GDT: Game 12: Columbus vs. Winnipeg | 10/31 7PM EDT

[major major]

This whole booing thing affecting the players reminds me of the discussion about last year's winning streak setting the stage for a deep playoff run this year. Both are pretty much nonsense. The team sucked well before the booing started. The booing is the result not the cause. Players want the booing to stop? Go back to playing like they did during March and April. I guarantee it will stop.

The booing did not cause them to suck, of course. But you seem to assume that the players have it in their control to just "switch" back to being winners. Do you think they might have tried that if it was possible?

 

[We Want Ten]

This is the weirdest GDT.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Instead of booing, fans should just turn their back to the action

 

[EspenK]

The booing did not cause them to suck, of course. But you seem to assume that the players have it in their control to just "switch" back to being winners. Do you think they might have tried that if it was possible?

Well they switched to losers pretty quickly so why not go back to how they played last year?

I know its not as easy as that but you have to wonder what caused the collapse? Maybe the winning streak was the abnormal?

 

[CBJ panick]

This whole booing thing affecting the players reminds me of the discussion about last year's winning streak setting the stage for a deep playoff run this year. Both are pretty much nonsense. The team sucked well before the booing started. The booing is the result not the cause. Players want the booing to stop? Go back to playing like they did during March and April. I guarantee it will stop.

This^^^

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Well they switched to losers pretty quickly so why not go back to how they played last year?

The implication being that they did this on purpose.

 

[Forepar]

I've never told anyone to boo or not boo.

I have criticized those who think that they're helping something by booing. Folks should understand the difference between those two things.



You seriously can't imagine a way those two views can coexist? Not a single way? Can you imagine that someone might find booing to be an ineffective way to improve play?

Let's take a look at a few assumptions that have crept into this debate:

1) The assumption that this club has a "country club atmosphere". The way this club played in 2013 alone belies the assumption that we still have a "country club atmosphere". This was the hardest hitting team in the league for a couple years. It is also, with the exception of Jared Boll, fully turned over since the country club era. The fans are much more familiar with that era than the players are.

2) The assumption that certain fans have more desire for the Jackets to win than the actual players do. This isn't possible. We can go to work or some other hobby and forget about the Jackets. The actual Jackets can't do that. They are leaving and breathing their own incompetence. They are leaving their own incompetence behind.

3) The assumption that the fans can somehow transmit their desire to the players by booing at them. I've already addressed this point ad nauseam.

Fixed it for you. Starting today.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I don't control others so if they boo whatever. But I do know for a fact it doesn't help, it actually hurts the team. The road team feeds off the boo's more than the team getting boo'd.

 

[Forepar]

Booing a 4 min PP when the puck never enters the O-zone in our control, after this 12-game mess following the hype...what did anyone expect?

Sorry, don't understand the concern with booing at this point. If CBJ was competitive in a general sense, I wouldn't boo, wouldn't expect others to boo, but to each their own. If CBJ was "starting over" and this was growing pains, then that is a different story.

But CBJ not just 2-10-0; they are 0-5-0 in their own barn. Late goal with G pulled like Saturday make score look closer than it was --- other than a few games CBJ have NOT LOOKED COMPETITIVE, and the GF/GA is clearest barometer of that. Worse, there are no signs that they will be competitive for a while....too much time needed to fix the disatrous D, get F re-connected, get Bob out of his funk, get new coaching systems in place.

