Post-Game Talk: GAME #21 - Flames extinguish BRUINS 2-1 - Now 4-5 at home :(

[Gator Mike]

So how long does the current GM get to keep blaming the previous regime, despite most of the people involved when Chia was here still being employed by the Bruins?

Unless they were picking in the Top 10, the Bruins essentially whiffed on an entire generation of talent.

That's gonna sting for a while.

 

[BruinDust]

One thing I do find really amusing about this season is the mythos that Claude is finally playing the kids. Uh, aside from Carlo, what kids is Claude playing? Morrow? CMiller? Those guys have been here already and haven't gotten a real shot the entire time. And even this year, they've been alternating back and forth as healthy scratches. The only reason either one of them is in the lineup now is because of Chara getting hurt. Once Chara is back, does anyone really think Claude is going to scratch Kevan Miller over either of those guys?

How does that faster, more up tempo transition game look so far? Year two of the supposed change to a more counter strike style offense, yet all I see is dump and chase. Can anyone honestly say at this point a change isn't needed behind the bench? This clown is trying to win games 1-0 and it's not working.

Didn't look too bad when the combos were Chara-Carlo, Krug-McQuaid, and Liles-Colin.

But we all seen this coming. Colin had a couple games where he didn't play that well, Morrow goes in (I'll admit he can't sit forever), and then Kevan, the minute he was cleared, goes back in. Craps the bed for two games straight, and reprecussions are nothing.

We are seeing the EXACT same thing as last year. Claude reverting to the old gameplan, with his types of players. Instead of Seidenberg bumping out the young puck-moving D upon his return from injury, it's Kevan Miller. The song remains the same.

Honestly folks, put yourself in the shoes of Colin Miller or Ryan Spooner for a minute.

Your Colin and your sitting upstairs watching the debacle of the last two games. Watching glaring errors in positioning and coverage that are resulting in goals against committed by Kevan, McQuaid, Krug, and Morrow. Yet your the one sitting. How would you feel about that?

Or if your Ryan Spooner. You watch David Krejci make a glaring, careless, lazy turnover against Ottawa. Just brutal.

Yet, it's you whose demoted to the 4th line, it's you whose demoted to the 2nd PP unit or taken off entirely. How would feel?

There has been a defensive double-standard on this team for awhile under Claude. Veterans are immune, young players are punished. And while some may disagree, there is only so much punishment one can dish out before it losses it's effectiveness. That's true in hockey and in life. If Ryan Spooner being demoted or scratched isn't going to change him by now, it's not going to. But punishment is much more effective when it applies to everyone, not just a select few as is the case in Claude Julien's dressing room.

 

[Blowfish]

Didn't look too bad when the combos were Chara-Carlo, Krug-McQuaid, and Liles-Colin.

But we all seen this coming. Colin had a couple games where he didn't play that well, Morrow goes in (I'll admit he can't sit forever), and then Kevan, the minute he was cleared, goes back in. Craps the bed for two games straight, and reprecussions are nothing.

We are seeing the EXACT same thing as last year. Claude reverting to the old gameplan, with his types of players. Instead of Seidenberg bumping out the young puck-moving D upon his return from injury, it's Kevan Miller. The song remains the same.

Honestly folks, put yourself in the shoes of Colin Miller or Ryan Spooner for a minute.

Your Colin and your sitting upstairs watching the debacle of the last two games. Watching glaring errors in positioning and coverage that are resulting in goals against committed by Kevan, McQuaid, Krug, and Morrow. Yet your the one sitting. How would you feel about that?

Or if your Ryan Spooner. You watch David Krejci make a glaring, careless, lazy turnover against Ottawa. Just brutal.

Yet, it's you whose demoted to the 4th line, it's you whose demoted to the 2nd PP unit or taken off entirely. How would feel?

There has been a defensive double-standard on this team for awhile under Claude. Veterans are immune, young players are punished. And while some may disagree, there is only so much punishment one can dish out before it losses it's effectiveness. That's true in hockey and in life. If Ryan Spooner being demoted or scratched isn't going to change him by now, it's not going to. But punishment is much more effective when it applies to everyone, not just a select few as is the case in Claude Julien's dressing room.

