GDT: Game 3 - 4-NAS vs 1-CAR

[Sens1Canes2]

Charron was the ref in that Panthers game too.

And the puck over glass penalty that swung the game that they HAD to call, hit the f***ing boards.

I swear that was reviewable during the season. I’m not really sure why it wouldn’t be. It’s literally black and white.

 

[chaz4hockey]

What I don't see being mentioned is that due to all these penalties certain guys will be exhausted leading to more mistakes and other guys will get way less toi making it harder to find their game.

Svech is probably a good example. With almost a whole period on the pk his toi has to be lowish and its hard to get going sitting on the bench that long.

Canes Stats from last night....Svech certainly had shifts reduced but still played a good amount (Preds included too):

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[chaz4hockey]

I mean, it didn’t help the last time he did it. And it won’t likely help this time.

And if coaches have some leeway in the playoffs and can basically use this “call out the officials” trump card to try and swing a series, it seems foolish to use it after Game 3 in Round 1, unless they’re in dire straits like the Blues are.

Which is another reason why I don’t like RBA doing this, because anyone who has watched the Blues/Avs series can tell you that officiating isn’t the reason the Blues are down. It turns out the President Trophy winning Avs are a scary ****ing team.

Avs are great but didn't they knock out two of Blues key players (one got the 8-game suspension but....) which has impacted the results?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

The Charon numbers are worth a deeper look.

 

[Stickpucker]

I guess my question is:

If coaches believe the officials are favoring the other team in terms of penalty calling, why do they believe publicly questioning the official’s ability to do their job will somehow fix that?

Like, on a hockey level, I get why they do that. They’ve got to show faith in their team, back their players, make it seem like there’s some X factor out of their control to explain the loss. I get that.

But if they’re wanting any actual change in how penalties are called, basically calling the refs incompetent seems like it’d have the opposite effect.

Shutting your mouth and taking it like a man never changed anything.

This may cause the NHL to assign a better team or double down and punish the Canes making their incompetence more apparent.

 

[tarheelhockey]

But from what I've seen in this series thus far? Both teams have gotten away with things they probably should have been penalized for, and the Canes are taking more of the type of infractions the officials are keeping an eye out for.

It's the playoffs. Most slashes and crosschecks are going to be let go. It's harder to let hooking, tripping, and interference go, because those hinder opposing players and generate scoring chances that wouldn't exist otherwise. The Canes need to figure that out before they start complaining about the officiating. It's as simple as that.

There has been some BS officiating going on, but this is a good point. A big chunk of that BS is the Canes playing right into officials’ tendencies, and also routinely putting themselves in a position for little undisciplined stuff to be embellished.

 

[Stickpucker]

The Charon numbers are worth a deeper look.

I personally don't want ANY frenchie reffing any of our games.

 

[VAcaniac]

Honestly im not even sure I would have called that trip on Foegle the other game.

Given Forgle’s reputation of falling over for the slightest breeze, I thought it was a pretty weak call so this isnt one sided.

 

[Roboturner913]

Shutting your mouth and taking it like a man never changed anything.

I feel like there have been points in the past where the Canes did maybe gain a little bit of favor with the officals by keeping their heads down and playing through all those little hooks and slashes, not retaliating and not complaining. I think Rod remembers that too, that he encourages the team to play that way and he's frustrated that the officials don't seem to be seeing it.

I don't know what changed, maybe it was the storm surge or the bunch of jerks, etc. where this team seems to be way more polarizing to the hockey world in general that it used to be and we don't get the benefit of being that plucky little underdog anymore.

 

[The Faulker 27]

It's all good folks. Rod had a chat with them after the game. They're all besties now.

 

[MrazeksVengeance]

It's all good folks. Rod had a chat with them after the game. They're all besties now.

CUNNING MOVE. I APPROVE OF THAT.

 

[Roboturner913]

It's the playoffs. Most slashes and crosschecks are going to be let go. It's harder to let hooking, tripping, and interference go, because those hinder opposing players and generate scoring chances that wouldn't exist otherwise. The Canes need to figure that out before they start complaining about the officiating. It's as simple as that.

If the refs are simply letting extracurricular stuff go, and obstruction type stuff gets called, I would understand. But it's not consistent. In fact I'd argue that most of the non-calls on Nashville I've gotten annoyed over were probably obstruction type plays.

