Game 1: Lost Angeles Kings 1 @ Those Guys 2

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Just look inside the division. Edmonton/Calgary/SJ/Anaheim all have gotten more skilled and faster in the last couple of seasons. Kings have regressed. Kings have too many pylons out there and it shows.

Yah, I don't think the Kings have ever been a fast team but everyone else in the division has gotten faster and more skilled.
 
There are cap realities that eventually no team can get around.

Of course, King and Clifford aren't being used as Lucic's replacement to start with. Sutter and Lombardi are dumb, but they're not at the point where they're looking at those two as 20 goal guys. Taylor wasn't that big of an idiot either. I doubt he actually believed Johnson or Rasmussen would ever be able to do what Deadmarsh did.

It's more of a reflection of their piss poor decision making in trading 1sts, drafting and development of players.

The last top six forward this team drafted was in 2010! And before Toffoli, how much further do we go back? Kopitar? Pearson is bordering on that line, but you get the point.

Of course they didn't plan on having guys like King or Lewis as top six options, but the lack of depth and no options being available to bring up coupled with the cap situation is all Lombardi's doing.

It's just funny to me how quickly Sutter realized that maybe Brown and Setoguchi aren't really good options to play too line minutes.

Brown's days of being an effective player are sadly over. Setoguchi came in with zero expectations but had to be thrusted into a top spot thanks to Gaborik's injury. If this team had developed any talent, they likely would've started the season as Kopitar's wingers.

And so here we are heading into Game #2 of the season with checking line wingers put in scoring roles. Dean Lombardi isn't going to be pulling a rabbit out of his ass this time like he did in 2012 with Carter or 2014 with Gaborik.

We're back to the Dean Lombardi who'd bring in the likes of Ethan Moreau, Trent Hunter, Scott Thornton, Alyn McCauley, Kyle Calder, Brian Willsie, Raitis Ivanans, etc.
 
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LOL, what?

Comparing Dean Lombardi to Bill Belichick is like comparing Bernie Sanders to Pat Buchanon.

BB has always traded or released players, including veterans who helped him win championships a year before they got bad. Take the case of Wes Welker, BB let him leave, knowing he'd probably go to a conference rival, because he knew he was about to fall off a cliff and he had better players or could have used the money to bring in better players. If Dean were like Belichick he would have traded Richards after 2013, when he still had some value around the league but he was about to fall off the face of the Earth. He would have gotten some young assets and used the money to sign a competent 3C and we still would have won the cup.

You can praise Dean all you want, call him a wizard, a jedi or whatever, but atleast be factual. Dean Lombardi is absolutely nothing like Bill Belichick.

Boy, you are obtuse. Due to the NFL having non guaranteed contracts Bill is able to make such moves. DL simply can't cut players the way Bill can and only eat partial salary (a fraction of it, usually around 20-30%, sometime less). Or do you not understand the dynamic of NFL salary and cap structuring?

Bill has also made key offseason, big-named signings that have both worked (Revis) and not worked (Moss). But again, NFL salary cap is a whole hell of a different animal than the beast that is the NHLs, which makes my declaration of DL as a Jedi more viable.

What I was getting at, what I meant was more in a long term plan of sustainable success, as much as the extreme confines of NHL salary cap allows.

You dimwit.

And **** yeah, a guy that brought us the success he has in as relatively as short a time as he has (in the most extreme cap-enforced league), and under the sustained futility of our franchise prior to such, gets called a Jedi by me.

You still mad that I punked your boy Burns? Herby, let's hold hands.
 
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But Dean had just that opportunity, he had an opportunity to cut a God awful player with zero cap hit, and what did he do? Same thing with Matt Greene. He didn't view Richards as a commodity, he views him as a "son", you think Belichick feels that way about any player (save possibly Brady)

And what sustained success? The Kings had a three year run in 12,13,14 that produced two Cup wins, which is great, take nothing away from Lombardi he made the right moves before that. But the moves since 2014 were not the moves of a man trying for a sustained success. Since 2014 he has been awful, and the Kings are not a contending team, in fact, even before the injury to Quick the Kings were going to struggle to make the playoffs. No depth on the back end, a lack of skill up front, a pitiful bottom 6, very few options in the system.

If the Kings flounder this season and miss the playoffs that would be missed playoffs two of three years and 1 playoff win in three seasons, not exactly sustained success. But we will see, maybe I am wrong about this season, but I said before the year we were one injury to a key player away from picking in the Top 10, and I believe that's what will happen.
 
