Future of the team is incredibly bleak

[Jojalu]

you're right with 4 pts he's pts leader and on gm 7... butmore points doesn't mean better espeially 3 of 4 ptsgame 7 from Nylander are actually empty calorie.

a second assist for a blueline shot deflected by marleau on Pp

a second assist for losing the puck
but with chance puck bounce on Polak stick

and a goal when leafs trailing by 3 with 1 min and half remaining and game already basically over.

Gm 7 had been an issue for leafs so maybe the best thing to do is beong better first 6 and try to avoid gm 7

Lol. Couldn't agree more

 

[Sypher04]

I love Knies but he is nowhere near worth $9 million AAV

Cool so I can add Jason Bukala to my list of people whose opinions I don’t value

 

[myleafs]

Not really but I can agree with the players he brought in bertuzzi was actually a good add

He was?

 

[keonsbitterness]

75% of tweets are 85% useless.

 

[myleafs]

Agreed, but I think they can stretch this core to 2029/30.

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

 

[arso40]

He was?

He lead us in scoring in the playoffs and he was the left winger on our best line for most the year last year

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Yzerman joined Detroit, April 19 2019. His first draft pick was Moritz Seider. His second 1st round pick the year after: Lucas Raymond. The year after that, Simon Edvinsson, Sebastian Cossa (jury's out) and Carter Mazur. Marco Kasper was the next draft, which by my count has Yzerman hitting bullseye after bullseye in a redraft with Seider, Raymond and Edvinsson and a don't know yet with Kasper.

The year after he drafts Danielson (viewed as an equal foil to Bedard) and then...he drafts ASP and Trey Augustine; Pellika set a record in the SHL for defencemen and Augustine just won the NCAA goalie of the year.

What he is doing is building. When he's done, the effect will not resemble ours. Detroit will have drafted players throughout, with objective reason to be optimistic.

The only bad contracts on the club are Copp and Compher. But they're bad in that they're not ideal. They're movable, but more importantly, they're both under $6M. Count Holl and possibly Chariot as others and it's $3M +$4.5 or something. And its for one more year. And Yzerman has been doing this year after year.

Why? To surround the defining talent with veteran presence while not overextending. It's boring. It seems stagnant and its precisely what we should have done.

The highest paid forward is Larkin, followed closely by Raymond; Both under $9M
The highest paid defenceman is Seider at around $8.5M and those are the bars.

Detroit has all of its draft picks for the next three years plus two more, both in 25: A 3rd and a 7th.

And they'll have room to sign with, plus the cap going up and the biggest forgotten piece of it all?

They're owned by the Illitch Family who WILL absolutely spend. They're simply waiting for the right opportunity, which I suspect is activated exactly when Yzerman says so.

To me its plain as day.

You're kind enough to invite us into your internal dialog, and I thank you.

 

[notDatsyuk]

You guys are negative because they started making the playoffs way earlier than anticipated. Really its been 3 years since they've really been in their window. Win the division and the path to the SCF becomes much easier , if Edmonton can do it they can

They started making the playoffs too soon, which led to the JT signing and 'going all in' before they were ready.

They have a chance of going farther this year, but their window is really the next three, if they do things right this summer.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Chicago went from 13th in the conference in 2006-2007 to 4th in the conference 2008-2009 to winning the cup in 2009-2010.

Pittsburgh went from last in the conference in 2005-2006 to second in the conference by 2007-2008 to winning the cup in 2008-2009.

LA went from last in the conference in 2008-2009 to winning the cup in 2011-2012.

Boston went from 13th in the conference in 2006-2007 to winning the conference in 2008-2009 to winning the cup in 2010-2011.

Colorado went from last in the league in 2016-2017 to first place in the league in 2020-2021 to winning the cup in 2021-2022.

Vegas didn't even exist six years ago.

The teams you listed all won the cup in 3 to 4 years, but:

Toronto went from last in the conference in 2009-2010 to 5th in the conference in 2012-2013 (then back to last in 2015-2016).

Buffalo went from last in the conference in 2013-2014 to last in the conference in 2017-2018.