This is what upsets me most about this team for the last 3 years...never ends.

 

[LSCII]

Unless they were picking in the Top 10, the Bruins essentially whiffed on an entire generation of talent.

That's gonna sting for a while.

But you can't discount the top ten picks that they hit on because the players they got were impact type guys. The organization, most of whom are still here, decided to trade those guys because they were foolhardy. It has zero to do with drafting and everything to do with arrogance. They thought they were smarter than everyone else and that's what's blown up in the faces.

Look at this team now, they have very little skill. Look at the players they've moved on from and you see where all the skill went. It's not because Zach Hamil or Jordan Caron sucked. It's because they dumped players with skill for quantity instead of quality. All in an effort to cling to a sad outdated identity of them being the big bad Boston Bruins.

 

[LSCII]

Didn't look too bad when the combos were Chara-Carlo, Krug-McQuaid, and Liles-Colin.

But we all seen this coming. Colin had a couple games where he didn't play that well, Morrow goes in (I'll admit he can't sit forever), and then Kevan, the minute he was cleared, goes back in. Craps the bed for two games straight, and reprecussions are nothing.

We are seeing the EXACT same thing as last year. Claude reverting to the old gameplan, with his types of players. Instead of Seidenberg bumping out the young puck-moving D upon his return from injury, it's Kevan Miller. The song remains the same.

Honestly folks, put yourself in the shoes of Colin Miller or Ryan Spooner for a minute.

Your Colin and your sitting upstairs watching the debacle of the last two games. Watching glaring errors in positioning and coverage that are resulting in goals against committed by Kevan, McQuaid, Krug, and Morrow. Yet your the one sitting. How would you feel about that?

Or if your Ryan Spooner. You watch David Krejci make a glaring, careless, lazy turnover against Ottawa. Just brutal.

Yet, it's you whose demoted to the 4th line, it's you whose demoted to the 2nd PP unit or taken off entirely. How would feel?

There has been a defensive double-standard on this team for awhile under Claude. Veterans are immune, young players are punished. And while some may disagree, there is only so much punishment one can dish out before it losses it's effectiveness. That's true in hockey and in life. If Ryan Spooner being demoted or scratched isn't going to change him by now, it's not going to. But punishment is much more effective when it applies to everyone, not just a select few as is the case in Claude Julien's dressing room.

Exactly.

 

[BruinDust]

This is what upsets me most about this team for the last 3 years...never ends.

It doesn't end.

Whether it's Campbell, Gagne, Talbot, Kemppainen, Hayes, Nash, to the Trotmans, Kevans and McQuaids, you give this coach those players he will use them and find every excuse in the book to bench or demote young playes he perceives to be not strong defensively.

If Sweeney was smart he would of said "Ok Claude, I'll give you the centermen you need to execute your system. Here's Bergeron-Krejci-Backes-Moore. I'll give you a No.1 G in Tuukka and a better back-up."

"But your not getting your army of grinding wingers and slow-footed one-dimensional D-men. You going to have to make due with more skill on the wings, and puck-movement on the back-end. If you can't make due with that, I'll find someone who will."

 

[LSCII]

It doesn't end.

Whether it's Campbell, Gagne, Talbot, Kemppainen, Hayes, Nash, to the Trotmans, Kevans and McQuaids, you give this coach those players he will use them and find every excuse in the book to bench or demote young playes he perceives to be not strong defensively.

If Sweeney was smart he would of said "Ok Claude, I'll give you the centermen you need to execute your system. Here's Bergeron-Krejci-Backes-Moore. I'll give you a No.1 G in Tuukka and a better back-up."

"But your not getting your army of grinding wingers and slow-footed one-dimensional D-men. You going to have to make due with more skill on the wings, and puck-movement on the back-end. If you can't make due with that, I'll find someone who will."

