Player Discussion: Gabriel "The Net Front King" Vilardi

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These seem plausible.

Chevy loves to grind the kids, which is a reasonable strategy for a kid like Barron who's just starting to feel his oats, but then we get two relative anchors in Pionk and Schmidt.

By all accounts, and Copp's specifically, arbitration is a road you don't go down lightly. Hoping to see these sorted soon and fairly w/o an arb decision.

As a reminder, this detailed article on the Copp Saga:

But why did it even get to that point? Two years and $2.28 million seems like a very reasonable deal for the 25-year-old forward — no matter which lens you look through. To use Evolving Wild’s frequently cited contract projections, a two-year deal for Copp should have cost Winnipeg $2.20 million per season.

That’s Copp’s eventual arbitration award, nearly on the nose.

To use Winnipeg’s own Adam Lowry as a comparable — a centre with slightly more points per game in his career and a similar reputation for driving play — $2.90 million strikes me as a fair ceiling. A $2.28 million deal for Copp strikes me as entirely reasonable in proportion to his linemate’s same earnings.

For some, the story gets more worrisome. Those who read Craig Custance’s story showing that two-thirds of players who make it to an arbitration hearing get traded within three seasons, it felt like an assurance Copp’s days in Winnipeg are numbered.

It happened to Trouba after all. And if Copp’s good friend followed his arbitration deal through to a trade request and a big-ticket signing with the Rangers, wouldn’t it make sense that Copp would try to follow suit?

Copp says no. In an interview with The Athletic this week, Copp detailed his reasons for choosing arbitration, the agony of feeling “disrespected” during the process, and even some parts of arbitration that flat out made him laugh. For Jets fans, it’s not all roses.

It’s also not something to fea
r.

I think context matters, too. When the Jets were dealing with Trouba and Copp, they were trying to manage a roster that was near the cap, and they were viewing their roster as a contender.

It might be different in an environment where the Jets might have a bit of space under the cap, and might be looking at more of a transitional / evolving phase of the organization.

With Trouba, it made sense to grind through arbitration, because he wasn't wanting to stay long-term and the Jets wanted him at a lower cap hit to help with a couple of playoff runs. Copp might just have been a disagreement about role / value, and trade value. In the end, it worked out really well for the Jets because he pulled very good trade value at his cap hit to the Rangers at the TDL.
 

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I think context matters, too. When the Jets were dealing with Trouba and Copp, they were trying to manage a roster that was near the cap, and they were viewing their roster as a contender.

It might be different in an environment where the Jets might have a bit of space under the cap, and might be looking at more of a transitional / evolving phase of the organization.

With Trouba, it made sense to grind through arbitration, because he wasn't wanting to stay long-term and the Jets wanted him at a lower cap hit to help with a couple of playoff runs. Copp might just have been a disagreement about role / value, and trade value. In the end, it worked out really well for the Jets because he pulled very good trade value at his cap hit to the Rangers at the TDL.

Had Trouba been open to it Chevy would have signed him to a longterm deal in a nano second. But when Trouba wanted out as you said they switched to plan B and extracted as much value for as little of a cap hit as possible.

I think there is a clear strategy for who the org deems as depth players and this differes from the strategy they employ for core players. For depth players they have always gone short term and tried to use the RFA system to keep costs low. They don't have an issue walking these pieces to UFA and allowing other teams to overpay. Really only Lowry bucks that trend.

With core players they have always tried to get term with their core forwards coming off their elc (Kane, Scheifele, Ehlers, Conner). The loan exception is Laine. With dmen they have largely tried to go the bridge then term route (Bogo, JoMo)

So if past precidant is any indication they will try to go term with Vilardi.
 
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The amazing thing here was that Vilardi tried the exact same move earlier in the game and barely missed. He had the balls to go back to the well and make it count. His celebration afterwards became it’s own gif.
 

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I mean its not that advanced of a move.

I like the mitts and patience. He would know Parenko was going to be closing on him so its not bad. Reminds me of something Connor or Schief would do so Gabe is in good company.
 

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These seem plausible.

Chevy loves to grind the kids, which is a reasonable strategy for a kid like Barron who's just starting to feel his oats, but then we get two relative anchors in Pionk and Schmidt.

