GDT: Game 13: Sharks vs. Canucks 7:00pm NBCSCA

[Hodge]

I'm less concerned with Walman vs Ferraro and more concerned about putting out a new line of PKers who haven't taken a shift together yet and hoping they PK us to victory/OT in this case. I would have rather seen literally any of the four regular lines out there. Just not sure why he thinks this approach is a good idea.

Top line + 2/3 of the 2nd line were just out there with the extra attacker so you can't put them back on the ice. You don't want Smith or Gushchin on the ice in that situation so it comes down to Goodrow, Kunin, Sturm, Cardwell and Grundstrom. Definitely a strange decision to go with Cardwell over Sturm but I don't know how much of a difference that really made.

 

[TheBeard]

I'm less concerned with Walman vs Ferraro and more concerned about putting out a new line of PKers who haven't taken a shift together yet and hoping they PK us to victory/OT in this case. I would have rather seen literally any of the four regular lines out there. Just not sure why he thinks this approach is a good idea.

I honestly think he should have taken the timeout. Vancouver wasn’t gonna sit back based on who they sent out there. I just don’t understand playing anyone who was just out there for 90 seconds. It wasn’t bad decision from inexperience. Just trying too hard to be smart.

Top line + 2/3 of the 2nd line were just out there with the extra attacker so you can't put them back on the ice. You don't want Smith or Gushchin on the ice in that situation so it comes down to Goodrow, Kunin, Sturm, Cardwell and Grundstrom. Definitely a strange decision to go with Cardwell over Sturm but I don't know how much of a difference that really made.

Granlund was your only forward over 50% on faceoff.

Take the timeout.

 

[tiburon12]

Toffoli is on HNIC After Hours and they just showed a vacation pic of him and his wife and she only comes up to his armpit.

Me: "Geez, do I just not remember him being 6'4 or something?"

*goes to Hockeydb. Toffoli is 6'0 even*

"Huh, she's just tiny."

A foot difference in height is a rookie gap

 

[coooldude]

Top line + 2/3 of the 2nd line were just out there with the extra attacker so you can't put them back on the ice. You don't want Smith or Gushchin on the ice in that situation so it comes down to Goodrow, Kunin, Sturm, Cardwell and Grundstrom. Definitely a strange decision to go with Cardwell over Sturm but I don't know how much of a difference that really made.

First problem is we're so shallow that this is the kind of decision he has to make. Also I want to say that I think Warso is doing a good job with lines, the system, and the team attitude and these things had us in the game.

However, either take the TO like @TheBeard is arguing, or put out the third line. You don't want the team to sit back on their heels? Put out Smith - Goody- Kunin and see if we can get some OZ possession and give the kid some pressure experience.

Alternately, as you said, Sturm-Kunin-Goody gives you two guys who can take a good face-off, and a lot more experience than Cardwell. Any of these options better than what he did, and anyway, he did the same thing at the end of the 1st/2nd, the season opener, etc and it just doesn't seem to be working with our personnel. Not a huge deal, honestly, just a minor annoyance despite feeling like Warso is doing a decent job.

 

[Hodge]

First problem is we're so shallow that this is the kind of decision he has to make. Also I want to say that I think Warso is doing a good job with lines, the system, and the team attitude and these things had us in the game.

However, either take the TO like @TheBeard is arguing, or put out the third line. You don't want the team to sit back on their heels? Put out Smith - Goody- Kunin and see if we can get some OZ possession and give the kid some pressure experience.

Alternately, as you said, Sturm-Kunin-Goody gives you two guys who can take a good face-off, and a lot more experience than Cardwell. Any of these options better than what he did, and anyway, he did the same thing at the end of the 1st/2nd, the season opener, etc and it just doesn't seem to be working with our personnel. Not a huge deal, honestly, just a minor annoyance despite feeling like Warso is doing a decent job.

Maybe he blamed Sturm for the DeBrusk goal? I thought that one was all on the horrendous line change.

 

[Alaskanice]

Liljegren 5th in ice time among Dmen and +2. No other dmen were +.

That’s impressive.

