GDT: Game 12: Red Wings at hawks 8:00 pm et 11/6/24

[datsyukfan]

Burgers Kasper Raymond
Copp Compher Tank.

Do it Lalonde.

I actually would welcome this move. It makes some sense. Gives Raymond some more speed (Kasper) and creativity (Berggren) to play with.

The 3rd line becomes more of a big body grind it out, let Copp and Compher work the cycle and tank capitalize on the chances they create

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Seider and Ed pushed him around a lot

Raymond too.

 

[nhlisawesome]

This weekend's game are massive in determining early on if we're just dreamers carried completely by luck, Talbot, and Larkin's goals so far. If they can get 2+ points vs Leafs / Rangers there could be something there. Eventually the passive playstyle gets exposed heavily by good teams that push the envelope. I guess you go Lyon tomorrow and Talbot Saturday?

 

[Gniwder]

Copp’s trade stock is rising.

There will be Cup contenders looking for 3rd line centers who can close competitive games with empty net goals.

Namestnikov was traded 4 times for a 4th round pick since 2019. If Copp didn't have 2 more years on his contract....

 

[odin1981]

I caught most of the game last night. It was good overall, granted against a tanking team. But I'm glad that they didn't let up after they took the lead back in the second. Hopefully they will build on that and be more proactive when they have the lead instead of doing the turtle and pray like they usually do.

It's one thing to turtle up when you are in a 3+ goal lead. I understand at that point they are conserving energy. But when you are only 1-2 goals up, it is asking for comebacks.

 

[14ari13]

I caught most of the game last night. It was good overall, granted against a tanking team. But I'm glad that they didn't let up after they took the lead back in the second. Hopefully they will build on that and be more proactive when they have the lead instead of doing the turtle and pray like they usually do.

It's one thing to turtle up when you are in a 3+ goal lead. I understand at that point they are conserving energy. But when you are only 1-2 goals up, it is asking for comebacks.

You see there that kind of game, establishing the momentum and dominating instead of turtling.
Several posters or all have complained about that part of the game with a good reason.
That happened last night when Petry went to maintain the play in the offensive zone, but he failed and they scored. Everyone jumped and complained how terrible Petry was, but his intention was right and neither the team no he should get discouraged because of it. They have to try it. Obviously they can't succeed doing it as they are not on the same page yet.
I would say it was a good and right play by Petry, but unfortunately not successful.

If the posters want to discuss this play, they can do it without me, I don't have time.
But to me it was a very important part of the game the team has to improve on.

 

[odin1981]

You see there that kind of game, establishing the momentum and dominating instead of turtling.
Several posters or all have complained about that part of the game with a good reason.
That happened last night when Petry went to maintain the play in the offensive zone, but he failed and they scored. Everyone jumped and complained how terrible Petry was, but his intention was right and neither the team no he should get discouraged because of it. They have to try it. Obviously they can't succeed doing it as they are not on the same page yet.
I would say it was a good and right play by Petry, but unfortunately not successful.

If the posters want to discuss this play, they can do it without me, I don't have time.
But to me it was a very important part of the game the team has to improve on.

I'm not saying I'm not guilty of this though
the object of my disdain is normally Chiarot and Holl. Ultimately I get why people are upset the defense outside of the first pairing is lacking. I would like to see AL Jo worked in more as well. But I understand earning a coaches trust can take time.

We should all understand what we have in the usual talked about 4. It is frustrating. But over the next 1-3 years they will be moved on from incrementally.

On a side note, I enjoy your discussion. We have over the year's engaged in many topics. It is also a good conversation at least from my perspective. Wish you well friend.

 

[norrisnick]

You see there that kind of game, establishing the momentum and dominating instead of turtling.
Several posters or all have complained about that part of the game with a good reason.
That happened last night when Petry went to maintain the play in the offensive zone, but he failed and they scored. Everyone jumped and complained how terrible Petry was, but his intention was right and neither the team no he should get discouraged because of it. They have to try it. Obviously they can't succeed doing it as they are not on the same page yet.
I would say it was a good and right play by Petry, but unfortunately not successful.

If the posters want to discuss this play, they can do it without me, I don't have time.
But to me it was a very important part of the game the team has to improve on.

It is not a good and right play if you aren't capable of making the play. You have to be able to read that you're slow as f*** in your old age and aren't going to beat a quicker player to a 50/50 puck. Back off and defend.

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

It is not a good and right play if you aren't capable of making the play. You have to be able to read that you're slow as f*** in your old age and aren't going to beat a quicker player to a 50/50 puck. Back off and defend.

Yeah that was just a poor decision by Petry. It was very unlikely he'd get to the puck first and he ended up mostly missing the player too. That play came near the end of a stretch where the Wings weren't playing well, maybe he was desperate to try to get things turned around by keeping play up-ice, but a bad play. A bit later Chiarot got caught too on a pinch, but that was a case of him making the riight decision. He was in position to be aggressive along the boards, but he either misplayed the puck or it took a bad bounce on him. Chiarot though unlike Petry can still skate well enough to get back and help defend the breakout..

There are just too many age-decline related issues with Petry. Falling down on a turn, being outmuscled on the boards more often, puck races he used to win he's now lucky to tie, losing sense of where the puck is at his feet and whiffing on a pass. And asking Chiarot to be the one to help cover for his lack of range only magnifies Chiarot's main issue of wandering too far away from where he needs to be.
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