Post-Game Talk: Free Falling Jets lose 2-1

[kanadalainen]

Post-game media availability:

Holy shit, the body language. This is a funereal proceeding

 

[kanadalainen]

Maurice saying that the Jets are "on the right path"
This is a load off everyone's mind, alright....

 

[Ducky10]

Maybe Morrissey was carrying Trouba, considering how much Jake has sucked ass in NY.

 

[Jets 31]

Time to put Scheifele back in the slot for our PP as well, Stastny or Wheeler beside, behind the net to feed Scheifele for the onetimer . That worked pretty well before and when you go 0-6 on the PP in a game , you need to change it up .

 

[kanadalainen]

Can someone photoshop a paper bag on my avatar?

 

[Jets 31]

Maybe Morrissey was carrying Trouba, considering how much Jake has sucked ass in NY.

Like the new avatar but i miss seeing Ducky .

 

[Jets 31]

Maybe Morrissey was carrying Trouba, considering how much Jake has sucked ass in NY.

Morrissey wasn't only our best defenseman last night he was our best player period.

 

[DRW204]

Maybe Morrissey was carrying Trouba, considering how much Jake has sucked ass in NY.

they both had great chemistry together and both should liekly be thanking each other for the contracts they inked.

trouba had pretty good on-ice results with stuart in a top4 role (the proportion he faced top 6-fwds was basically the same as most dmen, slightly above in 13-14 and 14-15) . and had to carry beaulieu in 18-19 when he was pretty much last Dman-standing.

 

[Do or Die]

Morrissey and Pionk are fine.......especially if not attached to boat anchors..

 

[BoneDocUK]

Well, gud to know that ol’ coach remains un-Dante’d.

The "right path" PoMo thinks his team are on sure looks different from all the way down in the lower circles, where us fans are living presently.

 

[surixon]

he's 13th in cap hit (sorry i put 12th before) and 4th(!) in actual compensation this year. id qualify that as close to high-end $$$

morrissey QoT is not terrible. remember it takes into account Fwds too. yes his partner is bad. but his individual play isolated from his partner is also terrible. he's also paid a lot of dough, he should be elevating his line.

look at how ehlers elevates each line he's on for example. even perreault when he's in the bottom-6. scheifele played w/ apples and copp for a couple games lol and we all know scheifele is a shell of what he used to be rewind to 16-17 scheifele would still produce no matter who he was with (wheeler, laine, ehlers, perreault for example). it's time to consider Morrissey might be a shell of what he sued to be too or perhaps we gave him to much credit considering who he was paired with for most of his career prior to that deal being inked.

even scheifele-appleton-copp were getting chances. nearly 56% in CF and xGF. the GF is what was lacking, which is lacking everywhere on this team.

Even Ehelers had a hard time when forced to play with Thor. Ehelers has been asked to carry top 6 caliber talents this year which is A far cry then carrying a replacement level player that Morrissey has had to carry.

I brought this up in the coaching thread but even elite number 1 franchise Norris winning Drew Doughty posted pretty shitty metrics compared to the rest of his team last year when being forced to carry crappy partners in Ben Hutton, Sean Walker and an ancient Alec Martinez. His play was seen as so bad that there was a bunch of talk of him playing his way off the Olympics.

Fast forward to this year where he is playing with one of their best young defensive prospects in Anderson and his metrics have jumped right back up. If a good partner matters to a Norris winner then it damn well matters to a dmen of Morrissey's caliber.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Can someone photoshop a paper bag on my avatar?

If people who photoshop are taking requests...

 

[Jet]

Watching Forbort lumber around the ice for 18 minutes is excruciating. Poolman was a complete and utter mess. Stanley messes up at a crucial time.

I'm waiting for anything close to a rational explanation as to why Samberg and Heinola wouldn't improve this defense. Just terrible, terrible D.

If the Jets forwards produce like they should we're at least 500 in this last 8 game stretch. The d needs improvement but that's not our problem right now

 

[blueandgoldguy]

The gm likely is just listening to his coach in terms of what Maurice wants.

