GDT: Free Agent Frenzy

[Shaman464]

the real question is what if someone signs Veleno to a $15 million offer sheet and the entire Wings front office drops dead out of pure shock and then someone signs Seider and Raymond to $4 million offer sheets but there's nobody around to match them because the entire Wings front office died from the shock of the Veleno offer sheet

The Burke technique. Classic.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

For context, Michael Rasmussen was seventh in face offs taken for Detroit last season. He took 500 less faceoffs than Veleno, roughly half as many as Fischer, about 100 less than Czarnik, who played about half as many games in the NHL.

the real question is what if someone signs Veleno to a $15 million offer sheet and the entire Wings front office drops dead out of pure shock and then someone signs Seider and Raymond to $4 million offer sheets but there's nobody around to match them because the entire Wings front office died from the shock of the Veleno offer sheet

That’s when the Sharks’ future considerations come into play. I’ll explain later.

 

[Ricelund]

@Petes2424 on what he thinks will happen:

I’ve heard all kinds of things.. It’s gonna be interesting. I think they’d love to sign a Stamkos or even Stephenson or Lindholm, but definitely won’t count out Monahan. I think they’ll go after one aggressively, and also think they’ll likely re-sign Fischer (unless he gets money somewhere) and add a player who they can get some secondary scoring and/or pace the 3rd line. Even from the wing. I think DeBrusk may price himself out of that discussion. It’ll be interesting to see what Duclair gets. But that type of player, I think they’d love.

Then I still say they’re going after two dmen. Whether that happens tomorrow or in the next few weeks, we’ll see. They want two solid, top role playing Dmen to play with the kids for the next 3-4 years. Whether that’s Roy and someone with a little offense to play with Mo, or maybe they would sign Skjei or Zadorov and keep searching for Edvinsson’s partner. I don’t think they’ll sign 2 defensive Dmen, but Edvinsson will provide more offense as things move forward, so I wouldn’t be shocked.

If the Trouba thing goes down, I’m not sure that changes their goals tomorrow. He can either play with Edvinsson or drop down on the 3rd pair. They can play around with a player like him because Edvinsson and Johansson are on ELCs.

Still think Holl and Maatta are gone and if Trouba comes, I’d almost bet Petry gets bought out too.

It’s gonna be fun. I think the #1 goal is to make sure that Top 4 is as solid as possible, with both kids carrying the pairings. Its not out of the realm of possibility Chiarot stays with Mo, maybe a Roy is signed for Edvinsson, then Trouba plays with Johansson. Then sign someone like Kylington if Ghost doesn’t come back.

I think it’s a moving goalpost type thing with 31 other teams after some of the same players, but solidifying the D is crucial.

I wouldn’t count out him taking a run at Askarov either. He wants a goaltender he can ride. If that costs ASP or even Rasmussen, I almost think he’d do it. He’d then make sure Cossa/Augustine is included in the deal, and get a young forward in return too. But there’s a deal to be made if they rate Askarov as high as many do. Yesterday I heard ASP and Cossa/Augustine for Askarov and Tomasino. I think I would do that IF they rate Askarov that highly. I can’t evaluate young goalies. Just can’t. But I know Yzerman wants one he can ride.

So we’ll see. So many moving parts.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

i edited my post and tried to make it more clear before you sent this.

Just because you get an offer sheet doesn't mean the player has to sign it. In fact, if you are an actual negotiator, then you'd take the offer sheet and show it to Yzerman as a negotiation tactic. The offer sheet could be from Seattle and it could turn out Seider hates Starbucks so he wouldn't sign it in the first place.

You are coming from an angle that you believe any offer sheet would be signed if it was a ridiculous number. Sometimes...just sometimes...people don't always go for the money to go play in a place like seattle or wherever has a lot of cap space.


it'll be fine, I'm the designated survivor for the red wings front office.

I will definitely make sure that veleno offer sheet get's signed.

Well, you wouldn’t show it, you’d just say “w got an offer from X for this. Now, we’ll let you match without going through the process or maybe work on something a bit less than that because we really like what you’re doing here.

