Friedman: Friedman and Marek - 'If the Canucks decide to move Schenn they will receive a lot'

[Petes2424]

I missed this interview but when he said ‘would receive a lot’ was he speaking in terms of interest? That would make much more sense than they were going to receive ‘a lot in return.’

 

[CapsFrontOffice]

It's all good and I am not trying to be so antagonistic with my reply so I'll apologize if it came acorss as such

Here's the thing with a player like Schenn.

Every year the league has 3-7 of these players that fans claim will have no value or are low value players. Only to see them net handsome returns at the TDL or prior to by teams looking to load up early and build that chemistry. The amount of teams we've seen spend a 1st, or a 2nd and a prospect on players like Schenn every year is kind of insane.

Chiarot is just one of them. Every single year.

2022, Rakell for Reese, Simon and a 2nd
2022, Copp and a 6th for two 2nds a 5th and Barron
2021, Lashoff for a 1st and 3rd.
2020, Skej for a 1st
2020, Martinez for two seconds
2020, Coleman for Foote and a 1st
2020, Zucker for Galchenyuk, Addison and a 1st

We have to start understanding that while players like Girodano can go for a couple 2nd round picks, some times other players like Chiarot can go for a 1st 4th and a prospect because GMs literally can not control themselves. So if Schenn goes for a 5th fine, but if Schenn goes for a 1st+ I won't be shocked at all


That's far more of an indictment on Montreal than it is a net positive.

Schenn also has multiple cups a very minimal contract and the leading hits record under his belt.

Well explained....thank you, you changed my perception of this. You backed it up well too

 

[Hierso]

2nd+4th is my bet if they decide to trade him.

The trade market is always volatile so if a contender finds themselfs down a player they might pony up a late first round pick for him but Vancouver needs some luck to make it happen, but i wouldn't bet on it.

 

[Warh1ppy]

Well explained....thank you, you changed my perception of this. You backed it up well too

I loathe forums some times because it seems every opinion needs to be hyper polarizing and people refuse to actually discuss differing points of view. So it's nice to have an actual conversation that isn't just devolving in to my team vs your team vs my opinion

GMs just refuse to control themselves. With cap space and free agency signings and trading for depth players. Some GMs luck out and get quality pieces and additions for moderate prices and other GMs do foolish things and blow common sense out of the water

I happen to have a preferred team that over the last decade tends towards the latter.

So while I don't think Schenn is worth a high price like multiple picks/prospects. I also don't think it is out of the realms of possibility for him to get that level of return.

 

[UrbanImpact]

I missed this interview but when he said ‘would receive a lot’ was he speaking in terms of interest? That would make much more sense than they were going to receive ‘a lot in return.’

The quote is fromMarek..

"If they decide to move Luke Schenn, they are going to get a lot "

as in the return will be substantial.

Starts at around 12min 20 secs

The Jeff Marek Show

Sportsnet insider Jeff Marek goes around the league in Sportsnet 590 The FAN’s national NHL show, airing live across the country daily from 12pm-2pm ET. Opinion, news and analysis featuring daily segments from insider Elliotte Friedman.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

The quote is fromMarek..

"If they decide to move Luke Schenn, they are going to get a lot "

as in the return will be substantial.

Starts at around 12min 20 secs

The Jeff Marek Show

Sportsnet insider Jeff Marek goes around the league in Sportsnet 590 The FAN’s national NHL show, airing live across the country daily from 12pm-2pm ET. Opinion, news and analysis featuring daily segments from insider Elliotte Friedman.

www.sportsnet.ca

What does alot mean, considering that Schenn is a bottom pairing guy, alot could be a 2nd or 3rd rounder really, I seriously doubt we get a 1st for him, people like to bring up Chiarot but that was in a completely different draft, not even close to as deep as this years.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

Yes he is all time hits leader but you dont even need to look outside the scope,

This year , right now, he is 2nd in the league in hits with 108. Deslaurier leads the league with 114

Schenn is straight up an eraser on the blue line.

Hahahahhahahahahaha

No one on this team that absolutely bleeds goals is a …. “Straight up eraser on the blue line”.

No need to exaggerate.

 

[canadianmagpie]

It's strange that the Canucks never really seem to sell their UFAs at a good price. I thought the way Motte played last season, he would have gotten more than a 4th (a 3rd is what I thought he'd get at worse).

With Schenn, he's been reliable as a pairing with Hughes. I'd love it if they got a late 1st, would be happy with a 2nd, satisfied with a 3rd but anything less would be a disappointment.

 

[Jay26]

Can’t wait for some dumb GM to pony up a 1st + for him at the deadline.

Can things like that happen to the Canucks??

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Schenn is playing top pairing with Hughes and looking great.


There will probably be a few teams offering a 2nd and one will offer a 6th or even a 5th to get it done.

17-18 minutes is 3rd pair time, which will likely drop to 15-16 on his eventual destination.

If the Bruins offer a 3rd to have him as our #7 over Zboril/Stralman it would be a welcome addition.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Wanted the Pens to trade for him before they signed Rutta. Thought he’s be a perfect 3rd pairing guy. Not someone I’d overpay for.

