Friedman: Hartnell agreed to waive No move clause

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

And again, he doesn't have to go now. There are month to sort this out.

Worst case scenario, Anderson is exposed and potentially picked. I like Anderson but is he irreplaceable?

 

[major major]

And again, he doesn't have to go now. There are month to sort this out.

Worst case scenario, Anderson is exposed and potentially picked. I like Anderson but is he irreplaceable?

I'd like to come back to that question after we see him play for a few months. I expect we'll find his scoring replaceable but not the rest of his game. As you can tell from the play of our 4th line this year, getting players of quality back there isn't always as easy as it might seem.

 

[Jackets16]

And again, he doesn't have to go now. There are month to sort this out.

Worst case scenario, Anderson is exposed and potentially picked. I like Anderson but is he irreplaceable?

Everyone is replaceable. Doesn't mean I would like to have to replace them. Why lose him if you don't have to?

 

[CBJSlash]

Lets see if Josh Anderson scores more than 10 points in an NHL season before we protect him over someone like a Calvert or Karlsson. I like him, but is he Wayne Simmons or Jared Boll 2.0? Boll outscored him in junior.

It's a long season folks. A lot will change.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Lets see if Josh Anderson scores more than 10 points in an NHL season before we protect him over someone like a Calvert or Karlsson. I like him, but is he Wayne Simmons or Jared Boll 2.0? Boll outscored him in junior.

It's a long season folks. A lot will change.

That's... incorrect.

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

If you lose Anderson you don't lose Korpisalo or Forsberg. Columbus is going to expose a couple of decent options for LV and lose one of them.

 

[CBJSlash]

That's... incorrect.

?

Oh... that's right, I made it up...

their last season of junior hockey:

Boll 28 goals, 27 assists
Anderson 27 goals, 24 assists

Not to mention Boll was able to make the jump directly from junior to the NHL and Anderson's had two years in the AHL. Shelley was on the team at the time so it wasn't because they needed a goon. He wasn't thought of as just a goon.


This speaks to the overrating of prospects and underappreciating of actual NHL players. Anderson has done NOTHING that says he will be a better NHL player than Jared Boll. He may... he hasn't... Boll was a highly valuable player his first 4-5 years, an incredibly disruptive forechecker.

 

[EspenK]

?

Oh... that's right, I made it up...

their last season of junior hockey:

Boll 28 goals, 27 assists
Anderson 27 goals, 24 assists

Not to mention Boll was able to make the jump directly from junior to the NHL and Anderson's had two years in the AHL. Shelley was on the team at the time so it wasn't because they needed a goon. He wasn't thought of as just a goon.


This speaks to the amount of overrating of prospects of underappreciating of actual NHL players. Anderson has done NOTHING that says he will be a better NHL player than Jared Boll. He may... he hasn't... Boll was a highly valuable player his first 4-5 years, an incredibly disruptive forechecker.

55 to 51 - definitely indicative that Boll was,is and forever shall be better.

When Boll made the jump the team sucked - well I guess they still suck but at least the Jackets now let players develop in the A.

And all of that including that Boll apparently is a really good guy is irrelevant. Boll is through as a contributor. Anderson or someone else will be better suited for today's NHL.

 

[CBJSlash]

55 to 51 - definitely indicative that Boll was,is and forever shall be better.

When Boll made the jump the team sucked - well I guess they still suck but at least the Jackets now let players develop in the A.

And all of that including that Boll apparently is a really good guy is irrelevant. Boll is through as a contributor. Anderson or someone else will be better suited for today's NHL.

and the pendulum wildly swings the other direction...

We were the 27th best team last year.

I like Anderson.

You can try to delete it from your memory, but Boll was visible every shift his first four years in the NHL. Anderson has been practically invisible in the NHL in his call-ups. IMO Rychel was more visible. Not a diss on Anderson, it doesn't mean he won't be the better player. Doesn't mean he will either.