Toronto went from last in the conference in 2015-2016 to 8th in the conference in 2019-2020 (but never won even a single playoff round).

So yes, some teams improved a lot in 3 or 4 years, while others didn't. What was your point beyond that you can pick and choose data?

 

[notDatsyuk]

I’ve often wondered if thats why they don’t put in the required playoff effort. If you know can’t win, why bother trying.
Willy has been packed and ready to go to the worlds prior to some games 7.

And yet still the best player in them - pretty impressive.

 

[shaner82]

It can't be that bleak, season tickets just went up in price by like 20%.
Clearly everything is amazing.

 

[notDatsyuk]

75% of tweets are 85% useless.

68% of stats are made up on the spot.

 

[Donnie740]

I love Knies but he is nowhere near worth $9 million AAV

I’d be filing a tampering complaint with the league.

 

[ToneDog]

I’d be filing a tampering complaint with the league.

He's in the media which makes him a troll IMO and from the responses on X, it worked. He is not even doing it for a team like what the Ranger reporter who "soft tampered" for Brady Tkachuk to the Rangers.

Fans are not being fooled

45 points and they’re talking about 9 million dollars

9 mil for Knies lol put down the crack pipe.

are they f***ing HIGH?

This account is either Dreger or Knies’ agent

I would of traded him for Ratanen if he’s going to get 9 Have to take in consideration he’s playing with Matthews and marner I could score 15 on their Wing

Michael Bunting potted 63 points and 23 goals playing with Matthews and Marner for a full year. I love Matthews Knies, I really do but this market needs to relax trying to push for these guys to get paid. He’s playing incredible with amazing players on his side. Chill out.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

I have him at 7M on a long-term deal.

I know it's the Leafs but no one is signing Knies for 9M.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

At least no one is talking about Josh Leivo in this thread.

 

[Menzinger]

Yzerman joined Detroit, April 19 2019. His first draft pick was Moritz Seider. His second 1st round pick the year after: Lucas Raymond. The year after that, Simon Edvinsson, Sebastian Cossa (jury's out) and Carter Mazur. Marco Kasper was the next draft, which by my count has Yzerman hitting bullseye after bullseye in a redraft with Seider, Raymond and Edvinsson and a don't know yet with Kasper.

The year after he drafts Danielson (viewed as an equal foil to Bedard) and then...he drafts ASP and Trey Augustine; Pellika set a record in the SHL for defencemen and Augustine just won the NCAA goalie of the year.

What he is doing is building. When he's done, the effect will not resemble ours. Detroit will have drafted players throughout, with objective reason to be optimistic.

The only bad contracts on the club are Copp and Compher. But they're bad in that they're not ideal. They're movable, but more importantly, they're both under $6M. Count Holl and possibly Chariot as others and it's $3M +$4.5 or something. And its for one more year. And Yzerman has been doing this year after year.

Why? To surround the defining talent with veteran presence while not overextending. It's boring. It seems stagnant and its precisely what we should have done.

The highest paid forward is Larkin, followed closely by Raymond; Both under $9M
The highest paid defenceman is Seider at around $8.5M and those are the bars.

Detroit has all of its draft picks for the next three years plus two more, both in 25: A 3rd and a 7th.

And they'll have room to sign with, plus the cap going up and the biggest forgotten piece of it all?

They're owned by the Illitch Family who WILL absolutely spend. They're simply waiting for the right opportunity, which I suspect is activated exactly when Yzerman says so.

To me its plain as day.

Draft picks are just draft picks until they turn into an actual impact player and the Leafs enormous wealth didn't keep them out the basement for a decade +

I'll grant they may one day pull things together, but it's far, far from a guarantee

 

[Leaf Fans]

What does it change there’s more marner fans in this thread then leaf fans lol

Nah, there are a commensurate number of Marner fans and Marner haters, though most people are fans of the team.

 

[Nineteen67]

And yet still the best player in them - pretty impressive.

He was pathetic other the past two years. Called out on national broadcast in two countries, pathetic.

