GDT: Game 12: Columbus vs. Winnipeg | 10/31 7PM EDT

[Derby]

Lots of sanctimonious drivel in here.

These are professional athletes and they will be booed. It's a fact of life. They are being paid a healthy sum to deal with it. So, deal with it. We're not talking college or high school athletes here. Yes, they're human, but again, they make a lot of money to help soothe their bruised egos.

Continued, unabated, constant and massive losses lead to boos, regardless if it looks like they are trying. As has been said elsewhere, this is tame compared to what a 2-10-0 record would produce in many other NHL cities. Heck, we haven't even had a fan throw a jersey on the ice yet!

Sanctimonious? Whatever.

Booing is counterproductive to what I as a fan want from my team. Boos do not motivate them to do better. Do you really think they don't understand the fans, the city, the management, and their teammates are dissatisfied with the product? Boos seem an immature response and ineffective as well.

To each their own. I just understand what Murray is saying.

 

[We Want Ten]

Booing is what immature and/or stupid people do. I have never gone to a game and booed the home team.

I like that Murray spoke out because it tells me he gets it - the team needs support even if they don't deserve it. It is how a proper fan picks up their team.

If you can't bring yourself to rally the troops then the next best option is to go home until you are ready to come back and support the team.

LOL wtf is this? Only a real moron would continue to pay the prices these clowns ask for and not voice their opinion when the product stinks. This holier than thou diatribe is hilarious though.

This team has had support for 15 years its time they do something with it.

 

[DJA]

Sanctimonious? Whatever.

Booing is counterproductive to what I as a fan want from my team. Boos do not motivate them to do better. Do you really think they don't understand the fans, the city, the management, and their teammates are dissatisfied with the product? Boos seem an immature response and ineffective as well.

To each their own. I just understand what Murray is saying.

I don't care about it motivating them to do better. I want them to hear my displeasure.

As a fan you have 2 ways to express displeasure:

- Boo
- Don't pay for tickets and stay home

Our fans are simply exercising both options at this point.

Torts seems to think it's deserved, as well.

 

[PanniniClaus]

LOL wtf is this? Only a real moron would continue to pay the prices these clowns ask for and not voice their opinion when the product stinks. This holier than thou diatribe is hilarious though.

This team has had support for 15 years its time they do something with it.

Don't pay and stay home. You are not needed. This has nothing to do with Columbus - could be any city and any level in any sport.

If you don't like the product don't buy it.

 

[DJA]

Don't pay and stay home. You are not needed. This has nothing to do with Columbus - could be any city and any level in any sport.

If you don't like the product don't buy it.

Riiiiiight, this team doesn't need paying fans. Sure.

 

[We Want Ten]

Don't pay and stay home. You are not needed. This has nothing to do with Columbus - could be any city and any level in any sport.

If you don't like the product don't buy it.

That is an option. But that's not supporting the team. I choose to go because I have hope they will be better. I've had this hope for many years.

I will add that I boo very seldomly, and when I do I am booing because I hope someone in a suit sitting in the teams box hears it and recognizes their product sucks.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Riiiiiight, this team doesn't need paying fans. Sure.

The business needs paying fans but the business does not play the games. Humans play the games and if you want them to turn it around there needs to be positive energy or at least something neutral.

Booing is not new... I landed in Toronto last year during the "no salute" period after some rough rides the Leafs got from the fans.

I was one of the few people in the building during the World Cup of 96 to try and rally Canada at the Molson center. No one quits on their team like a Canadians fan.

If a person really examined their behavior - perhaps watched a video of themselves booing. I am sure one would feel a little foolish.

 

[CBJRedman]

Don't pay and stay home. You are not needed. This has nothing to do with Columbus - could be any city and any level in any sport.

If you don't like the product don't buy it.

So I bought season tickets. I've already spent the money. Complaining to my ticket rep won't help. I can't get a refund. I can't resell them at face value. I go to the games. I applaud the team when they give me reasons too. I boo the team when they give me a reason too. I used to not boo the team. After so many years of the same crap, I now boo.

