He gave up 13 draft slots, and while the cap hit was just under 900k less, there were also 2 years and more money remaining.
That would have been a much better option than a buyout.
Confirmed with Link: G Ilya Samsonov heads to arbitration (Awarded 1 year, $3.55M)
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That would have been a much better option than a buyout.
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Its too bad Chicago already has a bum goalie to help them tank... I wonder who provided them with that.
The only thing that matters in the nhl is cap hit. Obviously you're too biased to understand that.
He gave up a first no matter what way you want to spin it. He was the King at giving up firsts for no reason it partially why we had1 of his draft picks playing for on the playoff roster 4 years into his GM career
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That's the other poster, it's easy to get them mixed up.
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Former NHL goalie says the Leafs will not get a discount on Ilya Samsonov's contract
Nobody's quite sure what Ilya Samsonov will get on his next deal, but one former goalie feels as though his number will be higher than expected. Details here
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This is the kind of expert analysis we've come to expect with TSN.
That's not only not true, but Mrazek's contract carried more remaining charge against the cap anyway. There was 7.6m in remaining cap hit, spread out over 2 years, compared to 4.68m for Murray. I'm not sure how one could think that remaining term means nothing. If we're going to move on from Murray, I would have much preferred dropping 13 spots in the draft than have cap charges from a buyout. Heck, even in this hypothetical where cap hit is all that mattered, retaining 880k and dropping 13 draft slots would have been better.
And he got back an early 2nd, 13 draft slots lower.
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Welp seems like they ramrodded him into the LTIR
Massive win for the leafs
Still 2 mill ( and a little over with 20 players) over so I assume we have more work to do.
Lafferty, Timmins, jarnkrok and possibly Brodie ( if we can find someone to do his job) are ones that might be pieces they're looking to move I would guess
Massive win for the leafs
Still 2 mill ( and a little over with 20 players) over so I assume we have more work to do.
Lafferty, Timmins, jarnkrok and possibly Brodie ( if we can find someone to do his job) are ones that might be pieces they're looking to move I would guess
Awesome right? Just when you thought Robidas Island was shut down, please forgive me.
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Oh you mean the 13 positions that the Leafs dropped to move Mrazek with more term and actual moneys owed?
How about telling the whole truth, and not your fantasy version. So odd how the takes are on the premise that the whole world forgot what happened just last season. Traded pick #25 and Mrazek for pick #38.
We traded a first for less cap space then aquired a third to take up more cap space.
Even by your spin Dubas took a massive L on this because he didn't get the same value that he gave up while taking on a worse contract with more real money owed in the final year. Not to mention with Murray he was negotiating with all the leverage
Dude goy body bagged repeatedly it's ok to admit it.
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Can't believe some of you clowns are still on here defending Dubas even after he used his expert negotiating skills to get his own ass fired.
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It blows my mind that there are still a few fans defending a GM that managed basically nothing and only 1 round win in his 5 years
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I’ve come to the belief that it’s really one with multiple accounts.
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It sometimes seems like that but for the life of me I can’t understand why someone would expend that much energy.
Or they could move 0 of those pieces and send Robertson, Gambrell and Holmberg to the AHL
No fans are doing that, the people doing that are ass kissers
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Samsonov 3.55m for 1 year and Gustavsson at 3.75m for 3 years.
Massive L for Treliving/Shanahan.
Massive L for Treliving/Shanahan.
Not really, it’s a pretty big gamble on Minnesota’s end. Gustavsson’s record aside from last season is very mediocre in the AHL and NHL.
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Same as Samsonov. Rather have Gustavssons deal than Sammy's right now.
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Bigger risk and reward associated with Gustavsson's contract. While he could very well maintain or improve upon last season's performance, he'll still be competing with MAF for playing time during the first season of that deal. Woll has the less certain present but possibly brighter future in comparison as a secondary option in goal.
