Friedman: Hartnell agreed to waive No move clause
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Just curious what you think Columbus would want for Hartnell and/or Tyutin (specifically, from Panthers) and do you think they are going to move either/both? TIA.
CBJWerenski8
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Hartnell for a roster player + pick or prospect. Doubt he gets moved.
Tyutin will require at least a 1st. He's a good player, but if he doesn't improve he could be a buyout candidate. I have a sneaky suspicion that he will be moved.
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Tyutin had the final 2 years of his contract bought out a couple weeks ago. He is no longer a Blue Jackets. He signed a one-year deal with the Colorado Avalanche. He is set.
Columbus has 11-5-2 signed to one way contracts (F-D-G). I'm guessing they will carry 14-7-2. The Lake Erie Monsters won the AHL Calder Cup in impressive fashion. They went 15-2 in the tournament. The conference finals and championship rounds both went 4-0. The draft and develop effort is paying off and there is talent waiting. If the CBJ add 3-2-0 from the AHL, that is a lot of rookies, especially with Torts as a coach.
My point in being long-winded is that Hartnell probably could have been had cheaper before the Tyutin and Boll buyouts. It would have cleared cap space, and reduced by one the number of NMC contracts that need to be protected in the expansion draft. He could still be had. But it would probably require MacKenzie, or Jakub Kindl plus Vancouver's 4th round pick that Florida holds. Still not alot, but he could be had.
Given that the CBJ are looking to open with 5 rookies as it currently stands, they would require an NHL skater back. Mackenzie was loved when he was here and didn't really want to leave. The defense still only has two players with over 250 games of NHL experience. And one of them (Savard) has 252. Jack Johnson the other at 629.
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I had been to busy to pay attention recently, didn't know Tyutin already signed.
Kindl + a 4th rounder seems like a fair price for Hartnell.
Florida's depth at D is a bit thin, but that would be a good trade for both teams probably.
I would rather keep Hartnell. We have a regular spot for him, not for Kindl. You folks need Kindl more. Maybe if we're talking about a swap for DMac, but even then I'd have to wonder how we'd replace the offense.
This is probably a deadline thing. My guess is the Panthers will be just fine in the regular season without another trade, and if the Jackets are still out of it at the deadline, Hartnell can then be moved for the Panthers Cup push. The price will be higher then but that's the only time a trade would make sense for both teams.
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I agree with Major (above). I don't want to trade Hartnell. He still fits nicely on this team. We need his leadership and sandpaper. Now that CBJ are not up against cap, let him play in Union Blue. The poster asked what it would take. I want to see what they had that fit.
Kindl has 290 games of experience and his contract expires in one year. They could us another experienced D man for this year only. Plus vancouver's 4th will be about pick 90 something next year. In two years, the CBJ will owe the Canucks a 2nd for Coach Torts. I figured give Van their 90 something in 2017 for our 50 something in 2018. Then CBJ get their pick back, Hartnell would not have to be protected in the Las Vegas expansion draft, cap space is freed up, another roster spot is open.
Kindl has 290 games of experience and his contract expires in one year. They could us another experienced D man for this year only. Plus vancouver's 4th will be about pick 90 something next year. In two years, the CBJ will owe the Canucks a 2nd for Coach Torts. I figured give Van their 90 something in 2017 for our 50 something in 2018. Then CBJ get their pick back, Hartnell would not have to be protected in the Las Vegas expansion draft, cap space is freed up, another roster spot is open.
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Both parts of what you said make sense.
I think the Panthers will want to upgrade Kindl before playoffs anyway, but maybe I'm wrong. I don't think they would trade DMac, he fills a vital role. I was figuring one of their young winger prospects that are about NHL ready and a decent pick might get it done.
I just thought maybe they could get Hartnell for picks/prospects cheaper now, since Florida expects to be in the playoffs next year and can make early moves. I hope Columbus turns it around and I think they will (but maybe don't see themselves as a serious Cup contender and still want to trade Hartnell? haha). I was a bit surprised at their poor start last year. That can make for a long season as a fan.
All depends on how the CBJ evaluate the team.
If they think they can compete this year then keep him.
If they don't think they can and can get a decent return then trade him.
Doesn't do much use to talk about how good he is with the kids when he was here when RyJo played his way out of town (meaning for every positive we've seen there is that big negative of a developing player who didn't progress).
Simply the answer is how the CBJ FO evaluates the team and if the return is acceptable.
If they think they can compete this year then keep him.
If they don't think they can and can get a decent return then trade him.
Doesn't do much use to talk about how good he is with the kids when he was here when RyJo played his way out of town (meaning for every positive we've seen there is that big negative of a developing player who didn't progress).
Simply the answer is how the CBJ FO evaluates the team and if the return is acceptable.
The best return is at the deadline, so we can evaluate then. Might be pretty simple.
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Probably a quick no, but would you guys accept either a package of Plekanec + De La Rose + Andrighetto or Desharnais + Scherbak + Andrighetto for Milano + Hartnell? I'd potentially do Plekanec + Scherbak + Andrighetto
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Any new rumors around CBJ area regarding his potential trade situation?.. Or is it a situation where they are just casually looking for a deal but will ccompletely gladly keep him
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I would probably do the first proposal because Plex would serve as a great placeholder C in the top-6 till Dubois is ready. I'd look to include Campbell, though, to even out this year's salaries.
I would also do the first offer, especially if you replace JDLR with a pick.
I'd say no very quickly. We get yet another 2C (who has term) and lose Milano. I'm OK with trading Milano if we are getting an actual 1C but Wennberg and Dubi are both for to be our top 6C and we could even put Jenner in at 2 and slide Dubi to 3rd if need be. Nothing at all against Plec it's just not what we need.
Playing PLD at 3C with Hartnell on his wing is better for us to win now rather the throw away a potential 1st line winger in Milano and one of our top scorers in Hartnell for a lateral move.
Playing PLD at 3C with Hartnell on his wing is better for us to win now rather the throw away a potential 1st line winger in Milano and one of our top scorers in Hartnell for a lateral move.
Hartnell and Plekanec produce about the same, but that's where the comparison ends. It's not a lateral move.
One issue is that the per year salary commitment is higher (and the term shorter). Ownership might not like that, it depends on the internal cap.
Ghetto and a 2nd sounds reasonable for Milano.
How would something like Hartnell and a 5th for Dorsett and a 2nd sound?
You guys clear 2.1M in cap space, get a former fan favourite back and pick up a 2nd. Canucks get the best player in the deal and when they need to spread scoring Hartnell did show some chem with the twins albeit at the all star game years ago. Also get a late pick so we don't go into the draft with 3 picks in total.
You guys clear 2.1M in cap space, get a former fan favourite back and pick up a 2nd. Canucks get the best player in the deal and when they need to spread scoring Hartnell did show some chem with the twins albeit at the all star game years ago. Also get a late pick so we don't go into the draft with 3 picks in total.
God I miss Dorsett and Bass from just leadership grinder always ready to protect a teammate stance. Great guys but unfortunately no place for them on the style of team we have now.
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Well, it limits Jarmo's options and I think it might be reasonable to assume that Hartnell won't waive for the expansion draft.
But, on the good side, maybe this will clear his mind and allow him to have a productive couple of years (we'll worry about the third one later).
But, on the good side, maybe this will clear his mind and allow him to have a productive couple of years (we'll worry about the third one later).