So much of the booing is the fact that .643 the rest of the way to get to 94 points (which might not be enough anyway) is a tall order for any team - and appears to be an unfillable order for this team. At least for now, it looks months away from being competitive. I keep telling myself that if they were 6-6-0, that they would be Ok, and that 2-10-0 is "only" 4 games/8 pts, from being on the fringe of playoff race. I am usually the eternal optimist...but i don't see this year getting turned around, and that makes another 70 games of at first uncompetitive and then later meaningless hockey, more than some (I) can take. I can stop buying tickets...next year. I can stop going the remainder of this year after having plunked down $x for 41 games of entertainment - and other than game 1, this has not been entertaining either, unless one finds tragedies as entertainment (Shakespeare in the house). Or I can continue on, hoping for the corner to be turned and voicing my displeasure when there is lack of perceived effort or lack of system, if for no other reason than to keep my sanity. This isn't a 12-game train-wreck, it has been 15 years in the making. And the continuation of the train wreck, just as it appeared that the corner may have been turned with only a missing piece or two, only exacerbates the angst. Because as I see it (with some agreement from some posters), at the moment there are at least 3 missing D pieces, a G piece that either gets his head back together or we are starting over there, and possibly 3-5 missing F pieces (whether due to bad contracts, bad play, whatever). That is not a team on the cusp, that is a roster with loads of work to do, probably 3 years.

So excuse me while I boo for a few games - at some point I will start looking for the improvement and effort. But not yet...right now I have the right and probably the need to voice unhappiness (bordering on anger). Not at any one particular thing, just at the overall dumpster fire this so quickly became, with even Torts suggesting that the end is not here yet. When they play hard, when they execute, when they don't play scared (Friday in Washington had some of that), I will sit quietly while they grow and cheer the good moments. When they play as they did Saturday, including Bob, then I will voice displeasure. Without 6,000 like me, the place is empty, and then you've got no franchise at all. So be glad that the fanbase still cares as much as it does - whether some of it sits quietly waiting for change or whether some of it boos during that period. Both are ok to do, so long as fans keep going.

 

[JacketsDavid]

I don't control others so if they boo whatever. But I do know for a fact it doesn't help, it actually hurts the team. The road team feeds off the boo's more than the team getting boo'd.

So how do you feel about the 2014-15 Jackets being 23-15-3 on the road and 19-20-2 on the road? Just the facts please since you know for a fact that booing hurts home team performance (that is a pretty tough thing to know as a fact, but maybe you found something).
I'm interested to see if own fans suck and continue to pull the team down, etc.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

So how do you feel about the 2014-15 Jackets being 23-15-3 on the road and 19-20-2 on the road? Just the facts please since you know for a fact that booing hurts home team performance (that is a pretty tough thing to know as a fact, but maybe you found something).
I'm interested to see if own fans suck and continue to pull the team down, etc.

I think nothing of it. Road games and home games are for the same amount of points. You won't make the playoffs unless you win plenty of both. It's supposed to be easier to play at home, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

By fact, I mean from personal experience as well as logic. I played high school football and (unfortunately) I have been on both sides of the spectrum. Obviously its just high school and not the pro's, but if we ever got another team boo'd by their own fans, we fed off that and used it as a rallying point to keep going. Once again it's just high school, and it could have just been us, but I can't imagine pro's on the other team don't at least feed off this. I'm a season ticket holder for the jackets, I don't boo, I only cheer, and if the team sucks I'm usually quiet. The fans here don't suck, far from it, but the fans booing the team isn't helping them. I'm not judging the people that boo, you paid your money do what you want I don't control you, that's just how it is.

 

[thebus2288*]

I hope nobody directed any boo's at any sick and/or tired players. If you did, you should be ashamed.

Am I allowed to consider Dubi our #1 center again.... yet?

McElhinney should start the next 2 at least.

 

[Doug19]

I hope nobody directed any boo's at any sick and/or tired players. If you did, you should be ashamed.

Am I allowed to consider Dubi our #1 center again.... yet?

McElhinney should start the next 2 at least.

Sure, go ahead and consider whoever, whatever you want.

 

[MAHJ71]

I hope nobody directed any boo's at any sick and/or tired players. If you did, you should be ashamed.

Am I allowed to consider Dubi our #1 center again.... yet?

McElhinney should start the next 2 at least.

