GDT: G9: Senators @ Avalanche - 10/27/24 @ 7:00 PM MST

[Toothless Legend]

Yeah, but I didn't expect him to score with a goalie in the net. I had no hope when I saw who had the breakaway.

Didn't matter since he fired it wide anyways lol.

More like Jeff Shantz flashbacks. Now THERE was a guy who exceeded at missing wide-open nets.

Yeah, he's the spiritual predecessor for this archetype for sure, although with Comeau (and Wagner last night), the puck always seemed to find him in these soft areas or on an "unearned" breakaway a few times a game.

 

[willy702]

I can’t get over Wagner missing by 3 feet on an empty net in the slot.

What a f***ing idiot.

When he's fully healthy, I can't imagine that Foudy isn't a better choice than Wagner. Wagner provides nothing but a few hits out there. When you are just hitting 4th liners what is that worth?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

What I hate most about Wagner, is that he proves how terrible a judge of player talent I am.

When he got that handful of games immediately after signing with us (before they had to sit his ass for the playoffs) I thought he looked rather good. Like, I was hopeful he would be challenging for at least a 4th line if not 3rd line role the following camp.

Woof. Boy, was I wrong on that one.

Part of me feels obliged to also add, he's a hell of a lot better than I ever will be whenever I dog a dude who's actually played an NHL game.

 

[Pokecheque]

When he's fully healthy, I can't imagine that Foudy isn't a better choice than Wagner. Wagner provides nothing but a few hits out there. When you are just hitting 4th liners what is that worth?

Foudy had a wide open doorway to walk through and refused to do it. I actually DON'T think he's a better choice at this point. He's playing like he wants out.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

When he's fully healthy, I can't imagine that Foudy isn't a better choice than Wagner. Wagner provides nothing but a few hits out there. When you are just hitting 4th liners what is that worth?

Foudy had a wide open doorway to walk through and refused to do it. I actually DON'T think he's a better choice at this point. He's playing like he wants out.

Yeah, Foudy plays with the intensity of a teddy bear and does his best to avoid the play at all times.

He kind of just skates... nowhere. Doesn't engage.

In a pure bottom 6 role, Stienberg is better than Foudy. He actually hustles, throws the body, and tries to get into the dirty areas.

Foudy is far too much of a perimeter player for me.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Did LOC and Kovalenko die?

From 2nd line to not even existing!

Then there's also Kiviranta and Kelly.

LOC and Kovalenko are going to be injured, because we know we aren't allowed to have a perfectly healthy team. C'mon now RIAL, you know we can't have that many nice things.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Foudy had a wide open doorway to walk through and refused to do it. I actually DON'T think he's a better choice at this point. He's playing like he wants out.

Yeah, Foudy plays with the intensity of a teddy bear and does his best to avoid the play at all times.

He kind of just skates... nowhere. Doesn't engage.

In a pure bottom 6 role, Stienberg is better than Foudy. He actually hustles, throws the body, and tries to get into the dirty areas.

Foudy is far too much of a perimeter player for me.

I really soured on Foudy.

His first callup, well the team was in a bad way. I think the majority of the bottom nine were callups. Of course he was playing with other Eagle players but he was actually driving the play for his line. He was skating not coasting, and he was actually darting in and out of dangerous areas...making plays to people who couldn't do anything with them. I thought he was looking like an AHL playmaking genius who could play in the bottom six at the NHL level. Then with each subsequent return to the NHL he looked worse.

I mentioned this with Wagner in another thread, I'm beggining to think I'm just a completely terrible judge of player talent. (but in my defense, it's always based on such a small sample size...2 games, 3 games, etc)

 

[willy702]

I really soured on Foudy.

His first callup, well the team was in a bad way. I think the majority of the bottom nine were callups. Of course he was playing with other Eagle players but he was actually driving the play for his line. He was skating not coasting, and he was actually darting in and out of dangerous areas...making plays to people who couldn't do anything with them. I thought he was looking like an AHL playmaking genius who could play in the bottom six at the NHL level. Then with each subsequent return to the NHL he looked worse.

I mentioned this with Wagner in another thread, I'm beggining to think I'm just a completely terrible judge of player talent. (but in my defense, it's always based on such a small sample size...2 games, 3 games, etc)

I do agree with this but I also wonder if some of this is lingering injury. If he's not 100% healthy and proves it with the Eagles then he won't be up anyways. I just don't see Wagner as doing anything of value out there. He has no upside, he just understands how to think as a responsible player that Bednar likes for his 4th line. You'd think a lot of players could master that pretty quickly. Bednar probably expects no points from his 4th line so missing easy shots probably doesn't bother him too much.

I think this ties into the drafting issue for the Avs as well. They are more likely to get what Bednar really wants in his bottom six from undrafted free agents. In Bednar's world, you just need a motor and the mindset of keeping the score the same while giving the lineup a rest. That's a lot easier seen in 21-23 year olds playing against other older kids than 18 year olds who are probably on top lines of juniors.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I do agree with this but I also wonder if some of this is lingering injury. If he's not 100% healthy and proves it with the Eagles then he won't be up anyways. I just don't see Wagner as doing anything of value out there. He has no upside, he just understands how to think as a responsible player that Bednar likes for his 4th line. You'd think a lot of players could master that pretty quickly. Bednar probably expects no points from his 4th line so missing easy shots probably doesn't bother him too much.

I think this ties into the drafting issue for the Avs as well. They are more likely to get what Bednar really wants in his bottom six from undrafted free agents. In Bednar's world, you just need a motor and the mindset of keeping the score the same while giving the lineup a rest. That's a lot easier seen in 21-23 year olds playing against other older kids than 18 year olds who are probably on top lines of juniors.

