Post-Game Talk: Game #21: Sharks 2, Canucks 1 in OT - At least we don't play tham again this season

[canucksfan]

Daniel had 104 points and won the Art Ross in 2011. He's pace to finish in the top forty for points. Henrik has continued his scoring pace but Daniel has taken a big hit.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Luongo was very solid for the entire game ... then absolutely horrible on the winning goal. Helps us get 1 point, then loses the second.

Don't get me wrong here, I like your very explanatory and concise input but can you tell me what you would have liked to see him do there?

I'll admit Luongo is no spring chicken anymore, but that's a 4 on 3 with extremely talented players with the 4. That's more on the player who takes the penalty rather than Luongo if you ask me, but I'm all ears here.

 

[canuck4life16]

I am sure MG is making call and trying to improve the team....but it not that simple....maybe we could find a way to do similar trade to Kris Vertegg?

I presume Hansen take over Booth spot on the third line?

 

[MS]

Don't get me wrong here, I like your very explanatory and concise input but can you tell me what you would have liked to see him do there?

I'll admit Luongo is no spring chicken anymore, but that's a 4 on 3 with extremely talented players with the 4. That's more on the player who takes the penalty rather than Luongo if you ask me, but I'm all ears here.

His net coverage there was abysmal. Slow side-to-side movement with a forward flop. Boyle had half the net to put the puck in there.

And again, I think he played very well tonight. But that was terrible goaltending at the end.

 

[shortshorts]

Good performance, frustrating loss. Played pretty much a textbook game for 59 minutes, then have an incredibly unlucky play tie the game.

Luongo was very solid for the entire game ... then absolutely horrible on the winning goal. Helps us get 1 point, then loses the second.

Sedins were much better tonight, but still no finish. Probably our best players. Need to get more pucks to the net. Kesler continues to do nothing offensively.

Burrows was both the best and worst news of the night. Blew about 5 great chances, which probably cost us the game. But at least he was getting chances, and shots, and lots of them. Like Higgins earlier in the year, the pucks will start going in if he keeps playing like he did tonight and gets some confidence and luck.

Santorelli continues to play very well. Is levelling off offensively, but still a substantial asset. Do wonder about having him on the ice in the last minute, though.

Booth ... ugh. His speed is just gone. Not sure what we do with him at this point.

Thought the 4th line was actually good tonight in their limited minutes. Had at least 3 good shifts.

Defense all played well. Edler-Garrison pair continues to be the weakest. Edler was a bit better tonight, though.

Bieksa was terrific ... then takes himself out of the game when we need him most. Love when he fights, but that was a dumb, selfish decision.

Great review.

Still concerned with Kesler. I still remain on the trade him bandwagon.

 

[stuffradio]

When you point out concerns with the team after a win, you are scolded for being negative after a win ("Why are you complaining? We won the game!") When you point out concerns with the team after a loss, you are told that it's reactionary and that you are "chicken littleing." So when is the appropriate time to point out concerns about the team? After a tie? Never? When am I permitted to state that we need more offense, that we need to better capitalize on opportunities? That the team as structured probably isn't good enough? When is it OK for me to point out that we have exactly 2 regulation wins this season against our own conference?

If you want to argue with someone, take issue with the things they are saying. Argue with the contents of the post. If you want to argue with something I said then fine, be my guest. I would be happy to debate anyone here on any of the actual points that I have made. But get lost with all these ad hominems and hand-waving dismissals based entirely on whether the comments happened to come after a win or a loss. They are juvenile and do not further the discussion.

I agree we looked good tonight. It's a plus. We have mostly looked pretty good against three very tough opponents. That is good news. But overall I

When we get outworked and get drowned in goals against. We were the better team tonight. They got lucky.

 

[SighReally]

When you point out concerns with the team after a win, you are scolded for being negative after a win ("Why are you complaining? We won the game!") When you point out concerns with the team after a loss, you are told that it's reactionary and that you are "chicken littleing." So when is the appropriate time to point out concerns about the team? After a tie? Never? When am I permitted to state that we need more offense, that we need to better capitalize on opportunities? That the team as structured probably isn't good enough? When is it OK for me to point out that we have exactly 2 regulation wins this season against our own conference?

If you want to argue with someone, take issue with the things they are saying. Argue with the contents of the post. If you want to argue with something I said then fine, be my guest. I would be happy to debate anyone here on any of the actual points that I have made. But get lost with all these ad hominems and hand-waving dismissals based entirely on whether the comments happened to come after a win or a loss. They are juvenile and do not further the discussion.

I agree we looked good tonight. It's a plus. We have mostly looked pretty good against three very tough opponents. That is good news. But overall I

Because many are making moles out of mountain. Gamewise we controlled the play for a good portion of the game. A combination of poor decision making by Luongo and a controversial penalty is what took us out of the game and it's hard to actually pin the blame on the Hertl goal. Improvements on Luongo's lateral movement, our ability to finish and our ability to get on our knees to the refs are areas of improvement that people need to focus on. Instead we have reactionary posts calling for a blow up of the team, pronouncing this team as "finished."