 

[CharlotteJacket]

As bad as we are, Toronto and Anaheim only have one win this season. The Leafs were expected to be bad, but the Ducks were like the Jackets and talked about as being one of their conferences challengers.

 

[Eikka]

The players are high paid professionals who should execute as professionals but at the same time many of them are young and inexperienced guys playing under pressure they aren't used to. I mean look at the contrast to Scotty Hartnell. Scotty is a friggin beauty marinated in over 1000 NHL games and almost 100 playoff games. He doesn't care. He goes there and delivers night in and night out.

In someway, I understand the booing. If a fan invests thousands of dollars on a product and that product doesn't meet the expectations the marketing and advertising created, that paying customer is entitled to give feedback to the organization that sold the product. Now if the players take the booing personally, that's a bad thing. It can put even more pressure on them and they are even more afraid to lose and therefore even more afraid to play the game. This is a messy situation.

IMO they need to play like they did on the road. Defense first and protecting the net. Then start slowly adding more offense to it, piece by piece.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

As bad as we are, Toronto and Anaheim only have one win this season. The Leafs were expected to be bad, but the Ducks were like the Jackets and talked about as being one of their conferences challengers.

Anaheim has actually done stuff in the playoffs. I am really hoping the talking heads don't talk this team up anymore in the future until we actually make some noise in the playoffs. I think the FO was overconfident heading into the start of the season

 

[PanniniClaus]

So I bought season tickets. I've already spent the money. Complaining to my ticket rep won't help. I can't get a refund. I can't resell them at face value. I go to the games. I applaud the team when they give me reasons too. I boo the team when they give me a reason too. I used to not boo the team. After so many years of the same crap, I now boo.

Well i have never owned season tickets. Don't live close enough to a professional sports city.

I suppose if anyone has a right to boo it is a season ticket holder but i just don't see how it is beneficial in anyway. Will JD and Jarmo be swayed by booing? I doubt they will retire to their chambers with a brandy and a cigar and fret over someone booing. They see the product, they have statistical analysis and video.

You don't have enough talent on the blueline, their is little chemistry up front and you Vezina trophy winner is not stealing games. Boo away

 

[We Want Ten]

Well i have never owned season tickets. Don't live close enough to a professional sports city.

I suppose if anyone has a right to boo it is a season ticket holder but i just don't see how it is beneficial in anyway. Will JD and Jarmo be swayed by booing? I doubt they will retire to their chambers with a brandy and a cigar and fret over someone booing. They see the product, they have statistical analysis and video.

You don't have enough talent on the blueline, their is little chemistry up front and you Vezina trophy winner is not stealing games. Boo away

Yet the players sulk and suffer because of it? Which is it.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Yet the players sulk and suffer because of it? Which is it.

The point i am making is that it negatively impacts the emotion in the building (hurting the players) and the people you are trying to convince to make changes by booing will not be swayed by a few boos. They will have other ways to evaluate players and coaches rather than a "boo" meter.

Any time i am in a building and see/hear people booing, i feel sorry for those sitting with them.

 

[EspenK]

This whole booing thing affecting the players reminds me of the discussion about last year's winning streak setting the stage for a deep playoff run this year. Both are pretty much nonsense. The team sucked well before the booing started. The booing is the result not the cause. Players want the booing to stop? Go back to playing like they did during March and April. I guarantee it will stop.

 

[EDM]

With the cost of season tickets, every STH has a right to boo what is happening on the ice now. For the life of me, I cannot understand who it has gotten this bad with this lineup.

 

[Jive Pawnbroker]

We're actually having a debate about booing. Really.

A team as underachieving as this one deserves no breaks from its fans.

As for Murray; if hearing boos doesn't motivate you to do better, then perhaps you should have become an accountant instead of a professional athlete.

 

[pete goegan]

I rarely boo, but I don't tell others what to do. The only time I've ever booed a player on "my team" was when Dave Winfield joined the Tribe. If you're old enough to remember OSU/Minnesota '72, you know why.