Man...I was thinking about that comment I made about being a terrible judge of player talent, and then the first thing you said was "I do agree with this" and I was like...god damn, I like honesty but do you have to be so willing?

Our drafting just seems so...I have no idea what they are trying to get from some of these folks. I get that you need players for your farm clubs as well, but it really appears that if you are not a top 10 pick by the Avs, you are just not destined for an NHL team.

 

[Pokecheque]

Man...I was thinking about that comment I made about being a terrible judge of player talent, and then the first thing you said was "I do agree with this" and I was like...god damn, I like honesty but do you have to be so willing?

Our drafting just seems so...I have no idea what they are trying to get from some of these folks. I get that you need players for your farm clubs as well, but it really appears that if you are not a top 10 pick by the Avs, you are just not destined for an NHL team.

I think Henchy is right, I think they see one thing they like about a given player and they just ignore everything else.

 

[AvStock]

Is anyone throwing away Kadri’s cup season…?

It just seems like people want to shit on Kadri now that we have Mittlejost

 

[henchman21]

It just seems like people want to shit on Kadri now that we have Mittlejost

The irony here.

 

[Balthazar]

I think Henchy is right, I think they see one thing they like about a given player and they just ignore everything else.

They also do not invest much in amateur scouting and other scouting staff compared to other teams.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

It just seems like people want to shit on Kadri now that we have Mittlejost

Not at all. I still love Kadri.

But I also love that we have Mitts more.

The way I look at it is that I'm just happy my Avs and Kadri crossed paths. There's a lot of players I would have liked to have seen play with the Avs, but Kadri did and he f***ing killed it in 2021-22. But his overall tenure here wasn't what that last year was and his overall play going forward wasn't worth what he was seeking from the Avs. He's absolutely worth that much and deserves every penny he makes, but unfortunately a players value and his value to a team aren't always the same.

I miss his swagger. I miss some of his one-man solo missions. But if we are all being absolutely honest...you have to ask yourselve would you rather have the 2024 version of Kadri at 7M or the 2024 version of Mitts at 5.75M?

 

[Murzu]

Then there's also Kiviranta and Kelly.

Do we really have to count him in?

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

Are we back?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Are we back?

99%.

Problem is that 1% is Georgiev and whenever he gets into a game, he becomes 99% of the problem.

 

[forsbergavs32]

If Georgiev lets in a bunch of goals quick tonight we might see a fight. Mikko will probably jump him

 

[MonsterMack]

It just seems like people want to shit on Kadri now that we have Mittlejost

Not a single poster shat on Kadri

 

[expatriatedtexan]

If Georgiev lets in a bunch of goals quick tonight we might see a fight. Mikko will probably jump him

Y'all are just f***ing lucky I don't live in Denver.

Remember back in the 70s and early 80s when it was common for streakers to jump the field and try to interrupt games? It might be akward as f*** to think about, but I would jump naked on the ice, bum rush Georgiev and beat him to an absolute pulp if he started in a game I paid money to see.

I take that back...I probably wouldn't do the naked thing...just depends on if it was "vacation" enough for me to be drinking.

 

[AvStock]

Not at all. I still love Kadri.

But I also love that we have Mitts more.

The way I look at it is that I'm just happy my Avs and Kadri crossed paths. There's a lot of players I would have liked to have seen play with the Avs, but Kadri did and he f***ing killed it in 2021-22. But his overall tenure here wasn't what that last year was and his overall play going forward wasn't worth what he was seeking from the Avs. He's absolutely worth that much and deserves every penny he makes, but unfortunately a players value and his value to a team aren't always the same.

I miss his swagger. I miss some of his one-man solo missions. But if we are all being absolutely honest...you have to ask yourselve would you rather have the 2024 version of Kadri at 7M or the 2024 version of Mitts at 5.75M?

I just think comparing the two situations is fruitless. Kadri lifted us to a cup in 2022, and yes Mittlejost is younger now so we would rather have him now. But no one could sub for Kadri in 2022

 

[GirardSpinorama]

CDH sucks and I need everyone here to understand that.

-missionAvs

Hes easily the worst of our 6 dmen. We could really use CDH+Kylington money to get a more solid 6D

 

[the_fan]

It just seems like people want to shit on Kadri now that we have Mittlejost

I asked a simple question which shouldn’t turn into Kadri hate. No one hates Kadri. We all love him. I’m just simply asking based on what we’ve seen so far from Mitts, half of last season and 9 games into this season, if you were building a team and needed a 2C, and your 2 options were 2022 Kadri or this version of Mitts we’ve seen, who would you take?

Forget contracts and age, just simply which player would you take?

 

[AvStock]

I asked a simple question which shouldn’t turn into Kadri hate. No one hates Kadri. We all love him. I’m just simply asking based on what we’ve seen so far from Mitts, half of last season and 9 games into this season, if you were building a team and needed a 2C, and your 2 options were 2022 Kadri or this version of Mitts we’ve seen, who would you take?

Forget contracts and age, just simply which player would you take?

Kadri 100% he got us over the blues and was super clutch in the TB series. Mittlejost while good now hasn’t proven anything

 

[The Abusement Park]

It just seems like people want to shit on Kadri now that we have Mittlejost

1) Huh? Who's shitting on Kadri?

2) Mitts deserves a ton of praise for how well he's been this year.

3) Now you get sensitive about what people are saying about Av players?