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You made the right choice. Highlights are sufficient.
GDT: Game 13: Red Wings at TML 7:00 pm et 11/08/24
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You made the right choice. Highlights are sufficient.
cjm502
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lilidk
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We have good first line, that scores , good third line , that doesn't scores . Rest is a garbage. We have great first pair, AJo and rest is garbage.
Not sure where some of the whining is coming from for this game. It was pacey and well-played with good puck movement up ice for both teams, just not a lot there for either team. There was nothing to choose between the two teams at ES, by xGF and xGA it was 1.4 to 1.35 for Wings. PP was the only difference along with Wings not being able to finish half-chances or get the lucky bounce they needed. Agree with the post about Lalonde not acting quickly enough to pull the goalie during a sustained O-zone possession that started with 2:25 left and lasted 30 seconds. An extra skater might have got a cleaner look on goal than any of the players on ice had, none of their shots getting through.
Positive: Raymond, Larkin, Debrincat look really good
Negative: every other forward is essentially useless offensively (other than Kane on the PP only)
Negative: every other forward is essentially useless offensively (other than Kane on the PP only)
There's potential on the team. They just look so out of sync. Maybe it's the flu. Maybe it's new teammates. Maybe they need confidence. I just feel like they can turn the corner and play a stretch of good hockey if they can get it together.
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Gniwder
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Fester won't make changes until they lose a couple in a row. Husso will make sure that happens, lol.
As much as I keep saying Kasper needs to be sent down, I also think it'll be good for him to play with a legit top 6 winger. Let him play with Ray, and if he can't get the puck to Ray then send him down.
lilidk
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You can't send him down, he improved team. It will be bad massage, but yes , let him play with Raymond and see what will happen
Gniwder
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He needs to work on his offense and that's not gonna happen by taking one or two shots a game in the NHL. At 10% shooting that'll be a dozen goals, right now he's putting up the big zero. Develop him as a NHL bottom 6, and we get another Veleno/Raz type player.
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I tend to agree. His overall game is NHL ready, bar his offense. I would give him another year in the AHL to develop that.
It was one of our better games this season in my opinion. We weren't outplayed. More calm and controlled breakouts this game, which is a good sign. I am looking forward for the flu to pass.
JediOrderPizza
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I think you gotta try Berg-Kasper-Raymond at this point. The rest of the wingers make it hard to mix it up with how dependent they are on Larkin.
Ulysses31
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The criticism of Kasper's offensive shortcomings is a joke, right? He does more to advance possession and create chances than at least half a dozen other forwards. His back-pass to Berggren in front of the net was one of the better and most creative plays of the game by any forward. He's always moving the puck quickly, either by hiimself or makng a routine but good pass. The only area where he is probably not ready is in his preparedness to shoot. He goes to the right places, but he seems a little surprised when the puck finds him and doesn't do a lot with the rare opportunity he gets.
Wings are making the right steps forward by getting a lot better recently defensively. That's going to result in fewer goals for them, too. Special teams become more important, killing just one of the two penalties would have got them at least a point. What nobody is mentioning about last night is that the Leafs were really good n their own end, closing players down and giving up very few chances. Tanev and OEL are great additions for them and without Matthews the forwards seemed committed to a better job defensively. It was a low-event game and frustrating in some ways, but ithere was a good pace and generally played at a pretty high level. There was nothing about the way the Wings played that called for immediate changes to anything they're trying to do.
Wings are making the right steps forward by getting a lot better recently defensively. That's going to result in fewer goals for them, too. Special teams become more important, killing just one of the two penalties would have got them at least a point. What nobody is mentioning about last night is that the Leafs were really good n their own end, closing players down and giving up very few chances. Tanev and OEL are great additions for them and without Matthews the forwards seemed committed to a better job defensively. It was a low-event game and frustrating in some ways, but ithere was a good pace and generally played at a pretty high level. There was nothing about the way the Wings played that called for immediate changes to anything they're trying to do.
lilidk
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Lalonde is using Kasper line like second line and Berggren and Kasper reason why. That's why I don't believe Kasper will be send down on. I always thought about Lombardi and Kasper on the same line is a good thing. So instead of sending Kasper down , bring Lombardi up. Yzerman needs to make trade and free up some space
LongTimeDRWF
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I would like Newsy to give him 8-9 games with JB and Ray, then maybe send him him down with the sole goal of developing offense in the AHL, it is better to do it now than do it next year when they were probably looking at adding some others to the mix.
Use the roster spot to bring up various kids for cups of coffee, I suspect SY will want to expose many of them in stages like what was done in TB.
I still see this year and next season as a building exercise, where playoffs are a realistic "reach" goal but not the serious bar standard bar just yet.
Kasper should 100% get the 2C for a few games. He's has not looked like a liability (not even close really) and he is much more dynamic, dangerous, creative and physical than Compher and Copp.
Put Compher on his wing with Raymond and see what happens. That's a pretty hard line to play against that can score too.
I don't care if it messes up the 3/4 lines because they don't do shit. Just structure the bottom lines so they can continue to tread water.
Play the good players!
Put Compher on his wing with Raymond and see what happens. That's a pretty hard line to play against that can score too.
I don't care if it messes up the 3/4 lines because they don't do shit. Just structure the bottom lines so they can continue to tread water.
Play the good players!
Gniwder
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The kids in that draft class are either struggling to score in the NHL (Wright/Gauthier/Geekie) or putting up points in the AHL (Nazar/Lekkermaki/Kemel). I'd rather have Kasper putting up points in the AHL than playing 3rd line in the NHL and not scoring.
He can move the puck and pass, that's why he should either be on the second line or sent down. No matter how well he plays, if he's not putting up points then it means he's just killing time out there which is what Joey/Raz/Copp/Fischer do. It's not what you want to develop a top ten pick into.
As for shooting, he's bound to get 3 or 4x more shooting opportunity in the AHL playing top line and PP1. Not to mention more PP practice time. Everyone likes to use late bloomers as examples, but they're the exception not the rule. Kasper needs the development now or he's gonna become a slightly slower Helm with better passing.
Gniwder
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This forum has a habit of chasing away anyone that expresses negativity towards certain management and players. Pretty soon it'll just be a couple of dozen eternal optimists hanging out because it's an old school format that isn't going to attract many new users. If it was just a Red Wings forum, it probably would have shut down by now.
You're offerng a solution in search of a problem. Kasper's lack of productivity is not a problem when he's not bringing the team down. He's actually boosting the team a little. Your solution is to first of all put pressure oh him to score in a bigger role in the NHL, and if he doesn't do it quickly send him down to where he's under pressure to put up points against weaker opposition. I can't imagine anything worse for a prospect than to be put under pressure to do something that he's not quite ready to do yet, and doesn't need to do to help the team be a bit better. He's already making the team a bit better.by just doing what he's doing.
You've been down on Kasper from day one, your first impressions of a predictably slow NA debut continuing to pollute your opinion of him despite evidence he's a different and much better player now, and has been for about ten months, than when you had your first impression. He's been good for the team, not anything close to a problem, you just want to make it one with dire and ridiculous projections. Dozens if not hundreds of guys develop from statistically slow NHL starts to good NHL careers without their teams thinking they had to make things easier for them.
