Post-Game Talk: Game 22: New York Rangers @ Philadelphia Flyers, 1pm ET, MSG2

[DevilDog99]

To make a basketball analogy, Kakko is good at dribbling a basketball, he just can’t shoot, pass, or guard anyone with average or better speed. NOW is his time to show he can be a star. I’m still waiting

Yea kakko and miller should be on the trading block… they are part of the problem vice the solution. The other young guys stay

 

[mxyxptlk]

You haven't had enough of this core ? Who cares start over

I've been done with them for a good 2 years now.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Also, if you wanted to go on this direction, let's say we cleared out the entire aging core.

A group of Laf, Chytil, Kakko, Berard, Cuylle, Trocheck (who I'm not really counting among the usual suspects at this point), Fox, Jones, etc., plus a few signings, could at least be a competitive roster.

I don't think moving a new direction is always as black and white as being as horrible as possible.

The point is, the longer we wait to completely change course, the more time we waste. It's over.

Some of the longest, most agonizing rebuilds (San Jose, Chicago) were caused by "kicks at the can" and not tearing it up immediately.

True, they don’t have to tear it all the way down, but it’s time to start moving out the old guard. Get ahead of things now and restock the cupboard of picks of prospects, create salary cap room.

 

[Machinehead]

The issues appears to (still) be, how do we get that true #1 center that you seem to need in order to truly be competitive?
We've tried to buy one for years and it hasn't worked.
They tend to go at the top of the draft (unless we win the lottery...) which usually means you do have to bottom out, but as you point out we likely have enough skill on the roster to avoid that.
So you're left in no-man's land waiting some insane draft luck at around pick #15

I understand playing those odds, but we won two lotteries and neither of those picks was ever going to be a center. Like I said, it's not that black and white.

We would we well-served to not buy and maybe, just maybe, actually draft centers, which is a choice, and not something left up to draft circumstance.

I'm not against a more violent rebuild, but you wouldn't trade Fox or anyone younger than him, and I legit think the team improves if those guys are playing instead of Trouba and Zibanejad.

If we did anything beyond that, it would be going out of our way to try and be horrible, which I never liked as a tone to set at the start of your rebuild.

 

[TGWL]

Trouba almost got a chicken wing in on a play he was beat.

 

[17futurecap]

Did the coach at least finally realize Trouba and Miller can't be a thing anymore?

 

[Boris Zubov]

Feels a lot like the 2015-2016 season that ended in a five game exit, in all the wrong ways.

Thing to do now is absolutely not trade more assets to play Eric Staal on LW.

Thing to do is start selling. Pronto.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Yea kakko and miller should be on the trading block… they are part of the problem vice the solution. The other young guys stay

Agreed except I’d put Jones in there as well eventually. He won’t hold up in playoff hockey.

 

[cheech70]

Trying to figure out how this happened. Troch,Laf,Fox are not players who mail it in. It has to be Mika and his very poor disinterested play. Its like ground hog day with Mika and the players expect change and it doesn't happen so they take the foot off the gas. Lavy is in a tough spot...he starts going crazy it will slide further. Drury needs to tell Lavy to sit Mika tomorrow. What else can you do in the short term?

 

[ReddestRum]

You know what's also my favorite. Pulling the goalie with like 3 mins left and the vets out there thinking they're going to skate the whole three minutes. After about a minute of hustle, they're all just standing around trying to catch their breath before the obligatory dump the puck in with an extra man for a turnover because dudes are too tired to forecheck. Easy empty net against.

 

[McRanger92]

Meeka blaming bad bounces. I have no words for how removed from reality these clowns are. They want it too much? Yeah right.

 

[Crease]

You know what's also my favorite. Pulling the goalie with like 3 mins left and the vets out there thinking they're going to skate the whole three minutes. After about a minute of hustle, they're all just standing around trying to catch their breath before the obligatory dump the puck in with an extra man for a turnover because dudes are too tired to forecheck. Easy empty net against.

Egregious beer league stuff.

 

[Machinehead]

Did the coach at least finally realize Trouba and Miller can't be a thing anymore?

Even if he did, he'll go back to it the first time somebody farts.

NHL coaches just aren't willing to upset what "worked" for a team previously. They don't want to go back into the market after being fired having done anything the last guy didn't do, because then that's on them.

A big part of deleting this vet core, for me, is getting those combinations completely off the menu.