Staal was in the same spot Duchesne was with the puck on his stick. Staal didn't get the call, yet Duchesne did. In both cases, as far as I can tell at least, the referee was in position to see the play. I get that the Staal penalty could simply have been missed via human error but when you start adding it all up big picture and looking at the mismatched penalty totals, the optics are real bad.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Staal was in the same spot Duchesne was with the puck on his stick. Staal didn't get the call, yet Duchesne did. In both cases, as far as I can tell at least, the referee was in position to see the play. I get that the Staal penalty could simply have been missed via human error but when you start adding it all up big picture and looking at the mismatched penalty totals, the optics are real bad.

Hell, Staal was in a better spot than Duchene as he was pretty much on a breakaway and Duchene still had to get past the other d-man. So it’s much easier to argue Staal being denied a scoring chance then to argue Duchene was.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I swear that was reviewable during the season. I’m not really sure why it wouldn’t be. It’s literally black and white.

I don’t know why it isn’t. They could tell you from in Toronto in under a minute. Espescially if you can have 8 eyes on it in The arena and still get it wrong, twice in one game. Then you have to examine if it’s even a rule worth having

 

[chaz4hockey]

If the refs are simply letting extracurricular stuff go, and obstruction type stuff gets called, I would understand. But it's not consistent. In fact I'd argue that most of the non-calls on Nashville I've gotten annoyed over were probably obstruction type plays.

Staal was in the same spot Duchesne was with the puck on his stick. Staal didn't get the call, yet Duchesne did. In both cases, as far as I can tell at least, the referee was in position to see the play. I get that the Staal penalty could simply have been missed via human error but when you start adding it all up big picture and looking at the mismatched penalty totals, the optics are real bad.

tough to miss a call when you’re looking right at it and the stick is sawed off without a shot. IMO: playoff hockey, I’ll let it go.

one other item: Preds D have been pretty darn good.

 

[Joe McGrath]

The Charon numbers are worth a deeper look.

I think after the Panthers game I did a deeper dive and it didn’t look like a completely egregious penalty discrepancy, it’s just usually a bad sign when I know damn well who the referee is and it’s going to be a bad time. Charron, L’ecuyer, and Peel are the ones that are always top of mind for me.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Staal fined $5k for 2nd period penalty. Of course, if that bogus DoG penalty wasn’t called it wouldn’t have been an issue.

 

[cptjeff]

Staal fined $5k for 2nd period penalty. Of course, if that bogus DoG penalty is not been called it wouldn’t have been an issue.

Staal's trip was exactly as bad as Wilson attempting to kill a guy, according to DOPS.

 

[Joe McGrath]

On more of a positive note, Haakandwhak gets hit constantly after the whistle and has absolutely no reaction. It’s hilarious. And when reaction is required because teammates are involved he just grabs two guys and holds them at arms length.

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

It's all good folks. Rod had a chat with them after the game. They're all besties now.

That's your best friend, refs.

Now, that everyone's in a supes great mood, I feel obligated to ask the obligatory "who's starting in net tomorrow question."

I think this could be a good day to give Ned a bit of rest. What do you guys think?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Probably shouldn’t be starting the guy who gave up 5 goals next game when you’ve got capable other goalies on the bench.

 

[The Faulker 27]

That's your best friend, refs.

Now, that everyone's in a supes great mood, I feel obligated to ask the obligatory "who's starting in net tomorrow question."

I think this could be a good day to give Ned a bit of rest. What do you guys think?

Rod addressed a similar question in the interview today. Basically saying he hadn't spoken with Ned yet, but obviously fatigue plays a factor and that the goalies have been rotated all season so that's something to take into account. In other words this is a heavy workload compared to before. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mrazek get the start to give Ned a break, but you never know.

 

[Chrispy]

Rod addressed a similar question in the interview today. Basically saying he hadn't spoken with Ned yet, but obviously fatigue plays a factor and that the goalies have been rotated all season so that's something to take into account. In other words this is a heavy workload compared to before. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mrazek get the start to give Ned a break, but you never know.

2OT game with less than 48 hours recovery.

Win or lose I’d want to switch goalies after that. Give Mrazek game 4.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

2OT game with less than 48 hours recovery.

Win or lose I’d want to switch goalies after that. Give Mrazek game 4.

Definitely this.

 

[Roboturner913]

IMO fatigue was already potentially a factor after game 2; with a 2 OT game 3 I don't think there's any way you play Ned in game 4. That's not a knock on Ned by any means.