Post-Game Talk: Game 37: Seattle Kraken (15-19-2, 7-11-0 Away) at Vancouver Canucks (17-10-7, 7-7-5 Home) - 1:00 p.m. PT

Fuhrious

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Did I say anything wrong? Do you think this is sustainable? Us scoring 5 goals a night? I will happily take this but I need to see way more till I am convinced otherwise.
lmao arguing with the guy who never ever ever admits he's wrong...a few days ago I was randomly reminded how they told me this past offseason that there was NO WAY CV would go into this season with a Steszka / Kokko tandem.

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...what the hell? I switched back to the Flyers game at 1-4, figuring that was that. Didn't even know they came all the way back until reading this thread. :oops:

Dunn is an animal, love that guy.
 

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Did I say anything wrong? Do you think this is sustainable? Us scoring 5 goals a night? I will happily take this but I need to see way more till I am convinced otherwise.

Na not really. It does get tiring when the skaters don't show up and perform well with gru in net.
 

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I watched a few minutes of the ECH post-game stream and the “HELL YA WE’RE BACK BABY” was too much for me to take.
Like @The Marquis said, I think most of the fans listening to ECH are casual fans and while ECH has been fairly upfront about their thoughts on the issues with the team including Francis, coaching and the players, they do like to foster more of a laid back environment and try to keep a positive outlook.
 

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Forgot this was an early game. Good comeback win. Defense and Gru still played like turds though. Sucks that you need to score 5 to win when Gru is in net.
I didn't even feel like Gru was all that bad in this game despite getting shellacked. We just had a lot of really bad breakdowns in front of him and that no goalie was going to be able to do much about. Coach Campbell even spoke to that in her interview.
 

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I didn't even feel like Gru was all that bad in this game despite getting shellacked. We just had a lot of really bad breakdowns in front of him and that no goalie was going to be able to do much about. Coach Campbell even spoke to that in her interview.
I don’t know, his confidence looks absolutely shot. If you really key on him, he will make a really spectacular “reaction” type save like the one on Boeser and then just freeze. He will often look vaguely over his shoulder wide-eyed, clearly not tracking where the puck went after it hit him (something most goalies “feel”, especially elite ones) and is afraid to “scramble” and possibly make it worse. So he just lies there, wide-eyed, for some noticeable seconds while players swirl around him hammering for the rebound.

Daccord isn’t necessarily “elite” but you’ll often see him lunge in the direction he senses the puck rebounded or at worst attempt to “reset” back to a neutral position in his crease. Grubauer just isn’t doing that, at least not since his injury and perhaps going back further (I hadn’t been paying as close attention)

And to be 100% real, the goal he gave up to Garland coming off the Kraken powerplay was as soft as a baby’s diaper…but goals like that are possibly why his confidence is so low in the first place?

If some old beer league duffer goalie like me can see that, I have to imagine the players and coaches can see it too?
 

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I don’t know, his confidence looks absolutely shot. If you really key on him, he will make a really spectacular “reaction” type save like the one on Boeser and then just freeze. He will often look vaguely over his shoulder wide-eyed, clearly not tracking where the puck went after it hit him (something most goalies “feel”, especially elite ones) and is afraid to “scramble” and possibly make it worse. So he just lies there, wide-eyed, for some noticeable seconds while players swirl around him hammering for the rebound.

Daccord isn’t necessarily “elite” but you’ll often see him lunge in the direction he senses the puck rebounded or at worst attempt to “reset” back to a neutral position in his crease. Grubauer just isn’t doing that, at least not since his injury and perhaps going back further (I hadn’t been paying as close attention)

And to be 100% real, the goal he gave up to Garland coming off the Kraken powerplay was as soft as a baby’s diaper…but goals like that are possibly why his confidence is so low in the first place?

If some old beer league duffer goalie like me can see that, I have to imagine the players and coaches can see it too?
I haven't really liked his game much since he first got here, to be honest. So, yeah. All that.

I just meant that this particular game, despite the score, he wasn't as bad as he can often be. In short, he gave up a softy, but I guess I've gotten inured to the idea that he'll give up several Charmin soft and fluffy ones.
 

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I haven't really liked his game much since he first got here, to be honest. So, yeah. All that.

I just meant that this particular game, despite the score, he wasn't as bad as he can often be. In short, he gave up a softy, but I guess I've gotten inured to the idea that he'll give up several Charmin soft and fluffy ones.
Yeah, I dunno honestly. The first goal was super terrible luck but it's a picture perfect example of what I describe above. Watch the replay and really key on his reaction to making the initial (admittedly spectacular) save, especially the angle from behind the goal line looking back towards him. Completely frozen while Larsson scrambles frantically behind him.

Second goal was the Garland goal and that's all on him. His reaction afterwards was indicative to me that he realizes this, too.

Third goal was the seam pass to Boeser iirc? I remember wondering why Dunn had collapsed right into Grubauer's lap on that one. creating the seam for the pass to get through. Not much Grubauer could do there imo.

Fourth goal was one of those 50/50s where a team that's down 3-1 early in the third needs the goalie to make a huge save to keep the game within 2, and he didn't make it. Beaten over his glove, perhaps had gotten too deep into his crease. It's one of those where if it's Daccord you go "damn, that would have been nice" but with Grubauer he biffs them enough where I think we've collectively stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt.
 
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Yeah, I dunno honestly. The first goal was super terrible luck but it's a picture perfect example of what I describe above. Watch the replay and really key on his reaction to making the initial (admittedly spectacular) save, especially the angle from behind the goal line looking back towards him. Completely frozen while Larsson scrambles frantically behind him.
OK, the replay from the high angle shows what you're talking about. My initial reaction was he thought he had the puck from his body language, but we can see he has no idea from the other angle. Not a great reaction. The other guys on the ice were totally scrambling in the 3v4 situation, I thought, after losing the faceoff and getting sliced apart with the set play passing back and forth through the slot area. Initially, I felt like you could blame them all. It was a mess all the way around.
Second goal was the Garland goal and that's all on him. His reaction afterwards was indicative to me that he realizes this, too.
I felt that one was lack of lateral movement. He came out to cut down the angle, which was the right idea, but then couldn't keep himself in position with Garland's speed. With the angle changing, there was quite a bit of open net by the time the actual shot was taken. The poorer play was back in the offensive end with the turnover just as Garland was coming out of the box IMO.
Third goal was the seam pass to Boeser iirc? I remember wondering why Dunn had collapsed right into Grubauer's lap on that one. creating the seam for the pass to get through. Not much Grubauer could do there imo.
Yeah. Mr. Elastic in goal would've been the only option.
Fourth goal was one of those 50/50s where a team that's down 3-1 early in the third needs the goalie to make a huge save to keep the game within 2, and he didn't make it. Beaten over his glove, perhaps had gotten too deep into his crease. It's one of those where if it's Daccord you go "damn, that would have been nice" but with Grubauer he biffs them enough where I think we've collectively stopped giving him the benefit of the doubt.
That one just looked like a mediocre goalie getting beat. He could've had it, but it was a good shot that may have handcuffed him a bit and lasered past him.

I'm not trying to defend Grubauer. I know he has had some streaky good play in the past, but overall I don't think he's a #1 goalie. Too inconsistent which visibly deflates the entire team.
 

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Also something I don't think anyone mentioned in this GDT...the fact this was how they showed out against a Canucks team missing Hughes and Pettersson (as well as Hronek, their top D pairing essentially) is hardly impressive.
 

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