GDT: Game 2: Philadelphia Flyers @ Kings | Fri Oct 14 2016 - 7:30PM

[deeshamrock]

I lost interest after 2-0, Greene with the -3, was he that bad?

He's been pretty much 'that bad' for the last 2 years. One of the players , along with Nolan and King, that should have been replaced. <Mersch should be on this team, not Purcell. Too much enamoring of veteran players.

 

[HookKing]

Getting Pearson back will help transition, and Fore-Checking a lot.

I think at this point Purcell/Seto are no longer NHL players. They just don't do anything well at all.

Seto has speed, but he is just so weak on the puck.

Purcell reminds me of Trent Hunter(when the Kings got him), a former productive player, past his prime.

DL is addicted to players that can't score in the NHL. Moreover, if he isn't going to play Gilbert then he should bring up LaDue. Purcell, Brown, King, Shore and Seto are pretty much worthless.

 

[Maynard]

Zatkoff is kind of gangly and clumsy at times. Reminds me of Cechmanek. He did make some good saves and got hung out to dry a couple times. I wouldn't be shocked if Budaj does well, for a while at least.

 

[dman3474]

DL is addicted to players that can't score in the NHL. Moreover, if he isn't going to play Gilbert then he should bring up LaDue. Purcell, Brown, King, Shore and Seto are pretty much worthless.

Dean: they have character
Sutter: Ive coached them before/they're vets

Next game (and yes I know it will never happen) I would like to see

Kempe Kopi Toff
Pearson Dowd Carter
King Shore Purcell
Clifford Lewis Brown

 

[dman3474]

Zatkoff is kind of gangly and clumsy at times. Reminds me of Cechmanek. He did make some good saves and got hung out to dry a couple times. I wouldn't be shocked if Budaj does well, for a while at least.

He almost looks off balance half the time

 

[Model62]

Easier to manage the cap when the team doesn't win the Cup. Win the Cup, and guys have to start getting paid. We won, give me money. Don't win the Cup, you can let guys go. Want a better chance at the Cup, how about you take a little less?

The Hawks are in the same situation as the Kings now. The only difference is the success they had very early in their rebuilding process.

No. It's that Lombardi thought too much of himself and got blindsided by Richards and Voynov. (Long time fans will recall that Dave Taylor got blindsided by career ending injuries to Palffy and Allison and Deadmarsh, a much bigger hit to the organization's talent base, which resulted in Taylor's dismissal. It happens.) As with Taylor, the cupboard is bare. Lombardi keeps his job because players that Taylor drafted won him some cups.

That's a facile criticism, but look at Florida, where the Hawks former GM builds a winner, or Anaheim, where a budget team builds a winner, or San Jose, where a stay at home defenseman builds a perennial contender (so close!), and Lombardi needs to ask some hard questions. I love his theory about how to win (play fast and big), and his determination to see it expressed throughout the org, but he's not making enough right calls lately to see it through.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

This team looks like my off-season pessimistic nightmare come to life

 

[Trolfoli]

We got 2 goals!!!! Moral Victory!!!

Edit: I don't want Kempe or LaDue to be a part of what this season may turn into.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

We got 2 goals!!!! Moral Victory!!!

Edit: I don't want Kempe or LaDue to be a part of what this season may turn into.

Needed a Flyer to score one of those though

 

[damacles1156]

We got 2 goals!!!! Moral Victory!!!

Edit: I don't want Kempe or LaDue to be a part of what this season may turn into.

It's a good bet both stay down the majority of the year.

Mersch/Gravel will most likely get the longest looks, and most call ups.

Unless Injuries just get out of control.

 

[KingsFan7824]

No. It's that Lombardi thought too much of himself and got blindsided by Richards and Voynov. (Long time fans will recall that Dave Taylor got blindsided by career ending injuries to Palffy and Allison and Deadmarsh, a much bigger hit to the organization's talent base, which resulted in Taylor's dismissal. It happens.) As with Taylor, the cupboard is bare. Lombardi keeps his job because players that Taylor drafted won him some cups.

That's a facile criticism, but look at Florida, where the Hawks former GM builds a winner, or Anaheim, where a budget team builds a winner, or San Jose, where a stay at home defenseman builds a perennial contender (so close!), and Lombardi needs to ask some hard questions. I love his theory about how to win (play fast and big), and his determination to see it expressed throughout the org, but he's not making enough right calls lately to see it through.

Wait, when did Florida and SJ win? Anaheim won a while ago with two of the all time great defensemen, but can't win at home in Game 7's with their current team.

I don't know what to say other than the Hawks and Kings are both in cap trouble after winning Cups, the Penguins have been consistently criticized over the years for not winning more, and everyone else hasn't won, other than Boston, who have also had cap problems after winning.

