or the Rangers or the Flyers or even the Sabres if they went on a winning streak tomorrow



That was two years ago, and in the last season cutoff was 91 points. Those two are the most relevant observations. East is not split across have and have-nots anymore, Bruins/Rags/Bolts/Pens declined and a lot of bad teams improved, so situation from couple of years ago is not 1-to-1 applicable. With so many teams being in the hunt they will cannibalise each other.

no it was 9 years ago, and in the Western Conference at that
 
I don't think we should look too much at pace right now. That changes throughout the season. We were at a 70 points pace just two weeks ago.

We need to go .600 for the rest of the season to get 92 points.
 
the Bruins and Blue Jackets aren't making it with 87 either, someone will get in the 90s whether that's them or the Wings or the Senators or the Canadiens or the Penguins or the Rangers or the Flyers or even the Sabres if they went on a winning streak tomorrow





no it was 9 years ago, and in the Western Conference at that
Sorry, i misremembered that, that were 92 points. I kind of remembered the talk of cutoff being surprisingly low. But overall point stands, i'm not sure how history is applicable here with parity currently observed in the East.
 
Right now I don't even really care about the other teams. We're on pace for like 86 points, that shouldn't be expected to be enough to make the playoffs. If we can keep going and push that number into the 91-93 point range, that's when you start to look if other teams are able to match it.

Wings need to take care of their own business, standings position doesn't matter right now.

Yeah, I think it is still unlikely for us to make it, with so many teams in front of us and near us. 7 Wins in a row and we are still only 7 pts ahead of last in the Conference. Lalonde really screwed our season.

At least we are playing like a hockey team though and not whatever we were doing with Lalonde.
 
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Yeah, I think it is still unlikely for us to make it, with so many teams in front of us and near us. 7 Wins in a row and we are still only 7 pts ahead of last in the Conference. Lalonde really screwed our season.

At least we are playing like a hockey team though and not whatever we were doing with Lalonde.
I think we'll have a good idea at the 4 nations break.

13 games left until that.

My estimation is they need ~17-18 points to feel truly good about their playoff hopes.

With the schedule coming up, that'll be very difficult though.

Just looking at a realistic record:

vs SJ - W
@ FLA - L
@ TBL - L
@ DAL - L
@ PHI - W
vs MTL - W
vs TBL - L
vs LAK - L
@ EDM - L
@ CGY - W
@ VAN - L
@ SEA - W
vs. TBL - L

That'd be 10 points.
Can they find another ~3 wins and an OTL or two in there?
 
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I think we'll have a good idea at the 4 nations break.

13 games left until that.

My estimation is they need ~17-18 points to feel truly good about their playoff hopes.

With the schedule coming up, that'll be very difficult though.

Just looking at a realistic record:

vs SJ - W
@ FLA - L
@ TBL - L
@ DAL - L
@ PHI - W
vs MTL - W
vs TBL - L
vs LAK - L
@ EDM - L
@ CGY - W
@ VAN - L
@ SEA - W
vs. TBL - L

That'd be 10 points.
Can they find another ~3 wins and an OTL or two in there?

I think we will get the customary cool off once the new coach thing wears off and we will be closer to a .500 team the rest of the way. Talbot in particular to me seems to have played worse in the new system and that could hurt us in the second half.

I think the pre-Todd run was just too rough for us to make up. That said, I actually am hoping that Steve might make a bigger trade from now til the deadline to actually makes us a better team. I am not against giving up 2nd rounders and decent prospects to improve our team, especially our defence.
 
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I think we'll have a good idea at the 4 nations break.

13 games left until that.

My estimation is they need ~17-18 points to feel truly good about their playoff hopes.

With the schedule coming up, that'll be very difficult though.

Just looking at a realistic record:

vs SJ - W
@ FLA - L
@ TBL - L
@ DAL - L
@ PHI - W
vs MTL - W
vs TBL - L
vs LAK - L
@ EDM - L
@ CGY - W
@ VAN - L
@ SEA - W
vs. TBL - L

That'd be 10 points.
Can they find another ~3 wins and an OTL or two in there?
I don't know man. We've had Tampas number for a minute now, I expect at least two of the Tampa games are W. But, I could see shit going sideways against SJ/MTL/SEA. It's a total crapshoot, and the Wings are notorious for beating the top tier guys, and shitting the bed against the bottom feeders.
 
What a game. Most of our players look resurrected under Todd. (Not you, Tarasenko.)
Even Gustafsson and Holl look better. That said, keep Petry in the press box once he gets better.
 
I don't know man. We've had Tampas number for a minute now, I expect at least two of the Tampa games are W. But, I could see shit going sideways against SJ/MTL/SEA. It's a total crapshoot, and the Wings are notorious for beating the top tier guys, and shitting the bed against the bottom feeders.
I agree at least one of the Tampa games could be wins. I don't know if Vancouver and LA are impossible either. But yeah, we might drop one of the more "winnable" games.. either way, some real tests coming up.
 
"Parity", aka mass mediocrity, is already producing strange things in the EC, ie the Caps at the top. A team gets hot, it can stay hot for a couple months because there are so few great teams. Boston and NYR are now down among the medioce, CBJ moving up to mediocre. Who in the EC is a seller this year? Even Buffalo says it has no interest in adding prospects/Draft picks.

Odds are a couple WC contenders will get hot the last six weeks and it takes 93-95 points to make the playoffs. But we're in a new EC world and less than that, all but one or two teams still with a chance the final week, could happen. The jockeying back and forth in the standings at this point doesn't mean very much. Just don't go on a 10-game skid and you'll stay in the hunt.
 
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