BonHoonLayneCornell
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The Paul vs. Tyson fight was crazy though. During its peak, over 65 million people were watching concurrently. That's in another stratosphere compared to a Senators vs. Flames Monday night game.
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Broadcasting.
TSN has been around since 1984, doing sports, specifically. Bell has owned TSN since 2011 and has spent billions on TV rights for sporting events.
Sportsnet has been around since 1998, doing sports, specifically. Rogers has owned Sportsnet since 1998 and has spent billions on TV rights for sporting events.
Amazon has only entered the live sports event market in the last 5ish years.
It's not a comparison that makes any sense no matter how you look at. Established expertise, revenue models, distribution, media rights share, etc.
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I was most impressed with Norris.
I feel that guy has another gear. Similar to glimpses we saw before he got injured.
Similar to what NJD is seeing from a healthy Hischer.
I feel that guy has another gear. Similar to glimpses we saw before he got injured.
Similar to what NJD is seeing from a healthy Hischer.
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Ok, because the quote I saw was "Bell and Rogers have more than enough funds to make as high quality a stream as Amazon does lol", but a bit further back talks more about the overall broadcast, so I think we have two parallel points being discussed.
I was seeing a lot of complaints about the TSN and Bell streaming platforms during the game, I figured that spurred some of this.
Not sure what revenue models, distribution, or media rights share has to do with whether or not Amazon can put out a good broadcast though.
Wrt the NHL, a lot of stuff is actually contracted by the broadcasters, not internal talent, so for example, it's the same cameramen regardless. A lot of expertise is basically the same regardless of whether it's TSN or SN televising the game. I imagine that is the same with Prime, they've contracted the same companies for camera work and I suspect the same directors ect as all the other broadcasters do, the difference boils down to the platform they broadcast over, and the panels and on air talent they set up.
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Well they are the largest cloud provider in the world and own like a third of the market. That seems like a big advantage to lean into in the streaming game.
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That's a choice, it costs more to do 4k, so from what I understand most games are just in 1080p
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I would bet they are willing to take a loss on it to break in to the market. Sort of like Microsoft and Gamepass. Provide a superior product at a loss, get the market share, then you can start charging applicably
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Might be, it's been a while but from what I recall, they can only dedicate so much bandwidth to the channels, and have a cap that needs to be divided between the entire catalog of channels Bell (or Rogers) has, so while it's 4k, that doesn't mean there isn't significant compression,
With a streaming platform, I suspect there is more options available.
I'm not sure if SN and TSN are locked in at the quality set by the cable/Fibe that Bell and Rogers use, maybe the streaming app could go higher, but then it becomes a question of whether they made that backend investment or not,
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Money is no issue, they had like an 8 panel show for a Monday game in Ottawa, they spent more on their broadcast Monday in Ottawa then HNIC does on a Toronto Saturday game
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That's what I was getting at, Amazon chose to spend the money to get a better quality picture, nothing to do with expertise.
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They all use compression, the difference is Amazon is 4K and uses HDR,
TSN and Sportsnet upscale to 4K, on their games, with a select few recorded in 4K on TSN.
Sportsnet does 1 or 2 games a night in upscaled 4K, TSN, 1 or 2 a week. (Cable/fibe)
Audio wise, Prime has Dolby Atmos if you have a system that can support it.
Overall it’s just better.
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I actually don't like cousins at all.
Hes not physical. He's not distracting the other team. He takes bad penalties. He's not overly strong defensively.
What was the point?
He almost always takes a bad penalty. It's rather annoying. Bench him. Play ostapchuk.
The kids too lol let's be real.
It's like the intermissions version of banging on the glass lol
I noticed a worse quality. With cable, it's always crisp. With streaming, it depends on a lot of factors.
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Wasn't even close for me lol I have the top internet with bell fiberoptic cable...
Our bell cable and rogers cable before is always wayyyyyy better than any stream. That's my experience.
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This is true. They had way better in between entertainment/reporting than TSN or Sportsnet.
Just wish the picture quality and FF/REW options were better.
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How does it compare to Netflix?
That fight was brutal for bandwidth. Everyone I know had to watch it a bit delayed because watching it live was an never ending shit show of loading.
Never had this issue with cable. Super bowl
.grey cup. Stanley cup final. Oscars...all the biggest viewing shows...smooth and clear.
Every time I do streams? Poor quality or a lot of loading. And yet my download and upload speeds are great.
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I have cable,/fibe and like I said above, the Amazon picture is better than the 4K games I get on cable. (Which are quite good themselves).
Makes sense as I showed what each platform uses above for video and audio
Might be your setup/system as most see noticeable improvement on Amazon, as can be seen in reviews in the Prime thread.
Edit: should have mentioned it’s 60fps on Amazon in HDR as well.
Amazon Prime Monday Night Hockey
Any thought regarding the first day of Prime Monday Night Hockey?? I think production quality, sound quality blows Rogers Sportsnet out of the water. They have a much cleaner graphics, score bar and the panel seems pretty professional. Sportsnet plus has been complete garbage in Canada for...
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I really like John Forslund's play by play. His goal calls are excited sounding enough but not over the top. The crew stuck to calling the game all night and didn't continually get into off topic conversations as play was going on . I'd take him as play by play over any of those Sportsnet trots out there.
Was pleasantly surprised with the quality of everything on Amazon, might have to make it my regular way to watch Sens on Monday games
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I'm not doubting that. Rogers and Bell have decades of live entertainment experience. Amazon puts in a ton of money into their tv platform but the majority isn't live sports. I'm just making a point that their market cap isn't the reason they put together a superior quality hockey broadcast. The post I quoted using "net worth" is ridiculous. The program was good because they cared to make it good. Rogers and Bell simply don't give a shit, they've got plenty of money to do it, they just don't want to.
