Free Agent/Trade Thread 14-15 Post Season V.38 : June Edition

[Swervin81]

Babcock wasn't coming here, oh.. wait

that isn't going to get old anytime soon

Also - Babcock said the Boys will come home

Coach, player. Huge difference. Last Toronto born star player to come here in FA? Geez, I can't remember. I don't think it's even happened in this millenium, even when we had good teams and no cap. And I'm not talking about washed up guys like Lindros, Nieuwendyk, or Peca.

 

[Durrr]

People never learn... it's amazing actually.

Events like the Babcock signing keep defying what I think is possible with this team, so who knows lol.

Stamkos isn't coming here though.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Coach, player. Huge difference. Last Toronto born star player to come here in FA? Geez, I can't remember. I don't think it's even happened in this millenium, even when we had good teams and no cap. And I'm not talking about washed up guys like Lindros, Nieuwendyk, or Peca.

twas a joke.

partially.
like I do not believe that we're getting Stamkos but it sounds like Babcock is going to make that a goal of his or something the way he sounded during the Prime Time Sports interview. (not - specifically directed to Stamkos, but basically, Ontario Born Boys coming home).

the also partial joke is - in regards to coach vs player, the sentiment was 100 percent there. we all flat out came out that we didn't think Babcock was coming here. And then he signed here. Again. I don't believe Stamkos is going to go from the Penthouse to someone who is building up all over again basically from the ground up. that doesn't make career sense. but who knows.

 

[pspot]

If kessel goes somewhere and 3rd wheels like bosh and wins good for him. Still won't change my opinion of him as a player

 

[Mess]

Ryan O'Reilly is apparently officially on the market and Avs are listening to offers.

This is a player the Leafs really should try and get.

Avs need defense and Phaneuf is for sale and Gardiner could be had also.

Kadri + Gardiner + #24 for ROR + prospect + #10 overall under the condition that ROR agrees to a long term extension first.

I believe contracts talks can begin June 24th (UFA and RFA courting period) but could not be made official until July 1st under the terms of the CBA.

 

[Amadeus]

Ryan O'Reilly is apparently officially on the market and Avs are listening to offers.

This is a player the Leafs really should try and get.

Avs need defense and Phaneuf is for sale and Gardiner could be had also.

Kadri + Gardiner + #24 for ROR + prospect + #10 overall under the condition that ROR agrees to a long term extension first.

I believe contracts talks can begin June 24th (UFA and RFA courting period) but could not be made official until July 1st under the terms of the CBA.

I don't think Colorado does that, Mess, as much as I would love for them to.

Toronto should try to gauge if they'll have interest in Kessel. I'd entertain:

Kessel
Polak
24th

for

ROR
10th
Cap Dump

 

[dubplatepressure]

Ryan O'Reilly is apparently officially on the market and Avs are listening to offers.

This is a player the Leafs really should try and get.

Avs need defense and Phaneuf is for sale and Gardiner could be had also.

Kadri + Gardiner + #24 for ROR + prospect + #10 overall under the condition that ROR agrees to a long term extension first.

I believe contracts talks can begin June 24th (UFA and RFA courting period) but could not be made official until July 1st under the terms of the CBA.

Why? What's your thought on ROR in 3 years @ 27 years old? Will he be more like Patty Sharp or more like Mike Richards? Or neither? I just don't get this ROR hype.

 

[CerebralDevil]

I don't think Colorado does that, Mess, as much as I would love for them to.

Toronto should try to gauge if they'll have interest in Kessel. I'd entertain:

Kessel
Polak
24th

for

ROR
10th
Cap Dump

Ya I think Colorado is looking for a LHD to play along side of EJ who is a RHD. I would think that Phaneuf is something they desperately need to play against the big Western division rivals especially Winnipeg, St.Louis, Nashville, and Minnesota.
Toronto: ROR,
Colorado: Phaneuf and a late draft pick that could bump up or down depending on ROR if he resigns, now if their is a deal before hand that he will resign in Toronto the draft pick can move up to a 2015 3rd or 2016 2nd but I do not think TML want to deal any 2015 draft picks

 

[Mess]

Why? What's your thought on ROR in 3 years @ 27 years old? Will he be more like Patty Sharp or more like Mike Richards? Or neither? I just don't get this ROR hype.

Ryan O'Reilly (Born Feb 7 1991) for Nazem Kadri (Born Oct 6 1990) or Jake Gardiner (Born Jul 4 1990 ) is making the Toronto team younger. I thought that was the goal of this rebuild.