By all accounts, and Copp's specifically, arbitration is a road you don't go down lightly. Hoping to see these sorted soon and fairly w/o an arb decision.

As a reminder, this detailed article on the Copp Saga:

But why did it even get to that point? Two years and $2.28 million seems like a very reasonable deal for the 25-year-old forward — no matter which lens you look through. To use Evolving Wild’s frequently cited contract projections, a two-year deal for Copp should have cost Winnipeg $2.20 million per season.

That’s Copp’s eventual arbitration award, nearly on the nose.

To use Winnipeg’s own Adam Lowry as a comparable — a centre with slightly more points per game in his career and a similar reputation for driving play — $2.90 million strikes me as a fair ceiling. A $2.28 million deal for Copp strikes me as entirely reasonable in proportion to his linemate’s same earnings.

For some, the story gets more worrisome. Those who read Craig Custance’s story showing that two-thirds of players who make it to an arbitration hearing get traded within three seasons, it felt like an assurance Copp’s days in Winnipeg are numbered.

It happened to Trouba after all. And if Copp’s good friend followed his arbitration deal through to a trade request and a big-ticket signing with the Rangers, wouldn’t it make sense that Copp would try to follow suit?

Copp says no. In an interview with The Athletic this week, Copp detailed his reasons for choosing arbitration, the agony of feeling “disrespected” during the process, and even some parts of arbitration that flat out made him laugh. For Jets fans, it’s not all roses.

It’s also not something to fea
r.


Yes, but filing for arb is routine. They must file by the deadline or lose the option. Getting to the actual arb hearing is something the Jets need to avoid.
 

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I'd be shocked if either of them saw a hearing.
Hey, Chevy is not above low balling RFA's and we don't know what Vilardi's ask is. It's possible Blake had reach this point in talks with Vilardi's agent...

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... and decided, you're going to be someone else's problem now. :nod:
 

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Running through projected lineups on Cap friendly I don't see how the Jets can sign Vilardi long term with the roster as currently constructed. Assuming Perfetti is off LTIR to start the season you have his $894,167 and a potential $850,000 in performance bonuses on the books. Then lets assume Stanley signs for $1,000,000 and Kupuri for $1,200,000 that would leave $4,167,143 in cap space with a 23 man roster. Another assumption that either Axel or Gus gets waived as we would have to waive one of them without injuries. Any GM without a known LTIR to save cap space wiggle room would want to save a little room under the cap for injury replacements, so realistically there is only about $3,500,000 to sign Vilardi without further roster moves.
 

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Running through projected lineups on Cap friendly I don't see how the Jets can sign Vilardi long term with the roster as currently constructed. Assuming Perfetti is off LTIR to start the season you have his $894,167 and a potential $850,000 in performance bonuses on the books. Then lets assume Stanley signs for $1,000,000 and Kupuri for $1,200,000 that would leave $4,167,143 in cap space with a 23 man roster. Another assumption that either Axel or Gus gets waived as we would have to waive one of them without injuries. Any GM without a known LTIR to save cap space wiggle room would want to save a little room under the cap for injury replacements, so realistically there is only about $3,500,000 to sign Vilardi without further roster moves.
You can't be on ltir in the off season I believe. Perfetti is already counted in the 76 million in cap space. The have 7.2 million to sign 3 players including valardi which they should easily. Can leave space for Perfetti bonus this year or minus next year either way should not hinder valardi signing.
 

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Running through projected lineups on Cap friendly I don't see how the Jets can sign Vilardi long term with the roster as currently constructed. Assuming Perfetti is off LTIR to start the season you have his $894,167 and a potential $850,000 in performance bonuses on the books. Then lets assume Stanley signs for $1,000,000 and Kupuri for $1,200,000 that would leave $4,167,143 in cap space with a 23 man roster. Another assumption that either Axel or Gus gets waived as we would have to waive one of them without injuries. Any GM without a known LTIR to save cap space wiggle room would want to save a little room under the cap for injury replacements, so realistically there is only about $3,500,000 to sign Vilardi without further roster moves.

My belief is they will still be moving out a more expensive dmen to make room for Ville. If you move Dillion that is another 3 million in cap space. Which would allow for a $5.5 million long term contract for Vilardi.