 

[DG93]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852939943259369878

Good showing by the new guy. Didn't realize the Wennberg line struggled so much tonight. I'm mildly concerned about Zetterlund. He puts his head down and tries to stickhandled through everyone way too often. Doesn't look like he's playing well off of his linemates. They're just watching him and trying to guess what's gonna happen.

Man, Ferraro is a boat anchor...Rutta and Ceci aren't great but it's pretty telling that their underlying #s flip flop the moment their partners are switched. Yikes...

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

I'm going to f***ing bed. Gonna make it everyone else's problem tomorrow morning.

If youre still awake and want some laughs, there's a thread on the Main Boards titled 'Is your coach an idiot?" that you could always post in. I just got back from there lol.

 

[dmcccdmn]

 

[Chinaski89]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852939943259369878

Good showing by the new guy. Didn't realize the Wennberg line struggled so much tonight. I'm mildly concerned about Zetterlund. He puts his head down and tries to stickhandled through everyone way too often. Doesn't look like he's playing well off of his linemates. They're just watching him and trying to guess what's gonna happen.

I’d really like to have Emberson back…

 

[Anomie2029]

Man, Ferraro is a boat anchor...Rutta and Ceci aren't great but it's pretty telling that their underlying #s flip flop the moment their partners are switched. Yikes...

But he tries really hard and is a good guy…

Meanwhile Thompson has been solid to good every game he’s played. It must be frustrating to be a DMan in the Sharks and see him given free reign to stink it up on the ice night after night and get praised.

 

[Star Platinum]

Its annoying how every little mistake Will Smith makes, Drew calls him out, but he never calls out supposed defensive wizards Kunin or Goodrow anytime they mess up.

Actually, the thing Drew does that annoys me beyond anything else is his obsession with shooting the puck. I watched 15 years of the Sharks outshooting the other team 2 to 1 in the playoffs and losing. Maybe instead talk about how bad the Sharks are at passing and possessing the puck and drop your jihad about shooting.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Such a disappointing ending to a nice game... It just showed how hard you need to push when you get the momentum back with that 2-2 goal. Zetterlund was sooo close to tie it up 3-3, it actually made my throw my Sharks towel to the ground after he missed it. Sucks, but what can you do.
All around this was kinda of a Sharks game I was expecting this year, but it actually hurts more when you get a glimpse of hope. Sharks need Celebrini back asap.

 

[Tw1ster]

Missed the game, I don’t see a million Will Smith posts, how’d he look?

 

[DG93]

Missed the game, I don’t see a million Will Smith posts, how’d he look?

Looked okay but unfortunately was a big part of the screwup that led to the Canucks 2nd goal. It happens, life moves on...part of the learning process.

 

[MackAttack71]

I know some of those names, but who was Fredrik Handemark? That was 3 years ago and I don't remember him at all.

Big Swede C, good at FO - but that's it

 

[Hangemhigh]

Back to tanking. That streak had me a little worried.

 

[matt trick]

Back to tanking. That streak had me a little worried.

Agreed. I'd love to keep the good vibes rolling, and comebacks are fun for the players, but this remains a tank year. I love that they are way more competitive though. On pace for -113 goal differential. While that's off my hoped for target of -75 (half of last years -150), I think they have a decent chance of getting there.

Definitely want to ensure we come away with one of Martone, Misa, Hagens, or Schaefer. Those four seem superior to McQueen, Frondell, Rybakin, Eklund (who's playing lights out), or Hensler. Still early though, but those first four all look spectacular.

 

[weastern bias]

. . . so it went well?

 

[Alaskanice]

But he tries really hard and is a good guy…

Meanwhile Thompson has been solid to good every game he’s played. It must be frustrating to be a DMan in the Sharks and see him given free rein to stink it up on the ice night after night and get praised.

It’s true. Mario tries and is a good guy. He’s also effective at what he does. I don’t have charts and stuff to put his name in but I’ve played and watched a lifetimes worth of hockey.
He was a part of the reason that Vancouver didn’t wipe the ice with us. His hustle to get underneath guys and getting his stick on the puck was so good for the team. Let alone the blocked shots and deflected pucks. This is the game he plays. It’s not appreciated and then he gets bagged on. It could’ve been a lot worse without him.

 

[Alaskanice]

Watched the postgame with Walman. He takes accountability for the loss because he didn’t check his guy. That’s not easy but respectable.

