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GDT: Game #3/56: Re-Set. | Toronto @ Ottawa | Jan 16th 2021

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IrishInOntario said:
It starts by him accepting his role. He's an elite facilitator and needs embrace it. He's not going to win the rocket, no matter how hard his 175lb brain tries to convince his body that he's going to.

Martin St. Louis didn't disillusion himself into thinking his job was to seek out hat tricks. His job was to pass the puck to Richards and Lecavalier so those guys could do what they do.
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Martin St. Louis had multiple 30+ goal seasons and many more where he was pacing for 30 goals. He was not afraid to shoot.

A large part of Marner's role is to generate offense, and that includes shooting. He should shoot the puck if is the best move for him and it can be dangerous. Better than constantly forcing passes like the first 4 years of his career. Shooting is going to open up more passing lanes for him.

He just shouldn't be so narrow-sighted and stupid where he is constantly thinking about shooting rather than making the best play (i.e. passing to Matthews). If he lacks IQ that much, then he is not a top line player in the NHL.
 
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JT AM da real deal said:
Sad to say but it starts with a hit a blocked shot or a drive to net he has to get himself back to not trying to get hurt ... then gradually he will get his stickback ... but it comes in gradual steps ... right now he can't even take or receive a pass
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I just hate the idea of punishing Tavares, who has clearly come ready to play and lead this season, by ruining the early season chemistry that he's enjoying with Willy. Everyone wants all the resources to go to Matthews. I think Auston and Mitch need to learn to fend for themselves a bit. They asked to play together. They did their part to strap the Leafs of resources to the best of their ability. Now their play has to match their paychecks.

That said, they have the talent to turn it around immediately. Wouldn't be shocked, at all, to see them combine for 4-5 points tonight.
 
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IrishInOntario said:
I just hate the idea of punishing Tavares, who has clearly come ready to play and lead this season, by ruining the early season chemistry that he's enjoying with Willy. Everyone wants all the resources to go to Matthews. I think Auston and Mitch need to learn to fend for themselves a bit. They asked to play together. They did their part to strap the Leafs of resources to the best of their ability. Now their play has to match their paychecks.

That said, they have the talent to turn it around immediately. Wouldn't be shocked, at all, to see them combine for 4-5 points tonight.
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like i said Matty could score 5 tonight he is still trying and was our best player all over da ice in game 1 but i saw signs he started to give up a bit in game 2 ... Mitch checked out last season ... Mitch is a longer term recovery project at best
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Martin St. Louis had multiple 30+ goal seasons and many more where he was pacing for 30 goals. He was not afraid to shoot.

A large part of Marner's role is to generate offense, and that includes shooting. He should shoot the puck if is the best move for him and it can be dangerous. Better than constantly forcing passes like the first 4 years of his career. Shooting is going to open up more passing lanes for him.

He just shouldn't be so narrow-sighted and stupid where he is constantly thinking about shooting rather than making the best play (i.e. passing to Matthews). If he lacks IQ that much, then he is not a top line player in the NHL.
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Mitch was pacing for 25+ goals last year. I'm not calling for him not to score. I'm asking for him to be a judicious, opportunistic scorer, who properly understands that his playmaking is paramount to his scoring acumen. This idea that he and Matthews were both going to be snipers, with 41 year old Jumbo as their facilitator, just isn't rooted in reality. I'd much rather Hyman return to that line, Mitch become the facilitator again and Hyman be a 20-25 goal scorer, Matthews be a 40-45 goal scorer (with the ability to reach for 50 via the powerplay) and Marner be a 25-30 goal scorer (82 game pace).
 
Keefe's master plan will be on full display tonight.

Trust the process, it doesn't get any clearer than this.

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(Note: Team's new mantra should be "Embrace Randomness")
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
it will be interesting to see how the Leafs play in front of a goalie that they haven't completely lost all faith in
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Its a bit unfair how the players seem to lose faith in so many people in this organization. They lost faith in Babcock and gave up on him leading to 6 game tank to get him ousted

Now they are giving up and lost faith on their starting goalie of the past 4 years after 2 games lol.

Besides Nylander and Tavares no player has earned that right yet with everyone needing to step up their play badly if they want to win.

Marner and Matthews cant be judging Andersen so poorly when they have 1 point each in 2 games and cant finish point blank chances right now

I'm no Andersen fan and want Campbell to be our starter but if players have given up on Andersen after 2 games we dont have a mentally tough enough team to compete.
 
