Pouliot is the next Bobby Orr. In the last year I have enjoyed watching him make meaningless rushes that result in Boeser covering for him on defense.
Post-Game Talk: GAME 19: Canucks 1, Rangers 2: Point streak over! Ice bags brought out.
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It is the same thing we see with to many coaches who fall in love with someone they coached in the minors and cant look past it, pouilot is his linden vey. Undeserved opportunities.
geebaan
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Yea I hate it too but it’s not uncommon, and in fact, quite common. It’s the loving of grinder players by Green I don’t get.
Yeah I do. From the beginning of the season, if they had Granlund or Goldobin instead of Rowney, they probably lose a couple games or miss out on points. Rowney kills penalties, he's a good face-off guy.
Goldobin almost cost us a goal this game because of his terrible hockey IQ, Granlund is a passenger and did nothing at all, his face-off % sucks as well. I know they play more than Rowney, but in the same role as the Penguins, Rowney would be better and probably wouldn't cost a goal a game like Goldobin.
If Boeser was healthy, I would scratch Goldobin. I enjoy watching his creativity but as a coach there is no way I want that guy in the line-up with his turnovers and erratic play. He simply doesn't produce enough to justify his spot. That said, with no Boeser, they need him in there. And what the hell is going on with Gudbranson. He actually looks.... good???
Melvin
21/12/05
Team didn't play that badly but puck luck has dried up and a few individual performances were awful.
- Goldobin was absolutely terrible in the first, then had two shifts where he scored and almost scored, then went back to being absolutely terrible. Despite scoring that was his worst game of the season and a brutal showing. Puck management was atrocious, defensive play poor, two lazy penalties.
- Pouliot is garbage. What a terrible performance. Did everything wrong with the puck on his stick tonight. Level of precision in his play about what you'd expect of a player who was drunk. That he's still on the top PP unit is insanity. Defensively he's always been terrible and this is no change. Contributes absolutely nothing to this team aside from wasting Tanev on babysitting duty.
- Virtanen is both playing well and hindering Pettersson and his line. Has skated very well in the last two games and is doing a lot of good things, but he's just a terrible match for Pettersson. Much better fit with Horvat or Sutter when he returns.
- Hutton and Gudbranson were solid but using Gudbranson as a sheltered offensive defender only playing with the Pettersson line is not a good idea. Not surprising that Pettersson's scoring has dried up when 2 of the 4 players on the ice with him are always two guys with the hockey sense of Virtanen and Gudbranson.
- Horvat continued to chew through tough minutes but wasn't nearly as dangerous offensively tonight. Roussel contributed little on his wing.
- Granlund went back to old Granlund tonight. Less committed skating and a lazy icing call that cost the team the winning goal.
- Schaller sucks.
- Markstrom very good again. Giving the team a chance to win every night.
- Goldobin was absolutely terrible in the first, then had two shifts where he scored and almost scored, then went back to being absolutely terrible. Despite scoring that was his worst game of the season and a brutal showing. Puck management was atrocious, defensive play poor, two lazy penalties.
- Pouliot is garbage. What a terrible performance. Did everything wrong with the puck on his stick tonight. Level of precision in his play about what you'd expect of a player who was drunk. That he's still on the top PP unit is insanity. Defensively he's always been terrible and this is no change. Contributes absolutely nothing to this team aside from wasting Tanev on babysitting duty.
- Virtanen is both playing well and hindering Pettersson and his line. Has skated very well in the last two games and is doing a lot of good things, but he's just a terrible match for Pettersson. Much better fit with Horvat or Sutter when he returns.
- Hutton and Gudbranson were solid but using Gudbranson as a sheltered offensive defender only playing with the Pettersson line is not a good idea. Not surprising that Pettersson's scoring has dried up when 2 of the 4 players on the ice with him are always two guys with the hockey sense of Virtanen and Gudbranson.
- Horvat continued to chew through tough minutes but wasn't nearly as dangerous offensively tonight. Roussel contributed little on his wing.
- Granlund went back to old Granlund tonight. Less committed skating and a lazy icing call that cost the team the winning goal.
- Schaller sucks.
- Markstrom very good again. Giving the team a chance to win every night.
Pouliot out on the 6 on 4 lol. “Canucks battle hard and gain possession, they set up, back to Pouliot he shoots easily blocked and the puck clears the zone...” why was he out there? Stecher, Hutton, Tanev heck even Gudbranson and Del Zotto are better options.