Right now he sure is playing like it.. (Dubi)

 

[JacketsDavid]

I think nothing of it. Road games and home games are for the same amount of points. You won't make the playoffs unless you win plenty of both. It's supposed to be easier to play at home, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

By fact, I mean from personal experience as well as logic. I played high school football and (unfortunately) I have been on both sides of the spectrum. Obviously its just high school and not the pro's, but if we ever got another team boo'd by their own fans, we fed off that and used it as a rallying point to keep going. Once again it's just high school, and it could have just been us, but I can't imagine pro's on the other team don't at least feed off this. I'm a season ticket holder for the jackets, I don't boo, I only cheer, and if the team sucks I'm usually quiet. The fans here don't suck, far from it, but the fans booing the team isn't helping them. I'm not judging the people that boo, you paid your money do what you want I don't control you, that's just how it is.

So last year the cheers and boos didn't effect the team but this year it is?
I'm a STH as well. I cheer good play, remain silent when we play hard and fail but I boo when the effort isn't there. We're different I agree.
Just like 12 years ago this team is "fragile". We've never fixed that for an extended period of time (multiple years).

 

[Nordique]

I don't boo, but you pay to come to the game, pay to keep the lights on, pay to keep Jarmo and JD employed, and the players paid, you get to boo or cheer as you please.

If you are bad, you get booed, and we are really bad right now.

 

[213 Sentinel]

Booing a 4 min PP when the puck never enters the O-zone in our control, after this 12-game mess following the hype...what did anyone expect?

Sorry, don't understand the concern with booing at this point. If CBJ was competitive in a general sense, I wouldn't boo, wouldn't expect others to boo, but to each their own. If CBJ was "starting over" and this was growing pains, then that is a different story.

But CBJ not just 2-10-0; they are 0-5-0 in their own barn. Late goal with G pulled like Saturday make score look closer than it was --- other than a few games CBJ have NOT LOOKED COMPETITIVE, and the GF/GA is clearest barometer of that. Worse, there are no signs that they will be competitive for a while....too much time needed to fix the disatrous D, get F re-connected, get Bob out of his funk, get new coaching systems in place.

So much of the booing is the fact that .643 the rest of the way to get to 94 points (which might not be enough anyway) is a tall order for any team - and appears to be an unfillable order for this team. At least for now, it looks months away from being competitive. I keep telling myself that if they were 6-6-0, that they would be Ok, and that 2-10-0 is "only" 4 games/8 pts, from being on the fringe of playoff race. I am usually the eternal optimist...but i don't see this year getting turned around, and that makes another 70 games of at first uncompetitive and then later meaningless hockey, more than some (I) can take. I can stop buying tickets...next year. I can stop going the remainder of this year after having plunked down $x for 41 games of entertainment - and other than game 1, this has not been entertaining either, unless one finds tragedies as entertainment (Shakespeare in the house). Or I can continue on, hoping for the corner to be turned and voicing my displeasure when there is lack of perceived effort or lack of system, if for no other reason than to keep my sanity. This isn't a 12-game train-wreck, it has been 15 years in the making. And the continuation of the train wreck, just as it appeared that the corner may have been turned with only a missing piece or two, only exacerbates the angst. Because as I see it (with some agreement from some posters), at the moment there are at least 3 missing D pieces, a G piece that either gets his head back together or we are starting over there, and possibly 3-5 missing F pieces (whether due to bad contracts, bad play, whatever). That is not a team on the cusp, that is a roster with loads of work to do, probably 3 years.

So excuse me while I boo for a few games - at some point I will start looking for the improvement and effort. But not yet...right now I have the right and probably the need to voice unhappiness (bordering on anger). Not at any one particular thing, just at the overall dumpster fire this so quickly became, with even Torts suggesting that the end is not here yet. When they play hard, when they execute, when they don't play scared (Friday in Washington had some of that), I will sit quietly while they grow and cheer the good moments. When they play as they did Saturday, including Bob, then I will voice displeasure. Without 6,000 like me, the place is empty, and then you've got no franchise at all. So be glad that the fanbase still cares as much as it does - whether some of it sits quietly waiting for change or whether some of it boos during that period. Both are ok to do, so long as fans keep going.