Post-Game Talk: Game 22: New York Rangers @ Philadelphia Flyers, 1pm ET, MSG2
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Megustaelhockey
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Who cares? Ignoring the very real problems that Will pointed out is moronic.
During the holidays you often get a once a year visit with your older relatives. Hopefully, they look pretty good. A year later, you see them again and think; “they have really aged since last year and they look terrible”.
That’s kind of how it is with the Rangers right now.
That’s kind of how it is with the Rangers right now.
Coaching is tricky one because it is very situational dependent, and a guy who might look good somewhere comes in a doesn't get results so is judged as 'bad', while a guy taht just wasn't getting it done suddenly jags a Cup and is a 'good' coach when all they did was catch lightning in a bottle for a season.
I'm certainly not saying we need to keep Lavi as he's the 'answer', but on what are we basing the idea that some other guy is going to come in and turn things around?
We need Torts? We're already bitching about the mental fragility of this team, and he's a guy who hasn't managed to get a team to the Conference Finals since 11-12 (and we know how that turned out).
Winnipeg is playing well, would we have liked the hire of Arniel after his associate stint here and lack of head coaching experience?
Maurice went 17 seasons between Conference Final trips. There's no way we would have accepted his hire after he went TOR/CAR/WPG with absolutely nothing to show for it.
Get a guy Like Rod the Bod who they have to respect? Cool, he hasn't got it done with a Canes roster at least as talented as ours.
Coaching matters, but it's also a crap-shoot. Changing the coach and/or the playing style doesn't change the fact that this team is a mish-mash of parts that don't fit together properly
I'm certainly not saying we need to keep Lavi as he's the 'answer', but on what are we basing the idea that some other guy is going to come in and turn things around?
We need Torts? We're already bitching about the mental fragility of this team, and he's a guy who hasn't managed to get a team to the Conference Finals since 11-12 (and we know how that turned out).
Winnipeg is playing well, would we have liked the hire of Arniel after his associate stint here and lack of head coaching experience?
Maurice went 17 seasons between Conference Final trips. There's no way we would have accepted his hire after he went TOR/CAR/WPG with absolutely nothing to show for it.
Get a guy Like Rod the Bod who they have to respect? Cool, he hasn't got it done with a Canes roster at least as talented as ours.
Coaching matters, but it's also a crap-shoot. Changing the coach and/or the playing style doesn't change the fact that this team is a mish-mash of parts that don't fit together properly
Shesterkybomb
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Since atleast AV they've been walking out the man on man defense, every coach did it. It's time for something different.
The coaches job is to build a system that accentuates the teams strengths. The opposite is happening now, our d aren't fleet of foot, they can't play man on man, go back to a zone d and a simple breakout and it fixes a ton of problems.
Do we actually play man on man? One of the biggest issues this season is that players are letting their man just waltz off them in our zone and do what they want while we either ineffectively guard space or double team the wrong guy. Based on all the gaffes I just assumed we were playing some weird, hybrid model that they can't execute properly.
Shesterkybomb
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They are constantly chasing guys, they refuse to let the play come to them, they'll chase them right out to the blueline and leave the net wide open. It's really frustrating
HockeyBasedNYC
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LORDE
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SO every 1.5 yrs we need to change coaches because this core has what? A short attention span or something?
I call BS
It's not Lavi
It's the players & their refusal to make an effort & are flat out complacent.
Berard & Cuyle are our best players.
That's on the coach?
Sorry. No.
I call BS
It's not Lavi
It's the players & their refusal to make an effort & are flat out complacent.
Berard & Cuyle are our best players.
That's on the coach?
Sorry. No.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
This is what happens to a lot of teams when they are struggling defensively or in the middle of a losing streak.
But this group in particular is so easy to fool, they are caught puck watching or just over thinking and it just takes a quarter of a second in this league for that to result in a high danger chance against.
In the first period the seas parted in the SLOT for a mini breakaway off a FACEOFF, because Trouba was doing God knows what on the right side of Igor. Its like he didnt even see the guy with the puck moving to his right to get a clear shot (which Igor saved of course) - and then he slid over - but it didnt matter at that point. He was literally out of position by 12-15 feet. Who the hell knows where the winger was either.
Its major positioning issues in addition to foolish puck management lately that has lead to all of these losses, goals against and massive d-zone minutes against.
Shesterkybomb
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I agree and disagree, we keep hiring coaches that refuse to change much really. We are playing the same way we played right back to AV. If we could find a coach that would change the style of play to suit the team instead of bringing his style of play and forcing it on a team incapable of playing that way we'd be better imo. But I still feel our top 6 is too soft, way too soft for a cup.
Some of us have been talking about the mish-mash part for years. But management decided to go with this anyway because it was the easy way forward. Now it's blown up in their face most spectacularly.
