GDT: Game 1: Red Wings vs penguins 8:00 pm et 10/10/24

[The Red Line]

Teams all over the league toss kids that can score and not much else into their scoring lines. Hard to prove much of anything if the bulk of your NHL experience is with Veleno and Czarnik. And he scored 15 goals in such a deployment. He could easily drop 20g 30p this season with 2nd line PP2 icetime. But he's gotta be a grinder first...

20 goals and 30 points would be awful production if he was on the second line and the PP. All of the other players in the top 6 significantly out scored that margin last season.

I’m all for giving a kid opportunities to succeed but not that expense of legitimately better players, especially when Berggren doesn’t bring anything else to the role besides (theoretical) offense.

 

[norrisnick]

How many standings points do rookie games count for?

Experience seems to matter more than anything. So knocking out rookie games and getting experience should count for a lot, right?

 

[jaster]

Maybe let them create one before judging. I mean that's pretty the job Veleno and Berggren have this season. Prove they have something to bring to the lineup that make them valuable over Kasper, Mazur, Danielson etc. breathing down their necks.
It's a spare parts line because none of them are going to get a free ride to playing 82 games. Prove it or lose it.

"Identity" is just one way to look at it. Fine, let them try to create an identity I guess. But in the more tangible short-term, what is this line? What are they supposed to do? What is their assignment out there? What's their deployment? The NHL isn't just 'make some lines and toss them out there.' Every line must have a purpose. It's clear what that is for the top 3 lines. This one though is...

 

[SirloinUB]

Experience seems to matter more than anything. So knocking out rookie games and getting experience should count for a lot, right?

5 players under the age of 21 can still gain some experience and learn the pro game while maturing in the AHL. There is lots of time to integrate these kids on to the NHL roster. Their whole future is still ahead of them.

 

[FabricDetails]

Let's goooooooo!!!!!

 

[DatsDeking]

My issue with that 4th line is that it has zero identity.

Berg-Veleno-Ras
Motte-Copp-Fisher

At least that sort of makes sense. You have a shutdown line and maybe one with a little more offensive potential. Would prefer Kasper centering that line, but as he's not there, I could live with this. Depending on if we need D or Offensive the ensuing line plays more.

Our current 4th line very much screams spare parts.

With that said I'm expecting a total jumble within 10 games as I don't see this current forward lineup working well overall unless the DBC-Larkin-Raymond line starts scoring at a crazy pace. Tank doesn't have a great history at LW and that 2nd line only works if he and Kane click.

That’s been my issue with the Berg-Veleno line too. I’ve been treating our Ras-Copp-Fischer line as our de facto fourth line shut down line but then that just leaves us with a pretty lame third line.

 

[RedHawkDown]

How many standings points do rookie games count for?

They count for future standings points whereby those rookies get to actually improve and gain experience and make your team better in the future, as opposed to Fischer, Motte, Andrew Copp, Justin Holl, Jeff Petry, etc who will all be gone in a few years

It always amazes me how many people here believe the wings specifically have the secret sauce for success compared to every other team in the. NHL.

 

[SirloinUB]

They count for future standings points whereby those rookies get to actually improve and gain experience and make your team better in the future, as opposed to Fischer, Motte, Andrew Copp, Justin Holl, Jeff Petry, etc who will all be gone in a few years

It always amazes me how many people here believe the wings specifically have the secret sauce for success compared to every other team in the. NHL.

It always amazes me how many people believe players can't develop in the AHL and take the night 1 lineup as the definitive unchangeable lineup for the following 81 games.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I don't like the lineup. Blashill's teams were so bad I'm not sure I cared what his lines were, but I miss the days of Babcock and Bowman where the lines at least made some sense. We might have had our pet causes where we wanted this or that player to get more ice time, but where they put guys you got the reasoning behind it. I might just be entirely wrong and these lanes will be great, but if they're not I don't have faith in Lalonde changing them.

Hatred for our lineups is almost a Pavlovian response at this point. I am going to start keeping track just to prove that people will bitch about the lineups no matter what form they take. Honestly, the titanic just does not have that many deck chairs at this point.

 

[kook10]

Let's, like, f***ing go, Man!

 

[Henkka]

Yeah, let's f***ing go so this off-season non-sense will finally end.

People are clearly losing their minds on these long non-playoff summers. We need some playoff hockey to shorten those damn summers, which were much shorter in our glory years.

Drop that damn puck!