Well here's the thing. People keep saying Julien is playing player x over any young guys and Sweeney should stop him, yet he hasn't, So that's tacit agreement. Further agreement is Sweeney going out and obtaining/resigning more guys like that for Claude to play. This is what kills me when people want to absolve Donnie S. The guy has his fingerprints all over the roster. If he had a problem with what was happening, he would make Claude change things. He isn't. At all. Which means he's on the same page as Claude. He had a chance to fire Claude after an epic failure 2 years ago and didn't. He had a chance to fire Claude after last year's second consecutive epic collapse and didn't. In fact he voiced support and put on a public show of support just after the season ended. He's not looking at Claude as the problem. He's in agreement with what they've done. Which makes it so much worse.

 

[BBB24]

You've honestly never heard him complain about the schedule or the number of back to back games they play? Seriously? He says it all the time. ****, he complains about it before the games have been played.

I have seen every Bruin game in the last two years, never once have I heard him use the schedule as an excuse. I have read on here many times people saying it but never heard Julien say it, not once. You must have some quotes or links somewhere if he does it all the time.

 

[LSCII]

I have seen every Bruin game in the last two years, never once have I heard him use the schedule as an excuse. I have read on here many times people saying it but never heard Julien say it, not once. You must have some quotes or links somewhere if he does it all the time.

He says it all the time on the Sport Hub pre and post game interviews. It's maddening. Last year, after that horrendous west coast road trip late in the season, he mentioned how difficult the schedule was and how they didn't play poorly, but just ran into hot goaltending, etc. It's nauseating that he not only accepts the excuses, but often times, provides them. He harped on it all strike shortened season too. And during the olympic year where they played a lot of games in a short span because of that break. Why do you think Brick and Jack talk about it so much during the broadcasts? Do you think they decided to bring up the back to back games or 3 games in 4 nights on their own?

 

[smack66]

Well here's the thing. People keep saying Julien is playing player x over any young guys and Sweeney should stop him, yet he hasn't, So that's tacit agreement. Further agreement is Sweeney going out and obtaining/resigning more guys like that for Claude to play. This is what kills me when people want to absolve Donnie S. The guy has his fingerprints all over the roster. If he had a problem with what was happening, he would make Claude change things. He isn't. At all. Which means he's on the same page as Claude. He had a chance to fire Claude after an epic failure 2 years ago and didn't. He had a chance to fire Claude after last year's second consecutive epic collapse and didn't. In fact he voiced support and put on a public show of support just after the season ended. He's not looking at Claude as the problem. He's in agreement with what they've done. Which makes it so much worse.

I don't absolve DS but I think the bigger problem is the next layer of management.

 

[LSCII]

I don't absolve DS but I think the bigger problem is the next layer of management.

Agreed, which is why I keep pointing out that most of the front office under Chia is still here. Neeley is literally a terrible president. Hate him in that office so much.

 

[BruinDust]

Well here's the thing. People keep saying Julien is playing player x over any young guys and Sweeney should stop him, yet he hasn't, So that's tacit agreement. Further agreement is Sweeney going out and obtaining/resigning more guys like that for Claude to play. This is what kills me when people want to absolve Donnie S. The guy has his fingerprints all over the roster. If he had a problem with what was happening, he would make Claude change things. He isn't. At all. Which means he's on the same page as Claude. He had a chance to fire Claude after an epic failure 2 years ago and didn't. He had a chance to fire Claude after last year's second consecutive epic collapse and didn't. In fact he voiced support and put on a public show of support just after the season ended. He's not looking at Claude as the problem. He's in agreement with what they've done. Which makes it so much worse.

I agree with this 110 %.

Sweeney (and I can only assume the rest of the management group of Cam, JFJ, Bradley) are all complicit and guilty of being in agreement that this is the correct path way forward, trying to build a roster designed to win in 2011, here in the every evolving game of 2017.

Just look at the laundry list of players Sweeney has either A) Acquired/signed or B) Upcoming UFAs granted extensions, that Sweeney's fingerprints are all over.

Marchand
Belesky
Hayes
Kevan
Ferraro
Stempniak
McQuaid
Talbot (Reports are Sweeney negotiated that deal with Colorado)
Liles
Kemppainen
Rinaldo
Backes
Moore
Nash
Schaller

Do you see a trend here? Not much in the way of speed or skill in that group.