Herby, you are my friend, now. A little furby. I get lonely but at least I can count on you to make me smile.

And my natty ices. They make me smile.

God, I'm gonna have fun with you.
 
But Dean had just that opportunity, he had an opportunity to cut a God awful player with zero cap hit, and what did he do? Same thing with Matt Greene. He didn't view Richards as a commodity, he views him as a "son", you think Belichick feels that way about any player (save possibly Brady)

And what sustained success? The Kings had a three year run in 12,13,14 that produced two Cup wins, which is great, take nothing away from Lombardi he made the right moves before that. But the moves since 2014 were not the moves of a man trying for a sustained success. Since 2014 he has been awful, and the Kings are not a contending team, in fact, even before the injury to Quick the Kings were going to struggle to make the playoffs. No depth on the back end, a lack of skill up front, a pitiful bottom 6, very few options in the system.

If the Kings flounder this season and miss the playoffs that would be missed playoffs two of three years and 1 playoff win in three seasons, not exactly sustained success. But we will see, maybe I am wrong about this season, but I said before the year we were one injury to a key player away from picking in the Top 10, and I believe that's what will happen.

You want Dean to rattle off 4-5 Stanley Cups in a 10 year span. Would that be what you considered sustained success?

Herb, you rascal, before you answer, realize where I'm going with this, don't walk into my trap.
 
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As with any fan's opinions on a player, that is 'to each his or her own thing'. I understand why an outsider would feel as you do, given maybe you only see him play a handful of games. From his first preseason game vs the Leafs in 9/2011, I've not been a fan. To his credit, he is a very physical player, a big body that hits (although borderline dirty, during last year's playoffs, glenn healy made a video on the Canadian feed, thru the first 5 games of how many times he got away with it, 'leap and lead Schenn', leaps off his skates, leads with an elbow. )

His role on wing will be replaced and on the PP.

Most of his points come from playing with Giroux (38 out Schenn's 59 last yr, came in the last 39 games when he was with Giroux and on the PP, same as Hartnell's 37 goals the yr he played with him. Giroux draws coverage and there is usually an open space around the net)left to his own devices, he can't create much. And more importantly, he was playing for a contract. That 3 and a half months (which one article /analytic s observer noted with charts had an 'unsustainable high shooting %, something that would be very difficult to repeat) doesn't equate the prior 4 and half years.

His play in his own end, poor decision making, turnover machine, etc, won't be missed at all. He's inconsistent for long stretches, lazy too often and lacks the wherewithal to elevate his game in critical times for the most part. WAy too many SOG's, zone time and scoring ops such when he's in his own end. That's lack of IQ and instinct and has not changed in his 5 yrs here. And too many dirty hits.

The FLyers have forwards that can take his place, esp since Hasktol's system is suited to that. Konecky is a far more skilled player and will easily take his place on the PP. Raffl is always good with Giroux. They have 3 lines that drive the play and can create offense.

But there are others love him for the hitting and the body part goals. So it's just a matter of what you like in a player.

Not saying I watch the flyers as much as you but I catch about 50% of their games. I joke that the flyers are my 7th favorite team with LA being teams 1-6.

I like what Schenn brings. I think he is a great 2nd line player who can play top or 3rd line if need be. Can play center if needed too.
 
But Dean had just that opportunity, he had an opportunity to cut a God awful player with zero cap hit, and what did he do? Same thing with Matt Greene. He didn't view Richards as a commodity, he views him as a "son", you think Belichick feels that way about any player (save possibly Brady)

And what sustained success? The Kings had a three year run in 12,13,14 that produced two Cup wins, which is great, take nothing away from Lombardi he made the right moves before that. But the moves since 2014 were not the moves of a man trying for a sustained success. Since 2014 he has been awful, and the Kings are not a contending team, in fact, even before the injury to Quick the Kings were going to struggle to make the playoffs. No depth on the back end, a lack of skill up front, a pitiful bottom 6, very few options in the system.

If the Kings flounder this season and miss the playoffs that would be missed playoffs two of three years and 1 playoff win in three seasons, not exactly sustained success. But we will see, maybe I am wrong about this season, but I said before the year we were one injury to a key player away from picking in the Top 10, and I believe that's what will happen.

After one game this is too much doom and gloom now.

I am going to try and spin this. Ether LA will get healthy and get hot at the right time to get into the playoffs and makes some noise do to striking at the right time, or miss and get a top end pick that half the posters on here have been drooling over.
Win/Win right?
 
After one game this is too much doom and gloom now.