There are perfectly legitimate times to be worried about the team. This game isn't a best example of it.

 

[vanuck]

^ Agreed.

He just isn't experienced enough to do the move he tried to block off the down-low play and then get across. He's only added sliding to his repertoire in the last two years.

When he flopped on the Hertl goal it was desperation since the puck flukily bounced that way.

When he flopped on the OT goal he has to take the blame because he didn't have to block the opposite post on a 4-on-3. It's situational awareness as a goalie. You know there is a high possibility of extreme cross-ice passing to the backdoor, so he should have stayed on his feet. That would have enabled him to react to the pass to Boyle.

Jonathan Quick in this case would have exploded off the post and maybe gotten there in time. Of course he would have been lower to the ground so he still might not have made the save. Lu has only been doing this move for two years so I don't expect him to be able to do the same. He tried his best but he just doesn't have the skating skill at this moment. Thus, the flopping.

Thanks for this. I remember you've mentioned in the past that his skating has always been a weakness of his, but when can we expect him to be able to do so though? You have to think opponents would be looking to exploit this on east-west plays.

 

[Canuck16]

fluke tying goal.. bad penalty by Henrik. tough loss for the Canucks and Luongo.

lets win the next one!!

 

[canuck4life16]

we just need to see what happen in the next 20 games which would then be half way through the season..injuried player are coming back(hansen) which should balance the line and create some more offense to the bottom 6

 

[vanuck]

I would trade Booth for herpes at this point. I would inflict herpes upon myself if it somehow meant the Canucks would be rid of David Booth.

Well, at least we know how passionate you are about the team...

 

[Johnny Canucker]

If we are out of a playoff spot and nothing changes come trade deadline, i would love to trade some big pieces for very high picks abd rebuild and be bad for a few years, then come back with a monster young talented team. This mediocore thing will hurt us, finishing 9th is the absolute worst place you can finish

 

[canuck4life16]

fluke tying goal.. bad penalty by Henrik. tough loss for the Canucks and Luongo.

lets win the next one!!

let win the next three games, stars, panthers, and BJ, then the challenge of Hawks and King and then two eastern team in sens and rangers

 

[SighReally]

Well the solution to Luongo's solution is obvious.

Guys give me 20 years to develop a time machine and then I'll go back in time with Rollie Melanson at gun point and force him to tutor young Roberto in the ways of lateral movement.

With this, Luongo will have magically moved over in time to save Boyle's shot, and in the ensuing rebound, Tanev will spring Richardson on a breakaway, which Richardson will score and we win. This conversation won't have even taken place. K guys?

Actually while I'm there I'll be sure to break Marchand's knee caps and get Thomas to make a political comment in the finals for more distraction so we can magically win the SCF too.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

we just need to see what happen in the next 20 games which would then be half way through the season..injuried player are coming back(hansen) which should balance the line and create some more offense to the bottom 6

The problem is, we HAVE played our best hockey and mostly every night we have work ethic, and we are STILL 10th (once Dallas catches up games in hand) in the west. Talent wise, we dont have enough. Torts doing the et w what he has, Gillis really botched this one

 

[Johnny Canucker]

Well the solution to Luongo's solution is obvious.

Guys give me 20 years to develop a time machine and then I'll go back in time with Rollie Melanson at gun point and force him to tutor young Roberto in the ways of lateral movement.

With this, Luongo will have magically moved over in time to save Boyle's shot, and in the ensuing rebound, Tanev will spring Richardson on a breakaway, which Richardson will score and we win. This conversation won't have even taken place. K guys?

This is ludacris and cant happen. Richardson woukdnt have been on the ice

 

[MS]

If we are out of a playoff spot and nothing changes come trade deadline, i would love to trade some big pieces for very high picks abd rebuild and be bad for a few years, then come back with a monster young talented team. This mediocore thing will hurt us, finishing 9th is the absolute worst place you can finish

Yes, because it's working wonderfully for Edmonton and Florida.

All of our big-ticket players are on NTCs. They're happy here. They aren't going anywhere and discussion of it is a waste of time.

 

[canuck4life16]

Yes, because it's working wonderfully for Edmonton and Florida.

All of our big-ticket players are on NTCs. They're happy here. They aren't going anywhere and discussion of it is a waste of time.

yep and we not going to miss the playoffs

 

[BrandonL]

Not sure if it was mentioned earlier in this thread, but Botchford put out an article post game saying that the Canucks offered their first round pick for Ryan Clowe at the deadline last year.

Talk about getting lucky and dodging a bullet.

 

[shottasasa]

Just finished watching the game. That was ****** way to lose, especially to that team. Great work ethic, great zone time, but not getting enough 2nd and 3rd chances. Don't blame Luongo, he was strong and there was little he could do about either goal. I'm getting tired of them outplaying the opposition and losing on some bad luck cause the they haven't converted possession to goals enough. But i know that if they stick with it the results will come and there is no point getting in a panic.