He needs significant development in his game to be a top 9 player in this NHL. The idea of protecting him based on his potential right now is silly to me. He has to show he can play. Does he skate well enough to play top 6 or defend on a shutdown line? Does he have the playmaking ability? Is he just a net front presence on the powerplay or a roster full of net front presences?

A big summer ahead for him.

 

[Inquiring Minds]

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This speaks to the amount of overrating of prospects of underappreciating of actual NHL players. Anderson has done NOTHING that says he will be a better NHL player than Jared Boll. He may... he hasn't... Boll was a highly valuable player his first 4-5 years, an incredibly disruptive forechecker.

55 to 51 - definitely indicative that Boll was, is and forever shall be better.

Wow. Way to take that tidbit and run to an illogical conclusion.

When Boll made the jump the team sucked - well I guess they still suck but at least the Jackets now let players develop in the A.

True. But he did make the jump, and as CBJSlash points out, directly from juniors to the Big Show. And he managed to stay for 10 years.

And all of that including that Boll apparently is a really good guy is irrelevant. Boll is through as a contributor. Anderson or someone else will be better suited for today's NHL.

And that Gehrig fellow is all washed up too. Just can't compete in the game today. Father Time, and the toll on a body, they is a *****.

The point is that Boll had some offensive potential in his youth. It didn't make the jump to the NHL with him and his scoring did not elevate, so he looked around and found a niche that would allow him to contribute to the team. It wasn't just as a goon, he was a good energy guy and forechecker.
I see no reason to denigrate a man's entire career because a) his energy level and physical abilities have diminished over time and b) he never filled a role that everyone desperately wanted him to fill, but did find a role that needed filling.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Hope he's traded for Evander Kane straight up.

 

[Viqsi]

?

Oh... that's right, I made it up...

their last season of junior hockey:

Boll 28 goals, 27 assists
Anderson 27 goals, 24 assists

Not to mention Boll was able to make the jump directly from junior to the NHL and Anderson's had two years in the AHL. Shelley was on the team at the time so it wasn't because they needed a goon. He wasn't thought of as just a goon.


This speaks to the amount of overrating of prospects of underappreciating of actual NHL players. Anderson has done NOTHING that says he will be a better NHL player than Jared Boll. He may... he hasn't... Boll was a highly valuable player his first 4-5 years, an incredibly disruptive forechecker.

To be fair, Boll had 7 more games played that year. But yeah, I don't get why Anderson is being treated like some sort of major savior. I like his game, to be sure, but I'm not seeing reason why, for example, he should be a higher protection priority than Cam ****ing Atkinson.

 

[EspenK]

Wow. Way to take that tidbit and run to an illogical conclusion.


True. But he did make the jump, and as CBJSlash points out, directly from juniors to the Big Show. And he managed to stay for 10 years.


And that Gehrig fellow is all washed up too. Just can't compete in the game today. Father Time, and the toll on a body, they is a *****.

The point is that Boll had some offensive potential in his youth. It didn't make the jump to the NHL with him and his scoring did not elevate, so he looked around and found a niche that would allow him to contribute to the team. It wasn't just as a goon, he was a good energy guy and forechecker.
I see no reason to denigrate a man's entire career because a) his energy level and physical abilities have diminished over time and b) he never filled a role that everyone desperately wanted him to fill, but did find a role that needed filling.

 

[major major]

and the pendulum wildly swings the other direction...

We were the 27th best team last year.

I like Anderson.

You can try to delete it from your memory, but Boll was visible every shift his first four years in the NHL. Anderson has been practically invisible in the NHL in his call-ups. IMO Rychel was more visible. Not a diss on Anderson, it doesn't mean he won't be the better player. Doesn't mean he will either.

He needs significant development in his game to be a top 9 player in this NHL. The idea of protecting him based on his potential right now is silly to me. He has to show he can play. Does he skate well enough to play top 6 or defend on a shutdown line? Does he have the playmaking ability? Is he just a net front presence on the powerplay or a roster full of net front presences?