 

[Canucks LB]

I don’t think people truly understand how much he has completely evolved his career in the past three years, he’s the latest of the late bloomers I have ever seen.

A true pro, character person, hits like a truck, he’s tall, and he’s a cup winner. Multiple times, no joke, people in Vancouver were hinting at him, becoming the next captain, if he was not so old.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

I don’t think people truly understand how much he has completely evolved his career in the past three years, he’s the latest of the late bloomers I have ever seen.

A true pro, character person, hits like a truck, he’s tall, and he’s a cup winner. Multiple times, no joke, people in Vancouver were hinting at him, becoming the next captain, if he was not so old.

Who was saying this?

 

[Canucks LB]

Who was saying this?

Just a few posts here and there

 

[CraigBillington]

Schenn will be this years Chiarot.

No he won't be. In Canuck fashion, he will break his hand in a fight in February and then remain with the team

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Just a few posts here and there

Ahhh ok.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Which is kind of wild if you think about it.

For better or for worse, Cap Hits seem to matter more than anything else when looking at the value of a player

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

It's all good and I am not trying to be so antagonistic with my reply so I'll apologize if it came acorss as such

Here's the thing with a player like Schenn.

Every year the league has 3-7 of these players that fans claim will have no value or are low value players. Only to see them net handsome returns at the TDL or prior to by teams looking to load up early and build that chemistry. The amount of teams we've seen spend a 1st, or a 2nd and a prospect on players like Schenn every year is kind of insane.

Chiarot is just one of them. Every single year.

2022, Rakell for Reese, Simon and a 2nd
2022, Copp and a 6th for two 2nds a 5th and Barron
2021, Lashoff for a 1st and 3rd.
2020, Skej for a 1st
2020, Martinez for two seconds
2020, Coleman for Foote and a 1st
2020, Zucker for Galchenyuk, Addison and a 1st

We have to start understanding that while players like Girodano can go for a couple 2nd round picks, some times other players like Chiarot can go for a 1st 4th and a prospect because GMs literally can not control themselves. So if Schenn goes for a 5th fine, but if Schenn goes for a 1st+ I won't be shocked at all


That's far more of an indictment on Montreal than it is a net positive.

Schenn also has multiple cups a very minimal contract and the leading hits record under his belt.

One comment. Your list has some apples and oranges in that half of them were not pending UFAs like
- Skjei he was a top 4 defenseman with 4+ years left on his deal when he was traded
- Zucker had 3+ years left on his deal when traded.
- Coleman had 1+ yearsso it's quite a different situation than many/most on your list.

They weren't all pending UFA like Chiarot, Rackell, Copp, Savard (Lashoff wasn't who the deal was for), Martinez, and now Schenn.

I agree with your overall point though that it won't shock me if he goes for a 1st+ given how GMs operate, just commenting that some of those on the list aren't really the typical TDL rental that was overpaid for.

 

[DFC]

Honestly... He made an impact when he played in TB's cup runs, particularly the first one, and I would like to have him back. Not at a huge price, but he definitely made a difference.

 

[Warh1ppy]

One comment. Your list has some apples and oranges in that half of them were not pending UFAs like
- Skjei he was a top 4 defenseman with 4+ years left on his deal when he was traded
- Zucker had 3+ years left on his deal when traded.
- Coleman had 1+ yearsso it's quite a different situation than many/most on your list.

They weren't all pending UFA like Chiarot, Rackell, Copp, Savard (Lashoff wasn't who the deal was for), Martinez, and now Schenn.

I agree with your overall point though that it won't shock me if he goes for a 1st+ given how GMs operate, just commenting that some of those on the list aren't really the typical TDL rental that was overpaid for.

The list wasn't one of age, term or cap.

Just players nobody thought were worth what they got. I remember lurking through all those threads.

The Miller thread last year is a perfect example. Everyone thought they were gonna get the moon for him, yet a guy like chiarot and copp got the return instead for another team.

GMs are funny creatures

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

I think "a lot" is being dramatic. "A lot" for a 5th/6th d-man? Sure. Relative though, he won't bring back a 1st round pick I don't believe.

 

[Stephen]

Jeff Marek can be so cringeworthy when he tries to be profound like this.

Yes, Luke Schenn could provide a lot of value as a rental at his cap hit, to a team like mine. But he would be the media inflated name brand version of Ben Chiarot coming from a Canadian market as opposed to a No Name version of the same thing that you could probably find for a more affordable price like an Ilya Lyubushkin.

 

[Peen]

Honestly... He made an impact when he played in TB's cup runs, particularly the first one, and I would like to have him back. Not at a huge price, but he definitely made a difference.

He is noticeably better than he was at that time as well. There is obviously some fatigue that shows in the way he labors when he plays too much, but on a cup team, he is on a bottom pair playing 15-17 minutes instead anyways.

Quite an impressive late phase of his career.

 

[Primary Assist]

He's a 5D paid like a 7D. Hugely valuable to a contender, not quite so valuable to Vancouver. Yep, gonna bring in a good haul, which the Canucks will then squander

 

[RebuildinVan]

No he won't be. In Canuck fashion, he will break his hand in a fight in February and then remain with the team

You forgot the part where the Canucks extend him first