 

[Hodge]

Watched the postgame with Walman. He takes accountability for the loss because he didn’t check his guy. That’s not easy but respectable.

I mean, he was directly responsible for both Suter goals so he better take accountability. In fairness not sure he should have returned after the Boeser hit.

 

[mogambomoroo]

After getting some time off that loss, I was actually pretty happy by the fact that we played without Celebrini and it was Liljegren first game and managed to make it close. It was couple of minor mistakes that cost us that game, but can see Celebrini helping us outscore our problems in couple of games this year.

 

[Dicdonya]

Actually, the thing Drew does that annoys me beyond anything else is his obsession with shooting the puck. I watched 15 years of the Sharks outshooting the other team 2 to 1 in the playoffs and losing. Maybe instead talk about how bad the Sharks are at passing and possessing the puck and drop your jihad about shooting.

No offense but your complaint is a bit odd to me.

So you think that when the Sharks were consistently one of the best teams in the league, always making the playoffs, and had their one Stanley Cup finals appearance they were doing something wrong by shooting too much?

Yet now that we are consistently one of the lowest shooting, lowest scoring, and worst teams in the league, Drew is annoying/wrong to call for more shots when players pass them up during the game?

Looking at last year alone the top 5 teams in GF/Game and their respective Shots/Game:

Avs- 3.68--33.0
Toronto- 3.63--32.6
Stars- 3.59--31.6
Oilers- 3.56--33.8
Lightning- 3.51--29.3

And the Bottom 5-

Capitals- 2.63--26.5
Kraken- 2.61--28.6
Ducks- 2.48--26.8
Sharks- 2.20--25.2
Chicago- 2.17--26.3

and just for good measure the Stanley cup winning Florida- 3.23--33.7

In the playoffs as well, both Edmonton and Florida were among the top 5 in scoring per game, and were 3rd and 6th in shots per game.

Now we could sit here and debate whether those teams generate more shots because they have better players, but it still doesn't change the fact that on average, since outliers always exist, being a team that shoots the puck a lot is more likely to also be a team that scores more goals. Scoring more goals usually correlates with winning more games. So I fail to see why you take such issue with Drew wanting the players to shoot more.

I totally agree with Drew, our players pass up on WAY too many shot opportunities and opt instead to look for really poor success rate passing plays that most of our players are not good enough to even attempt in the first place. Shooting a puck on net when you have a shot is the far better play when your team is lacking in skill, its far easier to predict, it allows our players, high and low skilled ones, to get in and create chaos around the net to hopefully lead to more ugly goals, or rebound opportunities that generally require less skill to put in the net.

 

[sampler]

I was at the game last night... Good overall... here are the thoughts:

1. Loved Gush and Cards: Both made mistakes (gush penalty) cards was -2), but both showed some NHL level skill, speed, and tenacity. Cardwell won some 1 on 1 plays and I liked his game. Bodes well...
2. Liljegren was fine. Didnt stand out either way, aside form sucking on the PP. +2 although I didnt see him as responsible for either goal. Looking forward to seeing more form him...
3. Smith had a grade A chance go high and wide and had a terrible chip that led to what shoulda been the game losing goal. I know he got the 2 goals last game, and hes starting to vaguely resemble an NHLer, but hes still not there. Not as terrible before though and won a few physical battles. Hes starting to belong just a little.
4. Sharks need Celly. Really, if celly comes back fully healthy and plays a legit top line C role, this team doesnt suck.
5. The heart and effort is there. Yes, they had brain farts, but if Ek buries his breakaway and the PP plays with a bit more urgency, they could very very easily have won this game. Vancouver is a top team and the sharks played toe to toe with them.
6. Jack thompson > Thrun. I think he should be in and thrun out...

All in all, a good game. Vancouver controlled much of the 1st. Sharks had the edge in the second. Third was close. Basically, it was a tie game against a real cup contender. Thats excellent.

If Liljgren can play a top 4 role and contribute offensively and celly can come back fully healthy, smith improve with easier depth matchups, the sharks could make a legit run. Not likely, but this is not just a tank year anymore. that's 4 straight solid games, and the kids are improving. Im getting optimistic again...