Svencouver
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Good:
Virtanen: With a caveat, in that I think he's a poor fit for Pettersson. He's playing well on the boards, checking almost better than everyone else on the team, and is looking like a totally different player than the defensive gaffe-meister from a couple of seasons ago. I'd say he needs to work on his O zone play, though. Hes disporportionately more effective when hes checking or on the rush. He isn't great at getting into good spots to score and doesn't make great passes when we have control on the cycle. He's been playing net front for a couple years, though, so hopefully green gives him some more opportunities to work on that.
Markstrom: Always gives up one juicy rebound right in the slot each game, but other than that he's looking consistently better than last year. Is being let down by one of the leagues worst defenses. Most of the shots he gets scored on are pretty unsaveable.
Pettersson: Is doing pretty well given he has like 3-4 guys collapsing in on him constantly since nobody else on his line is really a threat. Isn't getting a ton of space to operate and seems kinda reluctant to pass.
Hutton: Looks like our best D man at times. Is the only consistent offensive catalyst on the blue line and is respectable defensively as well. His combination of physicality and quickness makes him an eye-catcher in a good way, even if he isn't the most physical or the quickest.
Meh:
Pretty much the rest of the team. Just looked consistently outclassed in every aspect tonight, really, and stayed pretty quiet throughout. NYR played our game better than we did - outspending us and playing aggressive on D. Really shut down a lot of our offense.
Gaudette: Kinda looking like a tweener. Could be good and has flashed but is just way too raw, inexperienced, and easy to knock off the puck. Looks unsuited to the NHL game atm. One of those players that you look at and don't see anything wrong with, but just doesn't make things happen on the scoresheet. Needs more time in the A.
Gudbranson: Looking solid. Needs to play a simple game of defensive responsibility, using his size, and putting shots on net to succeed. Hopefully he can keep doing that. That simple game will result in quiet nights like tonight, but that's better than having a night like Pouliot.
Horvat: Desperately needs help on the wings. Should be one of our biggest priorities going forward. Always one step ahead of everyone hes playing with atm, both literally and figuratively. Solid but he can't do everything by himself. Would love to see someone like Stone on his line.
Bad:
Do I even have to say it? It's Pouliot. Pouliot sucks and Green needs to get it through is head already that he sucks. Just our worst player in every aspect in every game he's played going back to preseason. Evident that the only reason he's still in the lineup is because they want to take their time with Juolevi but every game is making it harder for me to maintain that patience. Juolevi, despite his faults, is everything that Pouliot isn't. A Solid PPQB most importantly. Our PP is going to look horrendous as long as he's leading it.
Green: Stop making Pouliot the centerpiece of this team. He's on the first pairing and the PP1. He isn't good enough for either of those positions. Shelter him on the 3rd pairing until we either get Edler back or call Juolevi up.
Goldobin: Frustrating but Im still happy with his development. Our second most skilled forward offensively, while probably one of our worst players defensively. Hell figure it out, I hope.
Virtanen: With a caveat, in that I think he's a poor fit for Pettersson. He's playing well on the boards, checking almost better than everyone else on the team, and is looking like a totally different player than the defensive gaffe-meister from a couple of seasons ago. I'd say he needs to work on his O zone play, though. Hes disporportionately more effective when hes checking or on the rush. He isn't great at getting into good spots to score and doesn't make great passes when we have control on the cycle. He's been playing net front for a couple years, though, so hopefully green gives him some more opportunities to work on that.
Markstrom: Always gives up one juicy rebound right in the slot each game, but other than that he's looking consistently better than last year. Is being let down by one of the leagues worst defenses. Most of the shots he gets scored on are pretty unsaveable.
Pettersson: Is doing pretty well given he has like 3-4 guys collapsing in on him constantly since nobody else on his line is really a threat. Isn't getting a ton of space to operate and seems kinda reluctant to pass.
Hutton: Looks like our best D man at times. Is the only consistent offensive catalyst on the blue line and is respectable defensively as well. His combination of physicality and quickness makes him an eye-catcher in a good way, even if he isn't the most physical or the quickest.
Meh:
Pretty much the rest of the team. Just looked consistently outclassed in every aspect tonight, really, and stayed pretty quiet throughout. NYR played our game better than we did - outspending us and playing aggressive on D. Really shut down a lot of our offense.
Gaudette: Kinda looking like a tweener. Could be good and has flashed but is just way too raw, inexperienced, and easy to knock off the puck. Looks unsuited to the NHL game atm. One of those players that you look at and don't see anything wrong with, but just doesn't make things happen on the scoresheet. Needs more time in the A.
Gudbranson: Looking solid. Needs to play a simple game of defensive responsibility, using his size, and putting shots on net to succeed. Hopefully he can keep doing that. That simple game will result in quiet nights like tonight, but that's better than having a night like Pouliot.