 

[dalem177]

"In late 1803 the Lewis and Clark expedition got its start in Pittsburgh with the purchase by Lewis of a keelboat, supplies, and a Newfoundland dog named Seaman. By May a year later they were on the doorstep of the Louisiana Purchase and poling their way up the Missouri. Tonight, two hundred and twenty-one years later, the Red wings are also starting a journey via Pittsburgh that they hope to finish sometime towards the middle of next year. A journey that fans hope doesn't end with a boat on a river or even a girl with kaleidoscope eyes, but rather with an exploration of someplace this team hasn't seen in quite a few years - the Stanley Cup Playoffs."

- Plausible Keats

 

[theYman]

Well I hope Husso is comin back to form. Not sure why we're not starting Talbot but whatever. Kinda bummed Kasper isn't on the team still. I mean when is he ready for Yzerman? Man

 

[jkutswings]

You think that we’ll “never know” whether Jon Berggren is a better hockey player than Patrick Kane, Lucas Raymond, Vlad Tarasenko, and Alex DeBrincat?

It's like the number of licks it takes to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop.

 

[SantosHalper]

Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages...... Hockey is back!

L"F"GRW

All Grit Everything.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

I'll be there tonight, I'm sure in a foul mood

 

[RedHawkDown]

It always amazes me how many people believe players can't develop in the AHL and take the night 1 lineup as the definitive unchangeable lineup for the following 81 games.

I did none of that. You put all those words in my mouth. I expressed discontent with the choices for the roster and I will hope the roster is modified quickly to allow for the rookies to play where I feel they deserve.

AHL is a great league and hopefully Kasper can build his offence really well down there now. Great place for Danielson for this year.

Not a lot of room for nuance with yall eh

 

[FabricDetails]

Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages...... Hockey is back!

L"F"GRW

All Grit Everything.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Well I hope Husso is comin back to form. Not sure why we're not starting Talbot but whatever. Kinda bummed Kasper isn't on the team still. I mean when is he ready for Yzerman? Man

Careful, thinking this apparently means you think the AHL is a useless league and rosters never change

 

[lilidk]

After 0:6 from last night, I expect angry Pittsburgh team team and possibly fight, maybe Crosby vs Raymond, anyway, expecting intense game

 

[kook10]

I'll be there tonight, I'm sure in a foul mood

hot piss hockey for hot piss fans! LFGRW!

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

Not much surprising or controversial about the projected lines. Their six most talented forwards are on the top two lines, their best checking/matchup line last season returns intact. Motte-Veleno is a natural pair with defensive accountability and with Berggren it's also a fast line that can be disruptive. and create the odd chance. It's up to them to create a useful identity and that is going to need a bit of time. The D pairs are entirely predictable. Husso's a bit of a surprise, but he's been fine in preseason and probably the most important of the three to figure out for possible trade purposes. People get caught up in relying on labels like the line numbers. A good matchup line is never the fourth line in terms of usage, because it's going to be out vs. top six lines as much as possible, especially in home games.

 

[Frk It]

Maybe let them create one before judging. I mean that's pretty the job Veleno and Berggren have this season. Prove they have something to bring to the lineup that make them valuable over Kasper, Mazur, Danielson etc. breathing down their necks.
It's a spare parts line because none of them are going to get a free ride to playing 82 games. Prove it or lose it.

Ya'll need to watch some highlights of the end of last season and get some optimism into your lives

 

[DoMakc]

Not much surprising or controversial about the projected lines. Their six most talented forwards are on the top two lines, their best checking/matchup line last season returns intact. Motte-Veleno is a natural pair with defensive accountability and with Berggren it's also a fast line that can be disruptive. and create the odd chance. It's up to them to create a useful identity and that is going to need a bit of time. The D pairs are entirely predictable. Husso's a bit of a surprise, but he's been fine in preseason and probably the most important of the three to figure out for possible trade purposes. People get caught up in relying on labels like the line numbers. A good matchup line is never the fourth line in terms of usage, because it's going to be out vs. top six lines as much as possible, especially in home games.

I think the controversial is actually the lack of surprise. You know, playing three natural RW on their preferred side, play Johansson instead of know evil. I actually like Lalonde and like hockey he prefers his team to play, but lack of balls is rather disappointing.

 

[ricky0034]

That will remind me of Tampa Bay Lightning somewhere at 2013.

What a disaster team it was later on.

you mean the Tampa Bay Lightning that did this in a lockout shortened season?

or by 2013 did you mean the next year in 2013-14?