Ryan O'Reilly .. 2014-15 - Colorado Avalanche .. NHL .. 82 games 17 goals 38 assists 55 points
verses
Nazem Kadri .. 2014-15 - Toronto Maple Leafs .. NHL .. 73 games 18 goals 21 assists 39 points

So this suggestion makes the Leafs younger and better and the #10th overall pick (Rantanen, Zacha, Werenski) is much better than the #24th overall pick in this draft.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Ryan O'Reilly (Born Feb 7 1991) for Nazem Kadri (Born Oct 6 1990) or Jake Gardiner (Born Jul 4 1990 ) is making the Toronto team younger. I thought that was the goal of this rebuild.

Ryan O'Reilly .. 2014-15 - Colorado Avalanche .. NHL .. 82 games 17 goals 38 assists 55 points
verses
Nazem Kadri .. 2014-15 - Toronto Maple Leafs .. NHL .. 73 games 18 goals 21 assists 39 points

So this suggestion makes the Leafs younger and better.

Whoa... for Kadri?! My goodness I can't think of many worse moves we could make. If anything we should be spending assets for futures. Let's overlook the monstrous difference in offensive linemate quality between two. Why are we moving for in-prime players? I think ROR plays more wing now anyway doesn't he?

Gardiner at most. But Kadri, Phaneuf or Kessel? Not a chance.

 

[Mess]

I don't think Colorado does that, Mess, as much as I would love for them to.

Toronto should try to gauge if they'll have interest in Kessel. I'd entertain:

Kessel
Polak
24th

for

ROR
10th
Cap Dump

Colorado is not on Kessel list NTC list and Avs have a lot of offense already and are in more need of defense.

How about ROR for JVR?

 

[CerebralDevil]

Whoa... for Kadri?! My goodness I can't think of many worse moves we could make. If anything we should be spending assets for futures. Let's overlook the monstrous difference in offensive linemate quality between two. Why are we moving for in-prime players? I think ROR plays more wing now anyway doesn't he?

Gardiner at most. But Kadri, Phaneuf or Kessel? Not a chance.

I think your wrong about a possible Phaneuf deal. He would fit nicely into what they need and probably look good with the Avalanche. They desperately need a LHD that can eat minutes and play rugged against top lines, Phaneuf fits the bill. Now as for Kadri I don't get the lets trade him, he is still young and progressing and probably get better under Babcock.

 

[Erndog]

Colorado is not on Kessel list NTC list and Avs have a lot of offense already and are in more need of defense.

How about ROR for JVR?

So you offer JVR?

What's the point in sideways moves like this. They don't accomplish anything. Take from your left hand, to give to your right.

 

[desperateblue]

Why would we want ror?
He need alot more than one player and he doesnt really fit the rebuild.
If he hits ufa id sign him but i wouldbt trade assets for him or seabrook or any other current roster players.
We need picks n prospects

 

[Mess]

So you offer JVR?

What's the point in sideways moves like this. They don't accomplish anything. Take from your left hand, to give to your right.

My thinking is the AVS have good centre depth ROR, Duchene and MacKinnon and might need more help on the wings.

I'd like to figure out how to make it a bigger trade where we get the #10 and give them #24.

ROR + #10 + ? for JVR + 24th + Gardiner etc.

 

[dubplatepressure]

I think your wrong about a possible Phaneuf deal. He would fit nicely into what they need and probably look good with the Avalanche. They desperately need a LHD that can eat minutes and play rugged against top lines, Phaneuf fits the bill. Now as for Kadri I don't get the lets trade him, he is still young and progressing and probably get better under Babcock.

Yah sure I don't disagree with that, but that neither your nor my point. The point is that we shouldn't be giving players away for players unless they're under 23 and fit the rebuild. 1 year of ROR or multiple years at +$7M/year for a 55 pt player is not something conducive to a rebuild IMO.

Phaneuf for the 10th OA + I'm all for.

 

[Erndog]

My thinking is the AVS have good centre depth ROR, Duchene and MacKinnon and might need more help on the wings.

I'd like to figure out how to make it a bigger trade where we get the #10 and give them #24.

ROR + #10 + ? for JVR + 24th + Gardiner etc.

They've shifted ROR to wing.

That solves that.

 

[pspot]

IMO JVR and Gardiner is close for ROR and 10

Leafs add a smaller pièce but not 24th.