A big summer ahead for him.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. Questioning his skating ability is a pretty big red flag. He's a very fast player, and I'd call him a complete skater.

Anderson can do everything that Boll ever did, and so much more. His skills have kept improving to the point I'd call him at least an average puckhandler. Watch this from game 4. That's not even his most impressive rush of the game. The only worry I've had about him is his weak finishing ability, but this year that might be changing. His playmaking might not be NHL average, we'll see. But I've never seen anything that made me think Jared Boll was ever above the bottom decile in that regard.

Putting up points was my only worry about this guy. I always saw him as a fourth-liner at minimum. He won the OHL coaches poll for both hardest worker and best-bodychecker. He's a diligent, coachable player. There shouldn't be any doubt that he can be an above average defensive player.

Skills-wise it's really foolish to let this guy go.

 

[Jackets16]

To be fair, Boll had 7 more games played that year. But yeah, I don't get why Anderson is being treated like some sort of major savior. I like his game, to be sure, but I'm not seeing reason why, for example, he should be a higher protection priority than Cam ****ing Atkinson.

Age and how much Cam is going to get paid on his next contract. That is why I wouldn't protect Cam (has nothing to do with Anderson).

 

[major major]

Age and how much Cam is going to get paid on his next contract. That is why I wouldn't protect Cam (has nothing to do with Anderson).

Cam's still young, but you're right that the contract situation will loom large. Anderson gives you a good 6 (?) RFA years, Atkinson gives you one year until UFA. Then we'll have to pay him $5m+ to keep him, and we are already overloaded with big forward contracts. Keep in mind, he'll hit UFA at the same time we need new deals for Murray and Jenner, and that's just the guys that need extended that summer.

 

[cbj21]

Protection list:
1. One of the goalies
2. Bjorkstrand
3. The other goalie
4. Anderson
5. rest

 

[Jackets16]

Cam's still young, but you're right that the contract situation will loom large. Anderson gives you a good 6 (?) RFA years, Atkinson gives you one year until UFA. Then we'll have to pay him $5m+ to keep him, and we are already overloaded with big forward contracts. Keep in mind, he'll hit UFA at the same time we need new deals for Murray and Jenner, and that's just the guys that need extended that summer.

By age, I mean compared to our younger guys. I just think we need to spend our money in other places.

 

[MAHJ71]

By age, I mean compared to our younger guys. I just think we need to spend our money in other places.

I'll reserve judgement to see if Cam matches or beats last year..

 

[JKinCLE]

Not going to try and predict/project stats for Anderson since this is a hartnell thread, but he WILL be a huge part of the team in the near future when they are ready to win. Anderson is a winner, has proven to be to be one at every level. Don't write him off as your everyday 4th line plug...

Boll comparisons are laughable.

 

[cslebn]

Just have to comment, that with what Backes signed for then Hartnell really ought to be worth more than the value we see on the Trade forums.

 

[blahblah]

Just have to comment, that with what Backes signed for then Hartnell really ought to be worth more than the value we see on the Trade forums.

I really see no correlation. Backes was signed for an asset - dollars. He wasn't traded for. At that point it for more than just dollars, it has additional assets.

That's before we even get into things like age.

 

[major major]

Protection list:
1. One of the goalies
2. Bjorkstrand
3. The other goalie
4. Anderson
5. rest

Bjorkstrand exempt.

 

[NotWendell]

Bjorkstrand exempt.

And I think we're only allowed to protect one goalie.

 

[CBJSlash]

He's a very fast player

Yes, we'll disagree.


There was not a glimpse of this "speed" in an NHL game. The game moves faster in the NHL than the AHL... will he?

It seems I've found the 2016-2017 mancrush of the year.

I like the player. He has a lot of proving to do before he can skate 12 minutes in the NHL on a regular basis. If he can't do that after 82 games, I can't imagine us protecting him over some of the others on our roster. At this point, I'd peg him as a slower, smarter Jason Chimera.