I'd put 10 percent on Chevy... 90 on Maurice. Ppl need to accept it's Winnipeg plus covid = good luck getting anyone with a NMC or NTC to come here. Buff retiring screwed Chevy. This D with buff is probably better. By how much who knows. You don't replace buff tho via free agency or trade. You have to draft your own.. we have 2 maybe 3 guys who are likely no worse than poolman and Forbort but at this rate we will never know since the guy in charge of who plays prefers the shitty vets.

It will always be an uphill battle getting players to come to Winnipeg, I agree with you there. However, there was a perfect opportunity in the off-season to trade for a top-4 d-man without a NMC or NTC in Devon Toews from the Islanders. When I saw what he went for - two second round draft picks - my immediate thought was that this is a missed opportunity by Chevy to address a significant need. Imagine what a difference having Toews in our top - 4 for a full season would have versus Tucker Poolman.

Given the fact Chevy had recently given up 2 first round picks, plus prospects/depth for 6+ weeks of regular season games for each of Stastny and Hayes, a couple of seconds (or equivalent) for an entire season of a proven top-4 defenseman should have been a no-brainer. Plus there would have been an opportunity for an extension, and likely at a very reasonable rate given what he signed for in Colorado.

Toews Pionk
Morrissey Demelo

This would be a respectable top-4 and probably gives the Jets an average d-core with room to move into the top-10 D across the league dependent on how well Heinola, Samberg and Stanley play in the NHL.

 

[Daximus]

I was not happy with his play last year or the first 25 or so games this year. I am happy with his individual play the last 20 or so games and if he keeps playing like he has been he will post good results with a competent partner.

He is not being paid elite dmen cash so expecting him to carry replacement caliber players behind our weak as hell defensive forward core is not something I'm I'm going to bash him for if he keeps his recent form up.

Go look around the league how many similarly paid dmen have a partner near as bad? Most good dmen have a good partner, quality of teammates matter and there is no shame if Morrissey is just one half of a good pairing moving forward.

How much worse would Mark look if he had to carry around Thompson and Lewis game in and game out? Heck we saw how offensively inept he looked playing with Appelton and Copp who are third line talents. Talent generally requires talent to play with unless you are a McDavid or Crosby that can turn plungers into stars.

It's no secret that when he spends more time with Neal Pionk that all the sudden he looks better.

 

[Daximus]

It will always be an uphill battle getting players to come to Winnipeg, I agree with you there. However, there was a perfect opportunity in the off-season to trade for a top-4 d-man without a NMC or NTC in Devon Toews from the Islanders. When I saw what he went for - two second round draft picks - my immediate thought was that this is a missed opportunity by Chevy to address a significant need. Imagine what a difference having Toews in our top - 4 for a full season would have versus Tucker Poolman.

Given the fact Chevy had recently given up 2 first round picks, plus prospects/depth for 6+ weeks of regular season games for each of Stastny and Hayes, a couple of seconds (or equivalent) for an entire season of a proven top-4 defenseman should have been a no-brainer. Plus there would have been an opportunity for an extension, and likely at a very reasonable rate given what he signed for in Colorado.

Toews Pionk
Morrissey Demelo

This would be a respectable top-4 and probably gives the Jets an average d-core with room to move into the top-10 D across the league dependent on how well Heinola, Samberg and Stanley play in the NHL.

From the outside it looks like we should be in on those deals. I mean I would have easily given up a first for Toews, I'm sure someone else would have too.

But as we've seen on the inside sometimes teams don't call everyone. GM's are weird. When Boston was trading Seguin, they didn't shop him around the league at all. They called one specific team, Dallas. That was it. No doubt they could have gotten a lot more for him had they shopped him around the league. Sometimes I think GM's have this weird IOU system where they have handshake agreements with other GM's in backroom type situations. It's really tough to know the nuances behind every trade when you don't know the relationships behind the people making those deals.

