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CBJWerenski8 said:
I was worried about it, and I debated it with others (and myself), but they should have kept Bjorkstrand over Laine.

Laine isn’t a very good hockey player. He’s a fantastic shooter and offensive weapon, with an ability to backcheck, but that’s it. He and Gaudreau have no chemistry. And that’s not likely to change.

Bjorkstrand, not as dangerous in the OZ, is still a good player in his own right. He would have been a perfect fit with Gaudreau considering he would have battled for pucks and got them to Johnny.

I was uneasy but optimistic about Laine. And I don’t think he’s been bad, but he’s more of the same of what we already have (soft, no defense, no checking) with an excellent shot.

Johnny has to be so disappointed in his decision.
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I doubt Johnny is disappointed. Hockey is a side thing to him now. He's set for life and moved from a successful team offered more money to make less and be close to his wife and kid.

It was clear in interviews hockey is secondary to him now and his effort level was going to go down
 
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That goaltending is seriously eating away the team.

Lot of concerns for the future that need answers.

- Goaltending, who’s supposed to be good enough when the team is supposed to be hood enough
- coaching, same as the previous. Do they have a good enough coach
- C, who’s going to be the 1C when the team is ready. Right now they have the worst 1-2C duo in about every game except games against Arizona.
Johnson has the highest ceiling but how they’ll handle his development?
-(lack of development in Sillingers game)

Right now the season is going about as bad as possible. Getting zero answers to the questions above.
 
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Farmboy Patty said:
I get the frustration and disappointment with how the team is doing, but replacing Laine with Bjorkstrand this season wouldn’t move the needle one bit. This team is disorganized, have no battle level, and IMO everything points to the coaching not being up to snuff. Sure, the roster is not the best in the league, but I think a better/more experienced HC could get a lot more of this group of players.
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I can't believe the people who cling to Bjorkstrand like he was a future hall of famer.

There is too much talent on the roster to play this sh*tty. This team was sh*tty when Laine was hurt. It's still sh^tty with him playing. Everyone wants a scapegoat.
 
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CBJWerenski8 said:
Maybe not, but at least I would watch Bjorkstrand and see a player who wants to make a difference.
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Laine will always rub folks who appreciate the hustle and looking busy the wrong way, more than the actual results. What matters in the end is the scoreboard, and Laine will most probably have outscored Björk quite handily by the time their NHL careers are over.
 
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Farmboy Patty said:
I get the frustration and disappointment with how the team is doing, but replacing Laine with Bjorkstrand this season wouldn’t move the needle one bit. This team is disorganized, have no battle level, and IMO everything points to the coaching not being up to snuff. Sure, the roster is not the best in the league, but I think a better/more experienced HC could get a lot more of this group of players.
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While the coaching may or may not be up to snuff, it seems there is zero leadership coming from any of the players. You just had your goalie call out players, then you have the media guys trying to get the players to throw thier goalie under the bus. There is more going on than just bad coaching.

I agree that keeping Bjorkstrand instead of Laine may not change anything, but as someone who thought Laine should have been traded instead, it was purely because I think they may have got a better return than they did by dumping Bjork. They may or may not have. Signing him for 4 years when you're retooling or rebuilding doesn't make sense if it takes 3-4 years to open a playoff window. Because as soon as it opens you are looking at having to re-sign him to make your run and he may be ready to move on by then after being here close to six seasons.
 
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Iron Balls McGinty said:
I can't believe the people who cling to Bjorkstrand like he was a future hall of famer.

There is too much talent on the roster to play this sh*tty. This team was sh*tty when Laine was hurt. It's still sh^tty with him playing. Everyone wants a scapegoat.
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It is so frustrating to watch that you have to take it on someone. My target is Larsen, since the whole F-G team is playing like crap.

Monstershockey said:
While the coaching may or may not be up to snuff, it seems there is zero leadership coming from any of the players. You just had your goalie call out players, then you have the media guys trying to get the players to throw thier goalie under the bus. There is more going on than just bad coaching.

I agree that keeping Bjorkstrand instead of Laine may not change anything, but as someone who thought Laine should have been traded instead, it was purely because I think they may have got a better return than they did by dumping Bjork. They may or may not have. Signing him for 4 years when you're retooling or rebuilding doesn't make sense if it takes 3-4 years to open a playoff window. Because as soon as it opens you are looking at having to re-sign him to make your run and he may be ready to move on by then after being here close to six seasons.
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It shouldn’t take 3-4 years with the talent and pipeline that the team has. It’s a retooling, and getting the right HC is part of that.
 
