GDT: Game 38/82 Sabres @ Blues 2PM CST FDSNMW

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Robb_K

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Glad I missed this awful game based on the descriptions in this thread. It's kind of sad when we have a season, in which, a retired super fan of a team with lots of free time, doesn't mind missing watching games, especially when said fan is interested in watching the development of its young players.
 
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Brian39

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How bout high danger shooting percentage? Pasternak is a much better goal scorer than Kyrou, sorry. Kyrou excellent at creating chances, not finishing them.
I'm not aware of any publicly available data that breaks down individual shooting percentage by danger. Anyone digging that deep is selling the data (as they should). But none of the available numbers support your claim that Kyrou is "excellent at creating chances, not finishing them."

He is not at (or even near) the top of league in high danger chances or expected goals. This year, Kyrou is 96th in the NHL in individual high danger chances and 73rd in individual expected goals. In the previous 3 seasons combined he was 152nd in individual high danger chances and 83rd in individual expected goals. He is simply not a guy who has an elite or near-elite volume of chances. He is 'good' in this area, but he is simply not at-or-near the top of the league in the raw number of chances.

However, he is noticeably higher up the list in actual goals. This year he is in a 12 way tie for 28th in actual goals and in the 3 year sample he is 40th in actual goals. He is consistently outscoring what he should be scoring based on the danger of his chances. Let's compare how he outscores his chances to the way other studs do (2021/22 through 2023/24):

His 'individual goals over individual expected goals' is +30.06. That is 15th in the NHL. Drai is 1st at +51.8, with Matthews (+47), Pasta (+41.67), Tage (+38.06), and Rantanen (+36.77) rounding out the top 5. Kyrou outscores his expected goals by a near-elite margin.

Let's look at the ratio of high danger chances to goals. Kyrou had a goal for every 2.22 high danger chances. That is the 9th highest ratio of the 86 players who scored 70+ goals in that 3 year sample. Panarin, Keller, Stamkos, McCann, Ovi, Drai, Pasta, and Tage were the 8 guys who had fewer high danger chances per goal scored. So again, Kyrou's 'goals per high danger chance' is in that near-elite territory.

It is possible that he sucks at shooting the puck on high danger chances, but balances that out by being the best low-and-medium danger shooter in the league. I think that is much, much, much less likely than the alternative explanation that you simply don't see (or notice, or remember) all of the misses from high danger chances around the league (elite finishers included).

The reality of the sport is that the vast majority of high danger chances don't result in goals. Over 80% of high danger shots are saved by the goalie. That number does not count any high danger shot attempt that is blocked, hits the post, or goes high/wide. Goalies have stopped 68% of all attempts in the history of the shootout. That is an environment that selects for the best shooters on the team AND allows them to choose their speed without a back checker limiting their options. And guys still score less than a third of the time.

I wouldn't consider Kyrou an elite finisher. But he is absolutely a high level finisher and I think he converts his high danger chances at a comparable level to the other non-elite high level finishers.
 

A1LeafNation

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Binner: 5-12, .890 Sv%, 3.01 GAA
Hofer: 5-2, .907 SV%, 2.40GAA

Should be a 50-50 split minimum right now.
 

Brian39

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Which goal should Binner have stopped besides the 4th one? I'm wondering if you only read the box score instead of watching the game.

We outplayed them in most ways but gave up too many prime scoring chances. Those brain farts cost us the game along with our lack of finishing ability and atrocious power play. Binner wasn't great but he also wasn't "awful." The 4th goal didn't cost us the game.
Binner did a poor job tracking the puck off the faceoff on their 1st goal. It wouldn't have been a routine save had he been tracking well, but his mediocre pre-shot movement ensured that he had zero chance of stopping it.

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He's not as far off his angle as that screenshot makes it look, but he is about a half shuffle behind where he should have been at the release of the shot. He was slow in recognizing that it was going to be a one-timer, which left him flat-footed as the shot/pass was leaving the blade. He also didn't do anything to account for the player sliding backdoor. He didn't do anything to angle his body toward a potential back door tap in, which left a wide open net (with his toe pulling inward away from the puck as the deflection came toward him). Not a huge mistake and it would have been a perfectly fine save selection had he not been behind on tracking the puck. But it compounded the issue of being behind. To be clear, I do not consider this a bad goal. But he probably would have stopped it with perfect pre-shot tracking. Krebs didn't place the deflection all that well and a goalie not behind the play likely would have been in the area the puck traveled.