HockeyBasedNYC
Feeling it
To me, it isnt about the coach. You could make an argument for that of course, but to me its about the same core players not executing on the ice.
They refuse to do the difficult things that win games. A coach can scream and yell and set the perfect gameplans but if the players are unwilling to meet that challenge and compete in a fashion that is outside of their comfort zone then its over before they drop the puck.
Ill give Panarin credit because he made some changes to his game going into last season and actually stuck with it as best he could, but other than that there have been no other established veterans on this team tying to reinvent their game or break out of their comfort zones to give the team a better shot at winning when it really counts.
In the Devils series two playoffs ago all they had to do was finish checks against a much smaller/weaker team and they refused to and got blown away. They started getting beat to pucks and then the goals started going in and then the doubt creeped in like it is now.
Everyone was screaming for this team just to simply use their size advantage and it was just about riding guys out and out of their lanes, not checking them through the end boards.
There are a half dozen prime players on this team in critical positions getting critical minutes that consistently rely on skill, headyness and special teams and refuse to at least ATTEMPT to battle through things with brute force. And whats crazy is that with the amount of talent on this club, it sometimes needed only a period or two of it to get themselves back into the groove.
They refuse to do the difficult things that win games. A coach can scream and yell and set the perfect gameplans but if the players are unwilling to meet that challenge and compete in a fashion that is outside of their comfort zone then its over before they drop the puck.
Ill give Panarin credit because he made some changes to his game going into last season and actually stuck with it as best he could, but other than that there have been no other established veterans on this team tying to reinvent their game or break out of their comfort zones to give the team a better shot at winning when it really counts.
In the Devils series two playoffs ago all they had to do was finish checks against a much smaller/weaker team and they refused to and got blown away. They started getting beat to pucks and then the goals started going in and then the doubt creeped in like it is now.
Everyone was screaming for this team just to simply use their size advantage and it was just about riding guys out and out of their lanes, not checking them through the end boards.
There are a half dozen prime players on this team in critical positions getting critical minutes that consistently rely on skill, headyness and special teams and refuse to at least ATTEMPT to battle through things with brute force. And whats crazy is that with the amount of talent on this club, it sometimes needed only a period or two of it to get themselves back into the groove.
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Right now I'd actually say they are refusing do to the simple things that win games. Even today the difference in passing between the Flyers and us was incredible. They were consistently putting the puck n the tape of their teammates, and most often in a advantages position. We go through stretches were we don't actually hit a single target with a pass.
You can think the D scheme you are playing is dumb, but you still commit to the backcheck and try and get a stick in the passing lane, not just float back and watch them move around you.
You can be in the funk of all funks but when its your turn to hustle in on the forecheck and hit the defender, you actually hustle in and finish your check
Shit that should be muscle-memory for these guys seems to a foreign concept for some reason, and you can't get the basics right, you aren't executing the hard stuff when it matters
The team has some bad players, all teams do. Some of those bad players make too much money. We aren't the only ones. But this year, this strange season so far, this team seems like it just collapsed completely with everyone in the effort department. Other teams aren't as "good" but they skate. The Rangers don't skate. They are all drunk.
Captain Lindy
Formerly known as Kreider Beast
Every coach who comes in here, the same thing happens. Lather, rinse, repeat. IT IS A TEAM PROBLEM due to the clueless front office.
KirkAlbuquerque
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Not ever holding the vets accountable IS on the coach though
LORDE
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I guess my point is, that you can grab a coach who wants a zone D or a 2-1-2 forecheck or whatever. That isn't going to make Trouba not braindead & play better. It won't make Z hit open nets & play better. It won't make Lindgren complete a pass & play better.
Again, it's the same damn team that has ripped through 3 coaches in 5 yrs.
It's over for this core & until a BIG move(s) made, you can fire Lavi & bring in whoever & I GUARANTEE you'll get the same thing, with maybe better effort for a yr.
That's not a solution. That's a bandaid
Captain Lindy
Formerly known as Kreider Beast
Mika said his problem is he wants it too much. Ooookay.
He meant the team is trying too hard. That's even funnier.
He meant the team is trying too hard. That's even funnier.
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
That's fair.
He did reduce Mika's ice tho & Mika whined.
Today Mika was on the 3rd line.
Can he scratch Mika and or Trouba? Maybe. I dunno. Is Drury & / or Dolan involved in that call?
What he can't do is MAKE them play better.
He's just a coach. The player is the ONLY one who can make them play better.
Same issue with the last three coaches. They've enabled the country club every step of the way.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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we need changes top to bottom, coach included. it’s not that he’s bad but if we’re gonna completely remodel the team it comes with the territory. we hired lavi for a veteran team lookin to compete, not a younger team in a transitional stage