Shaman, you’re literally coming at this from “f*** everything else, I’m getting that biggest dollar” when the person being offered the deal is important.

I mean, Steven Stamkos 8 years ago took 8x8.5 to stay in Tampa versus scrambling up to Toronto for a rumored 7x13 or 7x14 and Canadian tire NIL through the wazoo.

If Seider was outwardly frustrated with the Wings and the relationship was strained in the media… I’d be more willing to believe your hypothetical worries. But as it sits, Yzerman has shown he treats players with respect in negotations even when he plays hardball. They’re going to talk and it would have to be an insane out of hand deal for Seider to sign the OS. Not 5x9.1

 

[Detroit Knights]

Well, you wouldn’t show it, you’d just say “w got an offer from X for this. Now, we’ll let you match without going through the process or maybe work on something a bit less than that because we really like what you’re doing here.

of course. I am just trying to show a completely different side of the same coin that shaman keeps throwing out there in this doomsday scenario. Just because they get an offer sheet doesn't mean they have to sign it!

Hasn't anyone here played be a GM mode in NHL. Man

 

[Shaman464]

Well, you wouldn’t show it, you’d just say “w got an offer from X for this. Now, we’ll let you match without going through the process or maybe work on something a bit less than that because we really like what you’re doing here.

Shaman, you’re literally coming at this from “f*** everything else, I’m getting that biggest dollar” when the person being offered the deal is important.

I mean, Steven Stamkos 8 years ago took 8x8.5 to stay in Tampa versus scrambling up to Toronto for a rumored 7x13 or 7x14 and Canadian tire NIL through the wazoo.

If Seider was outwardly frustrated with the Wings and the relationship was strained in the media… I’d be more willing to believe your hypothetical worries. But as it sits, Yzerman has shown he treats players with respect in negotations even when he plays hardball. They’re going to talk and it would have to be an insane out of hand deal for Seider to sign the OS. Not 5x9.1

There are other considerations than money, obviously. Stamkos staying in Florida came with benefits like not having to deal with being in Toronto and the tax benefits. But, in the hypothetical where Yzerman offers a two year deal to his best young player that offers tens of millions of dollars of less guaranteed money for a hypothetical pay day in the future is different. Realistically I would be very surprised if Mo at least isn't locked up long term. Getting him from 23-31 at something like 8.5 million is smart business. It gets his almost his entire prime and no years of potential decline.

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

I would be nervous as hell to hand the net over to Askarov. I sure won't like handing them one of our goalie prospects and ASP to get him either.

 

[Bench]

Askarov and you shall receive, gentlemen.

 

[WaW]

I dont want Askarov mainly because Nashville seems to be way overvaluing him. I don't care what the "package" is, I ain't giving up a first, high end center prospect, or high end defense prospect for him.

Goalies don't have that sort of value. Nashville are seriously out of their minds.

 

[Ezekial]

If we sign Stamkos our PP will be unreal.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

I would be nervous as hell to hand the net over to Askarov. I sure won't like handing them one of our goalie prospects and ASP to get him either.

I can’t sit here and say I know what will or won’t happen. But I can say that a trade involving all three of Askarov, Cossa, and ASP would is such a wildly unprecedented move that I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. A team packaging a first rounder from the year prior with a goalie prospect it just selected in the first round for another team’s first round goalie prospect is just like pure EANHL discussion.

 

[KJoe88]

Well going to be a long night.

Hoping for an awesome day tomorrow. Would be nice.

 

[chances14]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807635028114829597

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

There are other considerations than money, obviously. Stamkos staying in Florida came with benefits like not having to deal with being in Toronto and the tax benefits. But, in the hypothetical where Yzerman offers a two year deal to his best young player that offers tens of millions of dollars of less guaranteed money for a hypothetical pay day in the future is different. Realistically I would be very surprised if Mo at least isn't locked up long term. Getting him from 23-31 at something like 8.5 million is smart business. It gets his almost his entire prime and no years of potential decline.