Horvat: Desperately needs help on the wings. Should be one of our biggest priorities going forward. Always one step ahead of everyone hes playing with atm, both literally and figuratively. Solid but he can't do everything by himself. Would love to see someone like Stone on his line.
Bad:
Do I even have to say it? It's Pouliot. Pouliot sucks and Green needs to get it through is head already that he sucks. Just our worst player in every aspect in every game he's played going back to preseason. Evident that the only reason he's still in the lineup is because they want to take their time with Juolevi but every game is making it harder for me to maintain that patience. Juolevi, despite his faults, is everything that Pouliot isn't. A Solid PPQB most importantly. Our PP is going to look horrendous as long as he's leading it.
Green: Stop making Pouliot the centerpiece of this team. He's on the first pairing and the PP1. He isn't good enough for either of those positions. Shelter him on the 3rd pairing until we either get Edler back or call Juolevi up.
Goldobin: Frustrating but Im still happy with his development. Our second most skilled forward offensively, while probably one of our worst players defensively. Hell figure it out, I hope.
You keep doing this and I’ll keep smashing that like button
I know there's a lot of anger and frustration with Pouliot, but we have to step back and look at this.
Green, and management, have to see what they've got. They're consistently playing Pouliot on the pp to see if they have a future pp qb to compliment Hughes. He may improve and run with it, or he may get even worse.
I think they know what they have with Edler, Tanev, Guds, Stecher, and Hutton, but Pouliot is still a question mark.
Green, and management, have to see what they've got. They're consistently playing Pouliot on the pp to see if they have a future pp qb to compliment Hughes. He may improve and run with it, or he may get even worse.
I think they know what they have with Edler, Tanev, Guds, Stecher, and Hutton, but Pouliot is still a question mark.
Bleach Clean
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Agreed, Goldobin and Pouliot had bad games. Pouliot, especially, is just well past any potential use. The risk is no longer worth the reward. At least with Hutton, even when he was "struggling", he could play the game at evens. Pouliot can't.
A few comments:
- Pettersson and Virtanen was unlikely to work. Opposing play styles. Glad they tried it, but time to move on.
- I hate the fact that Gudbranson is paired with Pettersson. I've seen it before with the Sedins sheltering poor defensive pairings. Enough. Put the best players together and let them go. Stop trying to coach scared and continue coaching to win.
- Granlund had an off night, but he's been value on the year. Treating this one as a one off because he's earned the benefit of the doubt.
- Markstrom has been good on the year. His numbers aren't there, but he's been good. He is a legit #1 to me. Goaltending has not been a major question mark this year, or for a while IMO.
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Wayward Son
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I think it's apparent what we have with Pouliot. It's just a question of when that is going to sink in to the big guns upstairs.
Intangibos
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Gaudette should be developing in the AHL.
The only question mark in regards to Pouliot is the one floating above my head when I watch him attempt to play hockey.
Terrible player. No upside. Get rid of him.
The only question mark in regards to Pouliot is the one floating above my head when I watch him attempt to play hockey.
Terrible player. No upside. Get rid of him.
I don't think it's a tiny metric at all. A coach needs to have as many weapons and as many better weapons than other coaches as possible. If you're getting into a knife fight and the other guy has a butter knife you'd rather have a machete because it's gives you a huge advantage. If your knife aka your best face-off guy is Manny Malhotra or Jay Beagle then you've got a machete and if your best faceoff guy is Jared McCann or Henrik Sedin last year (I'm sorry Henrik) you have a butter knife. If you're not giving your coach the best weapons you can for each situation you're not doing your job as a team builder.
Let me ask you this, you at least believe that Malholtra's ability to win faceoffs and defend/PK was significant right?
Svencouver
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If Pouliot was traded off our team and went on to win a Norris, I'd still be glad we traded him.
Josepho
i want the bartkowski thread back
the difference between 2/3 faceoffs every game is not the same as the difference between a machete and a butter knife
jesus christ
Plays happen one at a time and yes in a key situation the difference between having prime Malhotra facing off against last year's (injured?) Henrik is the difference between a butter knife and a machete.
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Reminder that the reason faceoffs matter is to have the puck more. Malhotra was excellent at not getting scored on. Malhotra was excellent on the PK. When Malhotra's line had the puck Malhotra's line kept the puck.
I think I'd be a little less po'd with the loss if EP had just scored a goal. Things should be better at home when we can get the line-up matches we want.
Josepho
i want the bartkowski thread back
