Future of the team is incredibly bleak

[Niagara Bill]

You think the Sabres did a "proper rebuild?"

What a bizarre take.

Why you mention the Sabres as an example of a proper rebuild and then spend a paragraph criticizing the rebuild that the Sabres did?

We have been doing a proper rebuild since 1967...something we need to get much better at. Maybe since we make do much money with little effort, success on the ice may not be do important.
Seems to me that most of the winning teams are owned by individuals who are passionate, not the same as corporste spread sheets.

 

[Donnie740]

Dubas had a chance to do a retool when some of these guys were tradable but chose not to. Treliving had the opportunity to make meaningful changes but as a new GM in his first year it would have been impossible to leverage Marner in a trade. His hands were tied.
This model is simply not working. We can either be satisfied with losing first round every dam year while we give more and more of the cap to these 4 or we can try it improve on the core.

The useless coach and the hopeless GM are what didn’t work.

If the Leafs had ANYONE other than Bozo the Keefe and Dumbass for the past five years, I can guarantee they would have won more than just one playoff series.

Do you honestly think Jon Cooper or Paul Maurice couldn’t have taken this team to at least the conference finals?

 

[Racer88]

The useless coach and the hopeless GM are what didn’t work.

If the Leafs had ANYONE other than Bozo the Keefe and Dumbass for the past five years, I can guarantee they would have won more than just one playoff series.

Do you honestly think Jon Cooper or Paul Maurice couldn’t have taken this team to at least the conference finals?

Hard to say. So far 3 coaches have tried to make this core into winners with no luck. In my opinion the common denominator is Shanny in that regard

 

[thusk]

According to your list, Tampa also has 8 draft.

Yeah you're right it's 8 for Tampa, just click on wrong number

But why not contrast our efforts with a comparable team that's been a consistent playoff team for awhile, like a Carolina? It is not difficult to make the Leafs look dumb, I'm not sure why you're so insistent on bringing up Yzerman when again, the team situations are very different. It is a lot easier to not waste assets when you're running a lottery team. Your work might be more appreciated in the Detroit downfall thread on the main board where you'll find plenty that disagree with this kind of praise.

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7 player drafted by the in actual line, it'a actually less than Toronto or Tampa who spend years after years pick and prospect to help the team now vs a team who kept a lot of pick during year.

The fact Carolina kept so much pick, did that made Carolina a better team overal... they had succes in playoff ... playing against metro division... actually since they made playoff under brind'amour, they won only 24% of playoff game vs any atlantic team... vs tampa and florida combined, they are 2-16 in playoff

Again i think some people overrating impact of having a lot of pick / prospect when your goal is to win now

 

[Jojalu]

Hard to say. So far 3 coaches have tried to make this core into winners with no luck. In my opinion the common denominator is Shanny in that regard

I am not sure Tre's hands were tied. He could have not re-upped Nylander and Matthews, had a chance to trade Marner once they got punted from the playoffs. Didn't need to resign Kamph or Domi.

The upgrades on D and in net give me hope, but I think I agree with you. Seems like Shanny is the one going to bat for the core

 

[Maple Leaf]

The useless coach and the hopeless GM are what didn’t work.

If the Leafs had ANYONE other than Bozo the Keefe and Dumbass for the past five years, I can guarantee they would have won more than just one playoff series.

Do you honestly think Jon Cooper or Paul Maurice couldn’t have taken this team to at least the conference finals?

I don't know maybe no one get bring this core to the promise land

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Also look at how old our blueline Will be in a few years and we have no first round pick until 2028. Better pray we hit on our second or third round pick this year

Matthew Knies and Joseph Woll were 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Not having a 1st for 3 years sucks but you can get good players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

 

[Evilhomer]

Interesting how things change after only 3 weeks.

 

[Atomos2]

Pretty much the last ride with this core. Entertaining regular season team no doubt, but that’s pretty much it. It’s crazy how negative narratives latch onto the Leafs franchise regardless of its position in the league. Before the Matthews era, the Leafs were the joke of the league as the team with (at the time) the longest playoff drought. Now Matthews enters and now the team is the joke of the league with playoff failures. Obviously this team deserves the criticism it gets but it does make me wonder why they can’t ever breakthrough the narrative and what would happen to the NHL if they did.

Just a thought.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Unfortunately, I've had doubts about this core and the mental and emotional capabilities since they did the mutiny on Babcock. As it turned out, it was justified because the more people learned about him, the more he became an arsole.

Still, the way they played and capitulated really made me wonder if they had the fortitude in an emotional sense to actually win. At this point, we only had the two series with Boston to go off, but they regained their bravery like kids with a substitute teacher under Keefe, which was followed up by two of the more embarrassing playoff/in performances. So, since then, I've been everything from apathetic to highly doubtful about these players and management.

I wouldn't say a complete rebuild is necessary (I wouldn't object to it), but a thorough cleaning of the upper management and coaching staff and probably half the roster, including, and I hate to say it, Matthews.