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I might be wrong but I think I heard that Samsonov was only eligible for a 1 yr contract through arbitration
Mirtle: What we're hearing about the Maple Leafs cap situation and summer moves
How did Matt Murray end up on LTIR? How do the Maple Leafs get cap compliant before the season?
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Will Ilya Samsonov be bitter after arbitration?
As for Samsonov, while I was a little surprised the case reached arbitration, the number they ended up landing on — $3.55 million for one year — was totally reasonable.
The Leafs didn’t need to go through a full arbitration hearing in order to activate the second buyout window, so we can throw that out as a theory for why they went through with it. But I suspect they wanted to get his number a little lower than $3.55 million to give them some more cap wiggle room, as you’ll see in my calculations further down in this post.
The one downside to having an arbitration hearing in order to try and squeeze a key player, like your starting goalie, is the cases can create bad blood between player and team.
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I talked to some folks who were involved in the Samsonov process, and they spoke highly of how Treliving handled the situation as a new GM coming in who doesn’t have a relationship with the player.
There was “nothing out of bounds,” said a source with knowledge of how the arbitration hearing went. “And Brad is very professional.”
Both sides, to my understanding, were fine with the ultimate award.
What prevented the Leafs from getting a longer-term deal done? Well, every year beyond the first one was going to be a UFA season for Samsonov. And given he’s coming off a big year, and will be the Leafs No. 1 to start 2023-24, those UFA years could get expensive.
The Leafs were likely looking at a $4.25 million cap hit on a two-year deal, $4.5 million on a three-year deal, and numbers that went up from there the longer the contract was.
All this for a goaltender who has started just 119 regular-season games.
As a result, short term makes a lot of sense. But if Samsonov has another season like last year, his cap hit is going to start with a five the next time around.
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Mirtle: What we're hearing about the Maple Leafs cap situation and summer moves
How did Matt Murray end up on LTIR? How do the Maple Leafs get cap compliant before the season?
Will Ilya Samsonov be bitter after arbitration?
As for Samsonov, while I was a little surprised the case reached arbitration, the number they ended up landing on — $3.55 million for one year — was totally reasonable.
The Leafs didn’t need to go through a full arbitration hearing in order to activate the second buyout window, so we can throw that out as a theory for why they went through with it. But I suspect they wanted to get his number a little lower than $3.55 million to give them some more cap wiggle room, as you’ll see in my calculations further down in this post.
All this for a goaltender who has started just 119 regular-season games.
As a result, short term makes a lot of sense. But if Samsonov has another season like last year, his cap hit is going to start with a five the next time around.
For comparison
Boston Bruins G Jeremy Swayman awarded one-year, $3.475M contract in arbitration | TSN
Boston Bruins goaltender Jeremy Swayman has been awarded a one-year, $3.475 million contract in arbitration, according to multiple reports. Swayman entered his hearing with the Bruins on Sunday, becoming the third player to reach arbitration this summer.
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Swayman, 24, finished his second full NHL season with a 24-6-4 record with a .920 save percentage and 2.27 goals-against average while sharing the net with 2023 Vezina Trophy winner Linus Ullmark. The duo shared the William M. Jennings Trophy after allowing a league-low 177 goals against in 2022-2023.
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For comparison
Boston Bruins G Jeremy Swayman awarded one-year, $3.475M contract in arbitration | TSN
Boston Bruins goaltender Jeremy Swayman has been awarded a one-year, $3.475 million contract in arbitration, according to multiple reports. Swayman entered his hearing with the Bruins on Sunday, becoming the third player to reach arbitration this summer.
Swayman, 24, finished his second full NHL season with a 24-6-4 record with a .920 save percentage and 2.27 goals-against average while sharing the net with 2023 Vezina Trophy winner Linus Ullmark. The duo shared the William M. Jennings Trophy after allowing a league-low 177 goals against in 2022-2023.
f*** off. How does a Jennings winner get less than Sammy?
Because Boston's defense was just that much better than everyone else's. Sorry man that's all I got