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Brobust said:
Simmonds is significantly worse than both Thornton and Spezza. He's 13th forward material.
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I'd definitely agree that Simmonds has been playing worse than Spezza, though perhaps not significantly so. Simmonds is also averaging a couple more minutes of ice time. For me, Thornton has played the worst of this lot. He's also been receiving too much ice time. There's likely to be a relation there.
 
Everyone needs to chill out.

2 games, and we are going crazy.

Andersen is still a starting caliber goalie, rielly is still a quality 1D, brodie isnt a terrible signing,

Marner+Matthews will get it going and tear the division soon,

Bogo+Simmonds values will be seen most when the offense is chugging and they provide stability and an element of grit+physicality

We are 1-1 people. Relax. Give it till game 15 to see where this team is. That's a bit over 25% of the year.

A lot to like so far and some stuff that needs to be fixed. Andersen wont be a .83 he will be giving a .915 or higher by year end

We should make some rotations to the lineup simply due to using the depth we have gathered and let lower line players fight for spots which will help them all make smarter decisions in Hope's of getting more playing time.

Dont request for MLSE to fire Keefe, Dubas, Shanny after 2 games.

Dont ask for a marner/rielly/andersen trade after 2 games.

Dont say Bogo/Simmonds/Vesey/Joe suck after 2 games.

Just chill out. We will win tonight and be 2-1 in path to winning this division. We have a good team that needs to buy in and play a more structured game.
 
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stickty111 said:

Won't be popular but might have to waive Bogosian.
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I don't know why we won't waive Dell. If we are running Dell for any significant amount of time we have issues anyway. Despite what everyone says, Hutchinson is a good 3rd string goalie. Maybe they have a date in mind when they will waive him, but I can't see us holding him all year, Lehtonen and Barabanov didn't come here to sit or not get paid NHL salary (assuming 2-way contracts).
 
notbias said:
I don't know why we won't waive Dell. If we are running Dell for any significant amount of time we have issues anyway. Despite what everyone says, Hutchinson is a good 3rd string goalie. Maybe they have a date in mind when they will waive him, but I can't see us holding him all year, Lehtonen and Barabanov didn't come here to sit or not get paid NHL salary (assuming 2-way contracts).
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Hutchinson is not a good 3rd string though if you are playing him too much. Dell is a backup from the numbers, so you are downgrading from the position.
 
We all know Freddy is a slow starter but could it be that rather than the team having lost faith in him, he has also mentally "checked out" on this team after all the off season trade rumours or that he has little to no faith in the players playing in front of him ??
 
stickty111 said:
Hutchinson is not a good 3rd string though if you are playing him too much. Dell is a backup from the numbers, so you are downgrading from the position.
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Which numbers? Because for a third-string goalie outside of last year, I'd say Hutchinson has been fine.
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Dell - 2.76 GAA, .908 SV%
Hutchinson - 2.80 GAA, .905 SV%

Last year Hutchinson was really bad, two years ago Dell was really bad.

My bigger point, is if either is playing significant time, we have issues, so why not waive Dell at some point?
 
stickty111 said:
Hutchinson is not a good 3rd string though if you are playing him too much. Dell is a backup from the numbers, so you are downgrading from the position.
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Most teams have a 3rd goalie that's similar to Hutch. Just bite the bullet.
 
Brobust said:
The Simmonds signing was a mistake. People were saying he lost his legs, but he lost his hands as well.
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The Simmonds signing was fine because they needed grit but why Thornton, Vesey and Bogo? You don't need Spezza and Thornton and the other two are meh. And the jury is still out on Brodie.
If the Leafs were going to make a big step they should have made a bold move by signing Pietrangelo.
 
Alerion said:
I would love to see a Colorado vs St Louis style revenge game but I don't think this team is capable of it. I'm just hoping Campbell steals the net.
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Team had a couple last season. Remember the 2nd of a Pens back to back?
 
After last night it would appear Simmonds and Watson will be getting a fight in on their first shift. Should set the tone for an interesting game.

Go Blue...Hope Brodie can bounce back from last night.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Mostly seems like Thornton is likely moving down to the 4th line where he belongs. I don't think that means Robertson is playing top line, but Thornton on the 1st line is not something that really works.
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Thats just me wanting him to go to the top line. I think it works and also Hyman going with Tavares and Willy
 
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