I think the evidence points to it being easier to manage the cap if you don't win the Cup. If the Blues had won the Cup at some point, do they let Backes walk? Maybe, but it's an easier choice if you've come up short time and time again.

 

[Little Psycho]

Only game 2

And there's still 80 left

 

[Docgonzo]

No. It's that Lombardi thought too much of himself and got blindsided by Richards and Voynov. (Long time fans will recall that Dave Taylor got blindsided by career ending injuries to Palffy and Allison and Deadmarsh, a much bigger hit to the organization's talent base, which resulted in Taylor's dismissal. It happens.) As with Taylor, the cupboard is bare. Lombardi keeps his job because players that Taylor drafted won him some cups.

That's a facile criticism, but look at Florida, where the Hawks former GM builds a winner, or Anaheim, where a budget team builds a winner, or San Jose, where a stay at home defenseman builds a perennial contender (so close!), and Lombardi needs to ask some hard questions. I love his theory about how to win (play fast and big), and his determination to see it expressed throughout the org, but he's not making enough right calls lately to see it through.

This is a bad example, Florida and San Jose have won nothing. Anaheim hasn't won since 07 and minus the ups have picked 12th with Fowler and 6th with Lindholm, not exactly always winning. Pens went through a long drought as well, only franchise than can say anything is Chicago.

 

[boyfromtroykings]

Only game 2

And there's still 80 left

feel sorry for you if you think this team is gonna improve.
Half of this team wouldn't cut it on the other 30 rosters.(including vegas)
Andreoff,Greene,Nolan,King, are trash.

 

[Herby]

No. It's that Lombardi thought too much of himself and got blindsided by Richards and Voynov. (Long time fans will recall that Dave Taylor got blindsided by career ending injuries to Palffy and Allison and Deadmarsh, a much bigger hit to the organization's talent base, which resulted in Taylor's dismissal. It happens.) As with Taylor, the cupboard is bare. Lombardi keeps his job because players that Taylor drafted won him some cups.
.

A lot of truth in this.

Lombardi built on it, but clearly the Kings don't win without Kopitar, Quick and Brown, three hold overs from Taylor, especially in regards to Kopitar. Lombardi inherited a 19 year old basically plug and play top 10 #1 center for the next 15 years. That is one of the hardest things to get, in DL's 18 years managing NHL teams he only drafted and developed one #1 center in Marleau and he was never anywhere close to Kopitar.

Dean caught a tough break with Voynov, but the good fortune has far outweighed the bad. Remember the Kings attempted to sign Brad Richards the summer before they won the first cup. Same with Drury in 08.

The problem with the Kings is getting stuck with all these long term contracts. In 2014 Dean basically committed another 10 years and $45m in cap space to two players who clearly should have been moved on from. Because he let the decision become personal. That was in addition to having Brown on the books for 7 more years, Quick for 8 more years, Carter for 8 more years plus an extension for Kopitar (a guy you obviously can't lose).

He also made it personal with the trading of the 1st round picks for rentals. Instead of seeing a roster with significant holes in it that wasn't close to contending he saw with his heart and went out and traded away significant pieces of the future for these group of guys, even though it was time to turn the page and look to re-loading. Unfortunately with Dean's piss poor decisions it really isn't capable of reloading at this point the Kings need a rebuild, maybe a mini one, but this isn't going to be a contending on the fly reload, we are going to have to miss the playoffs for a few years here.

 

[kingsholygrail]

No. It's that Lombardi thought too much of himself and got blindsided by Richards and Voynov. (Long time fans will recall that Dave Taylor got blindsided by career ending injuries to Palffy and Allison and Deadmarsh, a much bigger hit to the organization's talent base, which resulted in Taylor's dismissal. It happens.) As with Taylor, the cupboard is bare. Lombardi keeps his job because players that Taylor drafted won him some cups.

That's a facile criticism, but look at Florida, where the Hawks former GM builds a winner, or Anaheim, where a budget team builds a winner, or San Jose, where a stay at home defenseman builds a perennial contender (so close!), and Lombardi needs to ask some hard questions. I love his theory about how to win (play fast and big), and his determination to see it expressed throughout the org, but he's not making enough right calls lately to see it through.

Dismissing the big trades that pushed the Kings over the top on their runs.
Dismissing the timely call ups that pushed the Kings over the top.
Nah, it was all Dave Taylor. Lombardi was just warming the seat.
How new are you?

 

[Herby]

Dismissing the big trades that pushed the Kings over the top on their runs.
Dismissing the timely call ups that pushed the Kings over the top.
Nah, it was all Dave Taylor. Lombardi was just warming the seat.
How new are you?

I think his point was, the Kings don't win without those guys already on board, especially Kopitar.

The question is, is Dean Lombardi capable of not just rebuilding a contending team, but most importantly letting go of so many of his "sons" as he used to call them?

I think it's a very valid concern.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

PGT is rolling.