 

[mike14]

I understand playing those odds, but we won two lotteries and neither of those picks was ever going to be a center. Like I said, it's not that black and white.

We would we well-served to not buy and maybe, just maybe, actually draft centers, which is a choice, and not something left up to draft circumstance.

I'm not against a more violent rebuild, but you wouldn't trade Fox or anyone younger than him, and I legit think the team improves if those guys are playing instead of Trouba and Zibanejad.

If we did anything beyond that, it would be going out of our way to try and be horrible, which I never liked as a tone to set at the start of your rebuild.

100% in agreement, although I am worried about how 'passive' Laf and KK seem to be when there are opportunities for them to step up in role.
My other concern is that we have 0 draft capital at the moment, and the problem children won't return anything of value (Smith and Vesey should bring back middle round picks), so you are really dependent on the returns for CK, Panarin and Shesty to revamp things, unless you start looking at adding a guy like Miller or KK to the outgoing list, which then leaves you with more roster holes...

 

[will1066]

Did the coach at least finally realize Trouba and Miller can't be a thing anymore?

Does it matter, though? No number of permutations with the same useless elements will change anything

 

[SnowblindNYR]

No one is expecting anything special from a Lindgren and Trouba trade. Seems like as @Machinehead said a misreading of the board. We were thrilled when we got a 3rd for Georgiev and were thrilled when we traded Staal. I think we had to trade a pick just to get rid of Staal. No one here is hoping for a 3rd. This is an argument against no one.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

(HF board tomorrow when they see the exact same lines and pairs dressed again)
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And that’s where Lavi and the lack of accountability factors in. If he’s not gonna bench or scratch guys he can go play in traffic too.

 

[Machinehead]

100% in agreement, although I am worried about how 'passive' Laf and KK seem to be when there are opportunities for them to step up in role.
My other concern is that we have 0 draft capital at the moment, and the problem children won't return anything of value (Smith and Vesey should bring back middle round picks), so you are really dependent on the returns for CK, Panarin and Shesty to revamp things, unless you start looking at adding a guy like Miller or KK to the outgoing list, which then leaves you with more roster holes...

The lack of guys ready to be in a huge role is why I'd hang onto Panarin, but that's just me, and I wouldn't stage a protest if we didn't.

 

[grachevsceiling]

I would like to see Drury turn this into a season of The Traitors. Tell two of the players they are responsible for deciding who stays and who goes. Scrimmages and team “retreats” as the competitions. After each one, someone is murdered, etc.

 

[mike14]

Meeka blaming bad bounces. I have no words for how removed from reality these clowns are. They want it too much? Yeah right.

I don't think that's what he's saying, although it as ambiguous and may depend on what question he's responding to.
It seems like he's saying that he feels he's (and the team) are working hard, even if it doesn't look it effort wise, but it's not going right. And it's not that he (and they) don't care, the internal pressure ecause they do 'want it' makes things worse.

There's no blame in that statement. It's a just the words of a guy who doesn't know what's gone wrong and really doesn't know how to try and articulate it (which is one of the many reasons why post match interviews are usually worthless).

 

[ArPanet]

Maybe Drury should ask ChatGPT what to do

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

 

[will1066]

You know what's also my favorite. Pulling the goalie with like 3 mins left and the vets out there thinking they're going to skate the whole three minutes. After about a minute of hustle, they're all just standing around trying to catch their breath before the obligatory dump the puck in with an extra man for a turnover because dudes are too tired to forecheck. Easy empty net against.

Egregious beer league stuff.

Just their approach to 6v5 is infuriating because when it's time to throw the kitchen sink to get the tying goal they see it as a time to globetrot

 

[ReddestRum]

Mika with a -13 and Laf with a -10 is just bonkers.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't think that's what he's saying, although it as ambiguous and may depend on what question he's responding to.
It seems like he's saying that he feels he's (and the team) are working hard, even if it doesn't look it effort wise, but it's not going right. And it's not that he (and they) don't care, the internal pressure ecause they do 'want it' makes things worse.

There's no blame in that statement. It's a just the words of a guy who doesn't know what's gone wrong and really doesn't know how to try and articulate it (which is one of the many reasons why post match interviews are usually worthless).

Still waiting on a shred of accountability from this team instead of them lying to themselves and the fans that they are working hard to get through it