 

[NotWendell]

We're actually having a debate about booing. Really.

A team as underachieving as this one deserves no breaks from its fans.

As for Murray; if hearing boos doesn't motivate you to do better, then perhaps you should have become an accountant instead of a professional athlete.

If I get audited because of his poor performance, I assure he's gonna get a lot more than booing from me!

 

[Fred Glover]

As a partial STH for both the Browns and the CBJ, I find the pontificating against booing by some as down right laughable. I don't boo, but I am amazed by those on these boards who can actually get into the mind of another fan and understand why they are booing without even asking the one who is doing the booing! Are they booing the overall product, the officiating, a player, effort, result, the coaching, strategy, or front office? Or maybe it is a combination of each?

If you pay good money for a ticket, you have every right to voice your pleasure or displeasure.

So, if you see something you don't like, and aren't able to express your voice by booing, what is an acceptable alternative? If you paid good money, why would you leave early? You can, you have every right to, but what if you decide to stay and see the the whole 60 minutes you paid to see? Then what? Would you expect someone to offer a round of applause instead of booing? What is acceptable by the politically correct police who find booing offensive?

 

[db2011]

I don't get how there can be an agreed-upon need to get rid of the "country club" culture coexisting with criticism of people who boo. You want an easy job? Go to Columbus, where you can get 4 out of a possible 24 points but people will tell others not to boo ya.

I don't boo, but I'd never tell someone else not to. This is pitiful!

 

[JacketsDavid]

Booing is what immature and/or stupid people do. I have never gone to a game and booed the home team.

I like that Murray spoke out because it tells me he gets it - the team needs support even if they don't deserve it. It is how a proper fan picks up their team.

If you can't bring yourself to rally the troops then the next best option is to go home until you are ready to come back and support the team.

Listen I pay good money to be entertained. Obviously I'm not as smart as you because I boo.

But go ahead and cheer the crappy product we have. For me I'll give my feedback in my way - it would be different if it was season 1 of the CBJ - there I understood we didn't have the talent and cheered effort without results. Right now we have too much talent that isn't performing and many of those guys don't appear to even be playing hard. That's ok by you - I understand it. You're a sheep, while I'm just stupid. To each their own.

 

[Fro]

So I bought season tickets. I've already spent the money. Complaining to my ticket rep won't help. I can't get a refund. I can't resell them at face value. I go to the games. I applaud the team when they give me reasons too. I boo the team when they give me a reason too. I used to not boo the team. After so many years of the same crap, I now boo.

this!

 

[major major]

I've never told anyone to boo or not boo.

I have criticized those who think that they're helping something by booing. Folks should understand the difference between those two things.

I don't get how there can be an agreed-upon need to get rid of the "country club" culture coexisting with criticism of people who boo.

You seriously can't imagine a way those two views can coexist? Not a single way? Can you imagine that someone might find booing to be an ineffective way to improve play?

Let's take a look at a few assumptions that have crept into this debate:

1) The assumption that this club has a "country club atmosphere". The way this club played in 2013 alone belies the assumption that we still have a "country club atmosphere". This was the hardest hitting team in the league for a couple years. It is also, with the exception of Jared Boll, fully turned over since the country club era. The fans are much more familiar with that era than the players are.

2) The assumption that certain fans have more desire for the Jackets to win than the actual players do. This isn't possible. We can go to work or some other hobby and forget about the Jackets. The actual Jackets can't do that. They are leaving and breathing their own incompetence.

3) The assumption that the fans can somehow transmit their desire to the players by booing at them. I've already addressed this point ad nauseam.

 

[major major]

Your friend is getting his ass kicked. And you're very upset about this. You somehow come to believe that he's responsible for getting his ass kicked because he doesn't want to win as much as you do. So you go and punch your friend in the head. Good job! Accountability!

Seriously, if you are that upset with what has transpired with this team (and you really really should be), you should come together to protest Jarmo or the FO in general. Booing the players on the ice is counterproductive if what you're really interested in doing is communicating to the FO.