Suggesting that trading Matthews is necessarily is completely ridiculous.

Wanting change is one thing but there is a difference between wanting change and making what would be the worst move in the history of the franchise.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Interesting how things change after only 3 weeks.

What has changed? Did you miss the entire point of the thread is about how this season is our last chance? What has changed about our future? This had NOTHING to do with a losing streak

 

[Evilhomer]

What has changed? Did you miss the entire point of the thread is about how this season is our last chance? What has changed about our future? This had NOTHING to do with a losing streak

If by future you mean 5 or 6 years from now, sure. But for the next several years this team will be a Cup contender, so that doesn't seem too bleak to me.

 

[Al14]

The useless coach and the hopeless GM are what didn’t work.

If the Leafs had ANYONE other than Bozo the Keefe and Dumbass for the past five years, I can guarantee they would have won more than just one playoff series.

Do you honestly think Jon Cooper or Paul Maurice couldn’t have taken this team to at least the conference finals?

When were Cooper and Maurice even available? Maurice was scooped up pretty quick by Florida.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Good thing we have our young 2nd line C ready to step up and play full time next season right…..

Oh… wait

I know you mean Minten, he's a good young player.

In NO WORLD is he a #2 center, and certainly not next season.

And he IS the Bruins #2 center next season then the Bruins are in A LOT of trouble

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Interesting how things change after only 3 weeks.

You're back to planning the parade already?

 

[Evilhomer]

You're back to planning the parade already?

Save your hyperbole for others. I have consistently said the Leafs will be in the conference final this season. I haven't seen anything that would change that opinion. Once they get to the conference final, let's see what happens.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

What has changed? Did you miss the entire point of the thread is about how this season is our last chance? What has changed about our future? This had NOTHING to do with a losing streak

Last chance?

I plan on cheering for them every year...

 

[Ianturnedbull]

You're back to planning the parade already?

I think the counterpoint to this thread was: 1. it's not bleak 2. we'll be icing another competitive team next year.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Last chance?

I plan on cheering for them every year...

We all will.... Doesn't change we have no draft picks, basically no prospects, so how are we going to improve the team?

Now throw in potentially losing Marner for free

 

[Jojalu]

We all will.... Doesn't change we have no draft picks, basically no prospects, so how are we going to improve the team?

Now throw in potentially losing Marner for free

Going to have to be creative.

Hopefully hit on some NCAA players. Offersheet some younger RFA'S. Or if it falls apart you look to move some vets out for picks.

Thr good news is Florida and TB don't have picks for the forseeable future as well.

3 years it might be Mon, Ott and Buf at the top while the big 3 are fighting for WC spots

 

[colchar]

We have been doing a proper rebuild since 1967.

No, they haven't.

And why are you saying 'we'? You are not part of the organization.

Maybe since we make do much money with little effort, success on the ice may not be do important.
Seems to me that most of the winning teams are owned by individuals who are passionate, not the same as corporste spread sheets.

A stupid take that ignores the fact that they would make a lot more money if they won the Cup.

 

[Fogelhund]

We all will.... Doesn't change we have no draft picks, basically no prospects, so how are we going to improve the team?

Now throw in potentially losing Marner for free

Draft picks aren't likely to impact the team for 2-4 years if they are forwards, longer if they are D. We seem to have replaced the outgoing prospects, with new ones. There are a number of bodies who could come in and compete for spots over the next few years, on cheap contracts.

Improvements can come through trade, or Free Agency, including NCAA and CHL Free agents.

If we walk from Marner, it's because we blew up in the first round again. Now Marner is a very talented player, but you don't keep doing the same thing, and expect different results. If it's time to move on from him, it's what we will do, and make changes to some degree of the roster with UFA's.

Every team goes through a life cycle, and we aren't near the end of ours yet, unless they choose to rebuild, which seems unlikely. Chances are, guys like Matthews and Nylander will be effective to their mid-30's... Marner too... so we've got time on our hands.

Who knows what's going to happen next, but it's not all bleak, but it's not all roses either. Don't get caught up in the sky is falling mentality of some... The team is leading the division, and about to do whatever they will in the playoffs.. enjoy it for today...

 

[Evilhomer]

We all will.... Doesn't change we have no draft picks, basically no prospects, so how are we going to improve the team?

Now throw in potentially losing Marner for free

The window is the next 4 or 5 years, after which the defense will be a train wreck.

 

[Fogelhund]

The team is leading the division, already qualified for the playoffs, and half the "fans" who post in this forum seem to hate the team. It's kind of crazy.

 

[Niagara Bill]

No, they haven't.

And why are you saying 'we'? You are not part of the organization.



A stupid take that ignores the fact that they would make a lot more money if they won the Cup.

They would not make more if they won, there are many factors in p & l.
I say we because I have been invested, emotionally, and financially since 1955.

And why do you bother to look at a web page about a team you have no investment in.
If you don't understand, I feel sorry for you.
If you are just being an a??, fo