You’re not answering why a team like Seattle would blow out their cap structure for Mo Seider. He’s not a finished product, plug and play #1, Norris D. He’s really good. But he’s simply not a Cale Makar special type of player on the back end.

You’re Seattle and you go that hard on Seider… what does Matty Beniers demand? You’re also then attempting to fill 7 spots with 11m with a couple big future deals coming up and no big relief for the foreseeable future.

It’s simply a horrific value proposition for constructing their roster. That’s why teams so very rarely do them.

 

[dj4aces]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807601681057948067

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

No chance maata or holl are on this team come season start. Petry might be but he is gonna be an off and on press box sitter. I have a feeling fabbri won’t be either, waived and picked up by San Jose. That should free up a good chunk of space. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Stamkos, trouba, and roy all red wings by the weeks end. With Danielson, kasper and mazur all getting significant time with the team this season.

 

[RabidBadger]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807635028114829597

Actually Frank, I think you can rule out a push by Tampa to retain Stammer. They've given him a couple major "FUs" this off-season.

 

[Peter Tosh]

This is what I'm daydreaming of right now (while working):

 

[Ricelund]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807738802699485421

Bertuzzi joining AA and Mrazek in Chicago. Mantha next?

 

[Peter Tosh]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807738802699485421

Bertuzzi joining AA and Mrazek in Chicago. Mantha next?

Only NYR and MTL left for him to become a full O6 journeyman

 

[SantosHalper]

ASP+Cossa/Augustine for Askarov doesn't add up me at all. ASP was drafted because he was a player we didn't have in the system and after the a very good season, Wings would trade him for a goalie prospect? Good goalie prospect but so is Cossa, i don't how to evaluate goalies so this purely stat watching but Askarov's 1st full AHL season numbers are almost exactly the same as Cossa's.

Askarov 48 gp, 26-16-5 record, 2.69 GAA, .911 SV%, 3 SO and in playoffs 12 gp, 6-6 record, 2.70 GAA, .903 SV%
Cossa 40 gp, 22-9-9 record, 2.41 GAA, .913 SV%, 2 SO and in playoffs 9 gp, 5-4 record, 2.72 GAA, .900 SV%

Goalies are hard to predict and Askarov is still unproven in NHL and to give ASP in this trade as well, this sounds very negative trade for us.

 

[DatsDeking]

GAMEDAY BOYS!!

Talk to you all soon!

 

[jkutswings]

ASP+Cossa/Augustine for Askarov doesn't add up me at all. ASP was drafted because he was a player we didn't have in the system and after the a very good season, Wings would trade him for a goalie prospect? Good goalie prospect but so is Cossa, i don't how to evaluate goalies so this purely stat watching but Askarov's 1st full AHL season numbers are almost exactly the same as Cossa's.

Askarov 48 gp, 26-16-5 record, 2.69 GAA, .911 SV%, 3 SO and in playoffs 12 gp, 6-6 record, 2.70 GAA, .903 SV%
Cossa 40 gp, 22-9-9 record, 2.41 GAA, .913 SV%, 2 SO and in playoffs 9 gp, 5-4 record, 2.72 GAA, .900 SV%

Goalies are hard to predict and Askarov is still unproven in NHL and to give ASP in this trade as well, this sounds very negative trade for us.

Yeah, I'm not opposed to Detroit looking at Askarov, but I don't know that I'd be willing to part with the assets it would take if there are several bidders. Nashville could have all the picks they want, but I'm not dealing any of ASP / Danielson / Cossa, and I'd be very hesitant to include either of Augustine or Kasper.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Yeah, I'm not opposed to Detroit looking at Askarov, but I don't know that I'd be willing to part with the assets it would take if there are several bidders. Nashville could have all the picks they want, but I'm not dealing any of ASP / Danielson / Cossa, and I'd be very hesitant to include either of Augustine or Kasper.

No way we coukd land Askarov w/o moving a goalie back

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

No way we coukd land Askarov w/o moving a goalie back

Agreed, but I sure as f*** don't wanna hand over ASP to get him.