 

[CerebralDevil]

I know this has been mentioned but I think this seriously has to be looked at. Stamkos and the TBL are in serious cap trouble and I just don't see how they can keep this team together?
Players (53)
Forwards (11) | $32,705,831 | 47%
Steven Stamkos C 25 $7,500,000 NMC UFAUFA
Ryan Callahan RW 30 $5,800,000 NMC $5,800,000 NMC $5,800,000 NMC $5,800,000 NMC $5,800,000 NMC ...
Valtteri Filppula C 31 $5,000,000 NMC $5,000,000 NMC $5,000,000 NMC UFAUFA
Tyler Johnson C 24 $3,333,333 $3,333,333 RFARFA
Ondrej Palat LW 24 $3,333,333 $3,333,333 RFARFA
Alex Killorn C 25 $2,550,000 RFARFA
Brian Boyle C 30 $2,000,000 $2,000,000 UFAUFA
Brenden Morrow LW 36 UFAUFA
J.T. Brown RW 24 $950,000 RFARFA
Vladislav Namestnikov C 22 RFARFA
Jonathan Drouin LW 20 $894,166 $894,166 RFARFA
Nikita Kucherov RW 21 $711,666 RFARFA
Cedric Paquette C 21 $633,333 RFARFA

Defensemen (6) | $26,707,142 | 38%
Matthew Carle D 30 $5,500,000 NTC $5,500,000 NTC $5,500,000 NTC UFAUFA
Jason Garrison D 30 $4,600,000 NTC $4,600,000 NTC $4,600,000 NTC UFAUFA
Braydon Coburn D 30 $4,500,000 NTC UFAUFA
Anton Stralman D 28 $4,500,000 NTC $4,500,000 NTC $4,500,000 NTC $4,500,000 NTC UFAUFA
Victor Hedman D 24 $4,000,000 $4,000,000 UFAUFA
Mattias Ohlund D 38 $3,607,142 NMC UFAUFA
Mark Barberio D 25 RFARFA
Andrej Sustr D 24 RFARFA
Luke Witkowski D 25 RFARFA

Goalies (2) | $6,875,000 | 9%
Ben Bishop G 28 $5,950,000 NMC $5,950,000 NMC UFAUFA
Andrei Vasilevskiy G 20 $925,000 $925,000
Seriously how can they resign Coopers favorite Triplette line, Headman or Vasilevskiy, Killorn or Palat?????
Now I'm seriously thinking a Stamkos trade or UFA signing is possible.

 

[desperateblue]

Whats the point in having ror if we have to trade our good wingers to get him?
Whos he gonna play with komarov and panik.

I dont think we need roster players over 22-23 yrs old

 

[Stats01]

Whats the point in having ror if we have to trade our good wingers to get him?
Whos he gonna play with komarov and panik.

I dont think we need roster players over 22-23 yrs old

I totally agree, if we're trading guys like JVR, we should be moving him for max value in futures. Not roster players. I want picks

We could get #10 for JVR straight up without adding in all these other parts.

 

[Stand Witness]

We all know there will be big changes coming in Chicago. I was trying to throw something together where they actually improve the team instead of subtracting from it.

JVR

for

Pokka
Schmaltz
Bickell
2nd (2015/2016)

and then a trade with MTL

Sharp

for

1st MTL
prospect

 

[Ricky Bobby]

ROR simply doesn't make sense for the Leafs.

We're simply too many pieces and too many years away to give up the assets it'd take to acquire him.

Management has publicly stated that we need to get more picks and we're looking at a 3-5 year job of turning this around.

Trying to expedite the rebuild when it isn't ready to happen is what got us in this mess in the 1st place.

ROR can walk after next season. We aren't winning anything next season and if anything should be aiming to bottom out.

Even if we added ROR then extended him he'd take up a lot of cap space on a 7 or 8 year deal that we can't use elsewhere and we'd have dealt out a lot to get him. That's lost cap space + lost cheap contracts that it'd take to get him well we win absolutely nothing with him over most of his prime years.

In another few years after we've gone through the pain of bottoming out for a few years and accumulated lots of picks/prospects then we can look at adding a player like ROR.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Whats the point in having ror if we have to trade our good wingers to get him?
Whos he gonna play with komarov and panik.

I dont think we need roster players over 22-23 yrs old

So people can blame someone new?

This team is at a stage where it needs to be gutted and we need to be focusing on accumulating as many picks/prospects over the next few drafts.

It started this past deadline when we didn't make serious contract offers to Franson, Winnik, Santorelli because getting picks for them was more valuable and I expect this trend to continue.

In 3 or 4 years the only guy left from the current roster might be Rielly.

 

[Sittler 27]

Ryan O'Reilly (Born Feb 7 1991) for Nazem Kadri (Born Oct 6 1990) or Jake Gardiner (Born Jul 4 1990 ) is making the Toronto team younger. I thought that was the goal of this rebuild.

Ryan O'Reilly .. 2014-15 - Colorado Avalanche .. NHL .. 82 games 17 goals 38 assists 55 points
verses
Nazem Kadri .. 2014-15 - Toronto Maple Leafs .. NHL .. 73 games 18 goals 21 assists 39 points

So this suggestion makes the Leafs younger and better and the #10th overall pick (Rantanen, Zacha, Werenski) is much better than the #24th overall pick in this draft.

Well, when you put it that way alright then.