And some folks here wonder if Sweeney is part of the problem. Yup Cam may not know his head from his behind, but Sweeney is just as guilty of orchestrating the preferred acquisition of grit over skill.

 

[Spanky185]

I agree with this 110 %.

Sweeney (and I can only assume the rest of the management group of Cam, JFJ, Bradley) are all complicit and guilty of being in agreement that this is the correct path way forward, trying to build a roster designed to win in 2011, here in the every evolving game of 2017.

Just look at the laundry list of players Sweeney has either A) Acquired/signed or B) Upcoming UFAs granted extensions, that Sweeney's fingerprints are all over.

Marchand
Belesky
Hayes
Kevan
Ferraro
Stempniak
McQuaid
Talbot (Reports are Sweeney negotiated that deal with Colorado)
Liles
Kemppainen
Rinaldo
Backes
Moore
Nash
Schaller

Do you see a trend here? Not much in the way of speed or skill in that group.

And some folks here wonder if Sweeney is part of the problem. Yup Cam may not know his head from his behind, but Sweeney is just as guilty of orchestrating the preferred acquisition of grit over skill.

Trying to build the roster around the coach instead of getting a coach who will (or getting the current one to) adapt to the skill of the players he's given.

 

[Speed Shooter]

I agree with this 110 %.

Sweeney (and I can only assume the rest of the management group of Cam, JFJ, Bradley) are all complicit and guilty of being in agreement that this is the correct path way forward, trying to build a roster designed to win in 2011, here in the every evolving game of 2017.

Just look at the laundry list of players Sweeney has either A) Acquired/signed or B) Upcoming UFAs granted extensions, that Sweeney's fingerprints are all over.

Marchand
Belesky
Hayes
Kevan
Ferraro
Stempniak
McQuaid
Talbot (Reports are Sweeney negotiated that deal with Colorado)
Liles
Kemppainen
Rinaldo
Backes
Moore
Nash
Schaller

Do you see a trend here? Not much in the way of speed or skill in that group.

And some folks here wonder if Sweeney is part of the problem. Yup Cam may not know his head from his behind, but Sweeney is just as guilty of orchestrating the preferred acquisition of grit over skill.

Ah, the venerable "tough to play against" mantra.

Has worked like a charm.

 

[toasterjam]

The second goal last night was terrible...just terrible by Riley Nash, completely left guy open in front of the net.

Now you can say Morrow shouldn't have chased the guy around the net and just let K.Miller pick him up...which ok...but watching the replay I see Nash and Czarnik right there..just watching the puck, nobody takes the open man in front, easy goal.

I wonder if Nash will be held accountable? eh..easier to just send Morrow to pressbox.

Also sucks now that Subban is godawful, his trade value is probably nonexistent.

Spooner back in his usual spot, Clode's doghouse...4th line.
He hasnt been great (like pretty much all forwards not named Moore, Marchand, Pasta)
but man...come trade deadline, it's gonna be scary to see what Spooner's trade value is.

We probably should have sold high on both Spooner and Subban..looks like they will go the way of Connolly.

Spooner probably can't wait to get off this team. Trade him now before we **** up his trade value more.

 

[BruinDust]

The second goal last night was terrible...just terrible by Riley Nash, completely left guy open in front of the net.

Now you can say Morrow shouldn't have chased the guy around the net and just let K.Miller pick him up...which ok...but watching the replay I see Nash and Czarnik right there..just watching the puck, nobody takes the open man in front, easy goal.

I wonder if Nash will be held accountable? eh..easier to just send Morrow to pressbox.

Also sucks now that Subban is godawful, his trade value is probably nonexistent.

Spooner back in his usual spot, Clode's doghouse...4th line.
He hasnt been great (like pretty much all forwards not named Moore, Marchand, Pasta)
but man...come trade deadline, it's gonna be scary to see what Spooner's trade value is.

We probably should have sold high on both Spooner and Subban..looks like they will go the way of Connolly.