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NotWendell said:
Let's be honest for a second. Bjork was a passenger for much of the middle of the season last year. I highly doubt it would have been any different this season.
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What is Laine doing?

Even if he was a “passenger” (which I disagree with) he would be a far less expensive “passenger” and able to contribute in other ways (puck battles, PK, etc).
 
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CBJWerenski8 said:
What is Laine doing?

Even if he was a “passenger” (which I disagree with) he would be a far less expensive “passenger” and able to contribute in other ways (puck battles, PK, etc).
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I agree with you that BOTH players would be scoring at the same level on this team at this point in the season.
 
CBJWerenski8 said:
What is Laine doing?

Even if he was a “passenger” (which I disagree with) he would be a far less expensive “passenger” and able to contribute in other ways (puck battles, PK, etc).
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Since when did Bjorkie play PK and win pucks on a regular basis?
 
VT said:
Is it a joke? I understand, you likes Bjork but it's too much.
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no, I’m not joking. I don’t believe Laine is a very good hockey player.

Being an amazing shot with good puck skills doesn’t make you a good player. He’s a weapon. But not a great player
 
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VT said:
Since when did Bjorkie play PK and win pucks on a regular basis?
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He’s won puck battles his entire career. I believe he started playing PK during the covid shortened year and was on the second unit since. I have no idea if he’s on the Seattle PK
 
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VT said:
Just because he played an all-around game this season doesn't mean anything? He can play under pressure, which he showed in the part I saw. Last season it was the Nyquist -- Jenner -- Laine line that gave us a chance to play in the PO. He had stats like Matthews and Marner in many games.
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Respectfully, I would take both players over Laine without much consideration.

I advocated for keeping Laine after his disaster inauguration season here. I wanted us to sign him. And there is still 90% of the season for him to turn it around. But my fears of him and Gaudreau not clicking are now reality. It’s not working, and I have to blame Laine for that
 
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This thread is hilarious … yes we suck because we are missing Bjorkstrand who has 1g in 10 games with Seattle. Laine who was near a point per game player last season now sucks , 2 games off the injury list . Clearly there is a system issue going on.. regardless, this isn’t and wasn’t a playoff contender. Best thing that can happen to this franchise is to secure a top 3 pick in this upcoming draft. Our defense is probably the worst in the league , we lack a #1 and #2 Center .
 
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CBJWerenski8 said:
Respectfully, I would take both players over Laine without much consideration.

I advocated for keeping Laine after his disaster inauguration season here. I wanted us to sign him. And there is still 90% of the season for him to turn it around. But my fears of him and Gaudreau not clicking are now reality. It’s not working, and I have to blame Laine for thst.
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I think the problem is in the center. Roslovic is more of a winger who likes the puck. Boone shoots the puck to OZ, he can't play combinations. In preseason Johnson had great chemistry with them. But I can bet you next game he'll be on the wing again. Because Lars.
Btw, Gaudreau played with Lindholm in Calgary and I said him and not Johnny was the most important.
 
CBJWerenski8 said:
Respectfully, I would take both players over Laine without much consideration.

I advocated for keeping Laine after his disaster inauguration season here. I wanted us to sign him. And there is still 90% of the season for him to turn it around. But my fears of him and Gaudreau not clicking are now reality. It’s not working, and I have to blame Laine for that
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How about blaming the entire team looking like garbage?

Is it Laines fault the entire team looks out of sync, is it Laines fault that they can’t get a save, is it Laines fault the 1C is either Jenner or Roslovic?

Sure I want Laine to play better and he’s shown he can’t be the guy on a team but damm there’s lot of major issues going on and to blame it all on Laine feels weak
 
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Double-Shift Lasse said:
There are some SOJ things happening with this team but there are some new things about this group too and most of them aren’t good.
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People have invoked SOJ plenty of times in the last ten years, the first eight years of which were teams (under Richards and Torts) that made the playoffs a good number of times and played a hardworking style with strong defense and goaltending, a lot of physicality and heart.

I'd love to have that SOJ. This is team not enough same old Jackets (NESOJ).
 
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BB88 said:
How about blaming the entire team looking like garbage?

Is it Laines fault the entire team looks out of sync, is it Laines fault that they can’t get a save, is it Laines fault the 1C is either Jenner or Roslovic?

Sure I want Laine to play better and he’s shown he can’t be the guy on a team but damm there’s lot of major issues going on and to blame it all on Laine feels weak
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No. It’s not Laine’s fault the team blows

But it might be Laine’s fault that Gaudreau looks lethargic and not elite. He looked fine without him
 
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