I am going to try and spin this. Ether LA will get healthy and get hot at the right time to get into the playoffs and makes some noise do to striking at the right time, or miss and get a top end pick that half the posters on here have been drooling over.
Win/Win right?

If Quicky isn't out too long, and we get Gabby back when he's scheduled, and of course avoid the dreaded injury bug, we have a team this year, YP. Like you said, we just need to catch lightening at the right time, even if it means going through the dreaded doldrums of Dec/Jan.

And I am going to full-on fight these dudes here that continually use hyperbole and doom and gloom to trash our boys.
 
If Quicky isn't out too long, and we get Gabby back when he's scheduled, and of course avoid the dreaded injury bug, we have a team this year, YP. Like you said, we just need to catch lightening at the right time, even if it means going through the dreaded doldrums of Dec/Jan.

And I am going to full-on fight these dudes here that continually use hyperbole and doom and gloom to trash our boys.

Even if we have an awful start for the first 10 or so games.
Just remember where the Ducks were last year. There would still be time to turn it around.
Not that I want to see that.
 
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Even if we have an awful start for the first 10 or so games.
Just remember where the Ducks were last year. There would still be time to turn it around.
Not that I want to see that.

Completely agree, Tsanuri. Which makes all these knee jerk posts more confounding.

Mind you, there are a lot of good, thought provoking and constructive, yet criticical, posts here. People that use both sides of their brain.
 
If Quicky isn't out too long, and we get Gabby back when he's scheduled, and of course avoid the dreaded injury bug, we have a team this year, YP. Like you said, we just need to catch lightening at the right time, even if it means going through the dreaded doldrums of Dec/Jan.

And I am going to full-on fight these dudes here that continually use hyperbole and doom and gloom to trash our boys.




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Jones has made San Jose a solid team.

They were always good but goal-tending was their Achilles heel in big games.

Kings wont get too many breaks against them anymore.

I don't know why Shore is playing over Dowd or even on the team. Guy will not translate his potential to the NHL and has had a long enough shot at it.

Things will improve with Gabby and Pearson but LA will always be a low scoring team. Is what it is.
 
Kings will be fine. Zatkoff is a fresher player than Quick. Quick has played too many games and is washed up. I wonder if Dallas would swap Quick for Niemi and Klingberg. Kings could add a fifth round pick as a sweetener. A bigger deal with Quick and Martinez could also work for Benn.

Clifford looked really strong last night. The bottom 6 runs through him. I think this is the year he cracks 8 goals. He looked that good.

Gilbert was also a force last night. Great signing. I wish they kept Latta up though. That would have been a great third pairing.

Serious Hockey is back! GKG!
 
Kings will be fine. Zatkoff is a fresher player than Quick. Quick has played too many games and is washed up. I wonder if Dallas would swap Quick for Niemi and Klingberg. Kings could add a fifth round pick as a sweetener. A bigger deal with Quick and Martinez could also work for Benn.

Clifford looked really strong last night. The bottom 6 runs through him. I think this is the year he cracks 8 goals. He looked that good.

Gilbert was also a force last night. Great signing.

Serious Hockey is back! GKG!

Isn't Klingberg all they got going on D though?
 
Kings will be fine. Zatkoff is a fresher player than Quick. Quick has played too many games and is washed up. I wonder if Dallas would swap Quick for Niemi and Klingberg. Kings could add a fifth round pick as a sweetener. A bigger deal with Quick and Martinez could also work for Benn.

Clifford looked really strong last night. The bottom 6 runs through him. I think this is the year he cracks 8 goals. He looked that good.

Gilbert was also a force last night. Great signing.

Serious Hockey is back! GKG!

RP is back!!
 
Jones has made San Jose a solid team.

They were always good but goal-tending was their Achilles heel in big games.

Kings wont get too many breaks against them anymore.

I don't know why Shore is playing over Dowd or even on the team. Guy will not translate his potential to the NHL and has had a long enough shot at it.

Things will improve with Gabby and Pearson but LA will always be a low scoring team. Is what it is.

Popular myth but they've had three better goaltending performances in the last three regular seasons than Jones put up last year as well as a middle of the pack playoff run.

I still cannot figure out for the life of me why people exalt Jones' performances when he put up literally the exact same performance that gets Quick eviscerated on this site. Even in watching him, he's mostly unimpressive and leaves rebounds all over the damn place. The biggest difference between Jones and Niemi is the improved SJ defense in front of the G.

Edit: Saw you said 'in big games' and that I will agree with fully, even if JOnes were completely average (I don't think he is), at least he doesn't fully melt down like Niemi.
 

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