 

[Rotting Corpse*]

Because many are making moles out of mountain. Gamewise we controlled the play for a good portion of the game. A combination of poor decision making by Luongo and a controversial penalty is what took us out of the game and it's hard to actually pin the blame on the Hertl goal. Improvements on Luongo's lateral movement, our ability to finish and our ability to get on our knees to the refs are areas of improvement that people need to focus on. Instead we have reactionary posts calling for a blow up of the team, pronouncing this team as "finished."

There are perfectly legitimate times to be worried about the team. This game isn't a best example of it.

I haven't really seen that but okay.

I think there are two separate discussions being had, one on the game and one on the team in general. I have said what I've had to say about the game. I agree with the consensus. It was a well-played game and it's too bad they didn't win. On the team in general, it's clear that this is an aging core on which the window is closing; I'm not sure if it's as good of a team as last year, which wasn't as good as the year before, which of course wasn't as good as the insane 2010-2011 team.

With the trading of Schneider we have sort of gone all-in on trying to catch lightning in a bottle during the tail-end of our window and the future post-Sedins is rather bleak at the moment. Despite our solid effort against the Ducks and Sharks, we have still been badly outscored in our games against them and have demonstrated an inability to put quality opponents away during regulation time. I think these are legitimate concerns but if that discussion is out of scope for this thread then I apologize. I don't know where else to have that discussion.

 

[SighReally]

Not sure if it was mentioned earlier in this thread, but Botchford put out an article post game saying that the Canucks offered their first round pick for Ryan Clowe at the deadline last year.

Talk about getting lucky and dodging a bullet.

Gillis... terrible terrible terrible terrible.

I actually dry heaved when I read that.

 

[timw33]

Well the solution to Luongo's solution is obvious.

Guys give me 20 years to develop a time machine and then I'll go back in time with Rollie Melanson at gun point and force him to tutor young Roberto in the ways of lateral movement.

With this, Luongo will have magically moved over in time to save Boyle's shot, and in the ensuing rebound, Tanev will spring Richardson on a breakaway, which Richardson will score and we win. This conversation won't have even taken place. K guys?

Actually while I'm there I'll be sure to break Marchand's knee caps and get Thomas to make a political comment in the finals for more distraction so we can magically win the SCF too.

No, you'd need to go back and prevent Luongo's awful groin injury in the Pits game in 09. He hasn't moved as well laterally since.

 

[StringerBell]

Good performance, frustrating loss. Played pretty much a textbook game for 59 minutes, then have an incredibly unlucky play tie the game.

Luongo was very solid for the entire game ... then absolutely horrible on the winning goal. Helps us get 1 point, then loses the second.

Sedins were much better tonight, but still no finish. Probably our best players. Need to get more pucks to the net. Kesler continues to do nothing offensively.

Burrows was both the best and worst news of the night. Blew about 5 great chances, which probably cost us the game. But at least he was getting chances, and shots, and lots of them. Like Higgins earlier in the year, the pucks will start going in if he keeps playing like he did tonight and gets some confidence and luck.

Santorelli continues to play very well. Is levelling off offensively, but still a substantial asset. Do wonder about having him on the ice in the last minute, though.

Booth ... ugh. His speed is just gone. Not sure what we do with him at this point.

Thought the 4th line was actually good tonight in their limited minutes. Had at least 3 good shifts.

Defense all played well. Edler-Garrison pair continues to be the weakest. Edler was a bit better tonight, though.

Bieksa was terrific ... then takes himself out of the game when we need him most. Love when he fights, but that was a dumb, selfish decision.

Thanks for the review. Your breakdowns are always concise, on point and fair. Always the first thing I look for (along with orcatown) in a post game thread of a game I missed.

When you point out concerns with the team after a win, you are scolded for being negative after a win ("Why are you complaining? We won the game!") When you point out concerns with the team after a loss, you are told that it's reactionary and that you are "chicken littleing." So when is the appropriate time to point out concerns about the team? After a tie? Never? When am I permitted to state that we need more offense, that we need to better capitalize on opportunities? That the team as structured probably isn't good enough? When is it OK for me to point out that we have exactly 2 regulation wins this season against our own conference?

If you want to argue with someone, take issue with the things they are saying. Argue with the contents of the post. If you want to argue with something I said then fine, be my guest. I would be happy to debate anyone here on any of the actual points that I have made. But get lost with all these ad hominems and hand-waving dismissals based entirely on whether the comments happened to come after a win or a loss. They are juvenile and do not further the discussion.

I agree we looked good tonight. It's a plus. We have mostly looked pretty good against three very tough opponents. That is good news. But overall I

You can say whatever you want, whenever you want (well, the mods will disagree with that) however not everyone is going to agree with you. When "fans" start going off about how we need to trade the Sedins and Luongo is old and washed up there will be Chicken Little accusations. Let's not pretend like all this reactionary commentary is warranted.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

I, too, would prefer the "statistical evidence." But you haven't shown any.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=690428

There it is. Notice how in 2011, we did not even qualify for a playoff spot by November 8th? Funny, we won our second President's Trophy that season.

If this were 50-60 games in? Sure, there may be some merit to worry, but 21? We have done this song and dance before. We will be fine down the stretch.