 

[Donnie740]

Yzerman joined Detroit, April 19 2019. His first draft pick was Moritz Seider. His second 1st round pick the year after: Lucas Raymond. The year after that, Simon Edvinsson, Sebastian Cossa (jury's out) and Carter Mazur. Marco Kasper was the next draft, which by my count has Yzerman hitting bullseye after bullseye in a redraft with Seider, Raymond and Edvinsson and a don't know yet with Kasper.

The year after he drafts Danielson (viewed as an equal foil to Bedard) and then...he drafts ASP and Trey Augustine; Pellika set a record in the SHL for defencemen and Augustine just won the NCAA goalie of the year.

What he is doing is building. When he's done, the effect will not resemble ours. Detroit will have drafted players throughout, with objective reason to be optimistic.

The only bad contracts on the club are Copp and Compher. But they're bad in that they're not ideal. They're movable, but more importantly, they're both under $6M. Count Holl and possibly Chariot as others and it's $3M +$4.5 or something. And its for one more year. And Yzerman has been doing this year after year.

Why? To surround the defining talent with veteran presence while not overextending. It's boring. It seems stagnant and its precisely what we should have done.

The highest paid forward is Larkin, followed closely by Raymond; Both under $9M
The highest paid defenceman is Seider at around $8.5M and those are the bars.

Detroit has all of its draft picks for the next three years plus two more, both in 25: A 3rd and a 7th.

And they'll have room to sign with, plus the cap going up and the biggest forgotten piece of it all?

They're owned by the Illitch Family who WILL absolutely spend. They're simply waiting for the right opportunity, which I suspect is activated exactly when Yzerman says so.

To me its plain as day.

SIX (6) years of rebuilding and Detroit still hasn’t sniffed the playoffs - - even after hitting “bullseye after bullseye” in the draft. Imagine if they’d drafted a few gimps like Fred Gauthier and Ty Biggs instead of all those “bullseye” picks,

I have no earthly idea why any Toronto fan would want to blow up the most talented Leafs team in 50 years and go through a rebuild like Detroit with SIX (6) years of no playoffs.

 

[LeafEgo]

Leafs would immediately match. Even if 9 million is a bit rich for Knies, this kid is only 22 he’s going to be a consistent 30+ goal/70+ point player for the next 15 years. You don’t give him up for a few draft picks. Leafs wouldn’t get enough value in a trade or through an offer sheet. You immediately match or re-sign him. Knies is an old school rare power forward and Leafs are very lucky to have him. A rare 2nd round gem for this franchise.

Outside of the core 3 Knies is easily the most important piece of the future

For the Leafs in particular it wouldn't make sense. They would use those picks to get another Carlo level replacement, and the additional ~5M in FA. They would be stronger next year.

A team coming out of a rebuild might match though. GMs have avoided getting into offer sheet wars but that gentleman's agreement might be breaking down.

I’d be filing a tampering complaint with the league.

With your avatar that was kinda funny. Why are things so hard for me, somebody do something!

 

[colchar]

This is why the Leafs were rated the worst run franchise in the NHL.

By who?

 

[colchar]

Treliving is another Burke / Nonis type. Hell Treliving worked with Burke for years and years. I've seen that result with my eyes before.

You're right, the problem is I have too much passion not that this team has been mismanaged and bled dry by greedy f***s.

You're clearly not smart enough to understand that the team makes more money the deeper they go in the playoffs, and makes a ton more if they win the Cup, so if they were greedy f***s as you claim then they would be putting an amazing team on the ice in order to maximize playoff profits every year.

 

[colchar]

I refuse to be like those stupid Oilers fans who were losing their minds a few weeks ago even though they were 1st in their division. They have a deep team. They almost won a Cup last season. They are proven to be battle hardy. They have the best player in league.

For now...................

 

[notDatsyuk]

He was pathetic other the past two years. Called out on national broadcast in two countries, pathetic.

Shared the team lead in goals and second in points in 2020 (5th in ES and 4th in PP time).

Led the team in goals and points in 2021 (4th in ES and PP time).

Third in assists and points and tied for second in goals in 2022 (6th in ES and 4th in PP time).

All while playing with a centre and LW who were much worse both offensively and defensively than the top line players.

Wish we had more players that bad.