I'm not going to blame him for goal #2 either. Tage has a hell of a release and he ripped a damn hard shot from the home plate area off the rush. But it did go between Binner's chest and arm/blocker. Binner twitched his blocker outward before trying to bring it back in and that was enough to leave the hole. Again, like the 1st goal it wasn't a bad goal. But it wasn't an unstoppable shot.

I didn't like his decision to go into the RVH on goal #3. I think this goal is an example of the (league-wide) RVH overuse that Henrik Lundqvist keeps talking about. The decision to RVH left him sitting in a goal-line butterfly with his toe on the near post for a slot-shot one-timer. He had no ability to push outward to make himself big without opening up major holes. That is what left the far side wide open and forced him to try a low percentage gangly kick/glove save. A better pre-shot/pass selection would have left him able to get off the goal line toward the release to try and make a blocking butterfly save. That wouldn't have guaranteed a save, but it would have given him a much better chance. It looked to me like the Buffalo player in the bottom of the circle was specifically looking for him to RVH in order to make that pass.

And then you have the 4th goal which was genuinely awful.

The 4th goal is the only one I'd describe as truly bad, but there were flaws in his execution on each of the other 3 goals. He was waving at pucks on goals 1 and 3 that could have been blocking saves with better pre-pass movements/decisions. There wasn't a single one of those 4 that was a 'practically unstoppable' play with proper pre-pass/shot movement/decisions. The first 3 were well-executed plays by Buffalo and none of them were 'routine' saves. But they were stoppable and more often than not a league average goalie is going to stop at least 1 of the 3.

I wouldn't describe his overall game as awful, but I'd say he had a middling 56 minutes before allowing an absolutely brutal backbreaker with less than 4 minutes left. Buffalo absolutely shouldn't have had more than 3 goals and more often than not they would have been held at (or below) 2. I would absolutely say that Binner's performance was worse than the overall team performance.
 
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AjaxManifesto

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This game pissed me off.

Special teams have been torpedoing this team.
100%

Our PP is way too static. It's SLOW and PREDICTABLE. Everyone is just making small movements around the perimeter and passing to the guy to their right or left on the perimeter. That's not fooling anyone. Given that we have some skilled players with speed, our PP performance is almost criminal.

They need guys cutting through the zone coverage to open up cross perimeter passing lanes.
 
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joe galiba

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This game pissed me off.


100%

Our PP is way too static. It's SLOW and PREDICTABLE. Everyone is just making small movements around the perimeter and passing to the guy to their right or left on the perimeter. That's not fooling anyone. Given that we have some skilled players with speed, our PP performance is almost criminal.

They need guys cutting through the zone coverage to open up cross perimeter passing lanes.
We keep putting players at qb that have no business being there
 
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ChicagoBlues

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Glad I missed this awful game based on the descriptions in this thread. It's kind of sad when we have a season, in which, a retired super fan of a team with lots of free time, doesn't mind missing watching games, especially when said fan is interested in watching the development of its young players.
Me too! I haven't been available to watch these last 3 or 4 games and glad I haven't missed it. This is a strange season.
 

joe galiba

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This is the most fundamental problem. QB and the missing dynamism that Ajax reference are the problems with the PP, imo.

Ott isn't in charge of the PP, is he?
currently who could be PP QB-

Faulk - no
Parayko - no
Suter - no
Tucker - no
Fowler - maybe ok ish, but not really
Bro - TBD but possibly, all day long and twice on Sunday compared to those listed above
Peru - yes

what the F*#k are they doing?
I am essentially an idiot and I can see it
 

BlueSeal

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We haven't been good since we got Buch, I can only assume at this point he's responsible and he's clearly a locker room cancer. I mean we got him for Blais and a 2nd, obviously the rangers just wanted him f***ing gone. Now we know why.

So either the entire Rangers team is all Cancer or that organization is the Cancer.

This team has sucked since Chief was here and we won a Cup with him.

I think the situation is more Monty and his coaching sucking hard balls with, with rare f-king exception, how to organize the roster effectively and sticking to what is working.

And f-k Cancer.
 

Robb_K

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Me too! I haven't been available to watch these last 3 or 4 games and glad I haven't missed it. This is a strange season.
At least both teams should bring their best game to tomorrow's Winter Classic. I'm guessing that The Blues, being the better team, will play really hard and energetically, and come out with the win against their hated rival.
 
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