 

[DRW204]

lol comparing rookie 19 ehlers to 26 year old vet Morrissey, who has had had over 350 NHL pro games experience. seriously

we can put examples of players-carry-players till the cows home

if you have stats or on-ice results to show morrissey has been consistently good, top 10-15 LHD level over the past 2 years would love to see them. otherwise he's been one of the worst performers on this team relative to teh cap hit.

Even Ehelers had a hard time when forced to play with Thor. Ehelers has been asked to carry top 6 caliber talents this year which is A far cry then carrying a replacement level player that Morrissey has had to carry.

I brought this up in the coaching thread but even elite number 1 franchise Norris winning Drew Doughty posted pretty shitty metrics compared to the rest of his team last year when being forced to carry crappy partners in Ben Hutton, Sean Walker and an ancient Alec Martinez. His play was seen as so bad that there was a bunch of talk of him playing his way off the Olympics.

Fast forward to this year where he is playing with one of their best young defensive prospects in Anderson and his metrics have jumped right back up. If a good partner matters to a Norris winner then it damn well matters to a dmen of Morrissey's caliber.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Even Ehelers had a hard time when forced to play with Thor. Ehelers has been asked to carry top 6 caliber talents this year which is A far cry then carrying a replacement level player that Morrissey has had to carry.

I brought this up in the coaching thread but even elite number 1 franchise Norris winning Drew Doughty posted pretty shitty metrics compared to the rest of his team last year when being forced to carry crappy partners in Ben Hutton, Sean Walker and an ancient Alec Martinez. His play was seen as so bad that there was a bunch of talk of him playing his way off the Olympics.

Fast forward to this year where he is playing with one of their best young defensive prospects in Anderson and his metrics have jumped right back up. If a good partner matters to a Norris winner then it damn well matters to a dmen of Morrissey's caliber.

If only we had a great young D prospect.

 

[Ducky10]

Like the new avatar but i miss seeing Ducky .

Blame the Jets.

Hell’ll be back, the Jets aren’t worthy of his avvy at the moment,

 

[surixon]

It's no secret that when he spends more time with Neal Pionk that all the sudden he looks better.

Yeah good players play well with good players.

 

[surixon]

If only we had a great young D prospect.

Yeah I know, too bad that Heinola is bum and on his way to bustville. That Samberg is pretty poor himself as well.

 

[surixon]

lol comparing rookie 19 ehlers to 26 year old vet Morrissey, who has had had over 350 NHL pro games experience. seriously

we can put examples of players-carry-players till the cows home

if you have stats or on-ice results to show morrissey has been consistently good, top 10-15 LHD level over the past 2 years would love to see them. otherwise he's been one of the worst performers on this team relative to teh cap hit.

I don't believe I have argued that he has been consistently good. Sure you are correct on the metric part but out of any skater on this roster he has been put in the biggest position to fail by our coaching staff so really should we be all that surprised that he has looked more bad then good? As of lately since he got his game right he has looked good on the ice visually and his metrics look good when played with a competent partner.

The goal should always be to put players in a position where they can succeed and if you do that with Morrissey next year with a competent partner and he continues his recent play he will pot his 40 points while posting strong underlying metrics and very few will have an issue with him or his contract.

 

[Daximus]

Yeah good players play well with good players.

Yeah there is really no excuse as to why Heinola hasn't been given a good shot at this point. We are desperate and haven't even tried him out for an extended period of time with anyone.

 

[surixon]

Yeah there is really no excuse as to why Heinola hasn't been given a good shot at this point. We are desperate and haven't even tried him out for an extended period of time with anyone.

Maurice's decisions this year have been terrible. What a waste of a season its turning out to be. Here we could have been creating chemistry with Heinola and Morrissey and even Samberg and Pionk down the stretch or we could have used Heiola and Samberg as a pairing (They played a lot together and were effective on the Moose) and Morrissey and Pionk who looked real good together last night.

Just bozo land roster usage and we will have nothing to show for it.

 

[John Agar]

Does Po' Mo' have red hot flame eyes... ?

And does He answer to the name Dante.... ?



Is MTS Centre one of the gates to hell... ?

What's next Chevy... will you draft a defenseman named Orcagna... ?