Spooner probably can't wait to get off this team. Trade him now before we **** up his trade value more.

C'mon on now, you know Nash is safely in defensive veteran immunity land at this point with Julien.

And if things keep going the way they are going, if I'm Spooner's agent, I'd advise my client to not sign an extension with Boston, even as an RFA. There are teams out there who like this guy. If he's still Bruin property and Julien is still the coach come July 1, his best bet is to tell the Bruins to trade him and refuse to sign. Because unlike Winnipeg and Trouba, if Spooner issues a trade request, the Bruins won't hesitate to trade him for a 3rd rounder and some other teams 4th line grinder within a week of the trade request.

 

[LSCII]

The second goal last night was terrible...just terrible by Riley Nash, completely left guy open in front of the net.

Now you can say Morrow shouldn't have chased the guy around the net and just let K.Miller pick him up...which ok...but watching the replay I see Nash and Czarnik right there..just watching the puck, nobody takes the open man in front, easy goal.

I wonder if Nash will be held accountable? eh..easier to just send Morrow to pressbox.

Also sucks now that Subban is godawful, his trade value is probably nonexistent.

Spooner back in his usual spot, Clode's doghouse...4th line.
He hasnt been great (like pretty much all forwards not named Moore, Marchand, Pasta)
but man...come trade deadline, it's gonna be scary to see what Spooner's trade value is.

We probably should have sold high on both Spooner and Subban..looks like they will go the way of Connolly.

Spooner probably can't wait to get off this team. Trade him now before we **** up his trade value more.

If the high point for his value was Chris Stewart, I'd hate to see what it is now...

 

[Gee Wally]

To me Spooner is the most overated player around these parts since Andy Hilbert.

JAG.

 

[VanIsle]

You can blame the players all you want but this is on head office.

Bad players up and down the lineup that other teams wouldnt take for free.

I cant even remember the last trade the Bruins won, Jagr in 2013 or Horton trade almoat 7 years ago.

Just bad decision after bad decision, I remember thinking this team was set up for year back in 2011, but then head office gave very good players away with not a whole lot to show for it.

 

[BruinDust]

To me Spooner is the most overated player around these parts since Andy Hilbert.

JAG.

So why are teams calling Sweeney asking about his status.

Cause I'm sure other teams didn't give two you-know-whats about the status of Andy Hilbert.

Him and Julien are like oil and water.

I'd send both packing if I could.

 

[Gee Wally]

So why are teams calling Sweeney asking about his status.

Cause I'm sure other teams didn't give two you-know-whats about the status of Andy Hilbert.

Him and Julien are like oil and water.

I'd send both packing if I could.

What teams?

 

[BruinDust]

What teams?

I'm just going by what was speculated by Friedmann on HNIC a few weeks ago. He said teams started calling Sweeney asking about Spooner when they saw he was a healthy scratch.

 

[Gee Wally]

I'm just going by what was speculated by Friedmann on HNIC a few weeks ago. He said teams started calling Sweeney asking about Spooner when they saw he was a healthy scratch.

I'll believe it when I see it.

I do know he was offered as parts of deals that were turned down when Bruins were making inquiries.

 

[BruinDust]

I'll believe it when I see it.

I do know he was offered as parts of deals that were turned down when Bruins were making inquiries.

I don't doubt it.

And I'm not saying he'd garner some sort of massive return or anything. His value is probably less than Sweeney thinks it is, and more than most of this board does. He's still young, on a nice contract (this season), has a history of production, albeit in fits and spurts.

On a team that can live with his defensive weakness but tolerate them enough to let him center a line with two quality wingers, I think some teams see a productive player there.

Certainly not all teams are going to be fans of the player. I don't think he's a guy teams will bend over back-wards to acquire. Some teams would likely have zero interest. But I'm not surprised at all that there are teams who see potential in Spooner.

Sweeney does or else I'd wager he'd of been moved already.

 

[Blowfish]

How about trading Clode...I'm tired of seeing talent escaping us? Seguin, Vesey, yes Koko...Soon to be Spooner. Stupid bruin toughness and defensive mentality going to sink them over and over....