Also not a given Mark and Helle are here which would likely free up some more cap.
 
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You can't be on ltir in the off season I believe. Perfetti is already counted in the 76 million in cap space. The have 7.2 million to sign 3 players including valardi which they should easily. Can leave space for Perfetti bonus this year or minus next year either way should not hinder valardi signing.
Capfriendly just has Perfetti in the position he was in to end the season. He is not being counted in the current cap space. It is easy enough to just go there and run the numbers. You can open up more space playing around, but just use capfriendly build a roster feature.

My belief is they will still be moving out a more expensive dmen to make room for Ville. If you move Dillion that is another 3 million in cap space. Which would allow for a $5.5 million long term contract for Vilardi.

Also not a given Mark and Helle are here which would likely free up some more cap.
They might, but that is just a belief, or more realistically a hope. But my point was as the roster is currently constructed there isn't room to sign him long term.
 
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Capfriendly just has Perfetti in the position he was in to end the season. He is not being counted in the current cap space. It is easy enough to just go there and run the numbers. You can open up more space playing around, but just use capfriendly build a roster feature.


They might, but that is just a belief, or more realistically a hope. But my point was as the roster is currently constructed there isn't room to sign him long term.
I did he's counted against the cap
No player can be on ltir in the summer that's 1 of tge reason why teams are given 10% overage on the cap in the summer. And when the season starts they start putting players on ltir.
 

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I did he's counted against the cap
No player can be on ltir in the summer that's 1 of tge reason why teams are given 10% overage on the cap in the summer. And when the season starts they start putting players on ltir.
I didn't do it that way. I put the roster together in the build a roster option. Maybe I wasn't clear about that so sorry. But play around with it and there is no way to sign Vilardi long term unless we move out salary. This is the most realistic lineup I could think of without a roster move.

 
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Running through projected lineups on Cap friendly I don't see how the Jets can sign Vilardi long term with the roster as currently constructed. Assuming Perfetti is off LTIR to start the season you have his $894,167 and a potential $850,000 in performance bonuses on the books. Then lets assume Stanley signs for $1,000,000 and Kupuri for $1,200,000 that would leave $4,167,143 in cap space with a 23 man roster. Another assumption that either Axel or Gus gets waived as we would have to waive one of them without injuries. Any GM without a known LTIR to save cap space wiggle room would want to save a little room under the cap for injury replacements, so realistically there is only about $3,500,000 to sign Vilardi without further roster moves.
Perfetti’s cap hit is counted on capfriendly, just not a roster spot.

Currently the Jets have 7.2M to fill two roster spots.
 

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Why does everyone want Dillon moved out?? I would much rather see Schmidt traded. Atleast Dillon plays a heavy game and can throw down when the need arises. My god without him we might have the softest D corps and lineup in the league.
My guess if a vote was taken the order of HFBoard Jets votes to move out someone it would be Pionk, Schmidt and the Dillon in that order.
 

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My guess if a vote was taken the order of HFBoard Jets votes to move out someone it would be Pionk, Schmidt and the Dillon in that order.
We have one left shot playing the right side. If we move Pionk, who is playing the right side, though?
Schmidt is the D to move.
 
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Perfetti’s cap hit is counted on capfriendly, just not a roster spot.

Currently the Jets have 7.2M to fill two roster spots.
Like I replied earlier I was playing around with the build a roster option and wasn't clear that I moved him into the active roster and didn't explain it well. But play around with it and figure out how to sign Vilardi long term with the current roster if you can. Here is my thinking:


We have one left shot playing the right side. If we move Pionk, who is playing the right side, though?
Schmidt is the D to move.
Maybe, but how much are you willing to pay another team to do so? At least with Pionk there is still likely some positive value.
 

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Like I replied earlier I was playing around with the build a roster option and wasn't clear that I moved him into the active roster and didn't explain it well. But play around with it and figure out how to sign Vilardi long term with the current roster if you can. Here is my thinking:



Maybe, but how much are you willing to pay another team to do so? At least with Pionk there is still likely some positive value.
Who takes Pionk's place?
We have a stronger D corps with Pionk on it than Schmidt no?
 

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